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PMush Perfect posted:Somber has conflicting scum/town reports, though. Do we wanna dunk Somber so we know whose cop is more likely to be legit? Weasel wording & Wishy-washy 😔 ##vote Pmush
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Look, I just want to nail down the cop types here. We have a person with two different people giving two different reads. In the end, when they flip it gives us some reads to build off of. With the info we have I want to narrow it down.
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Sep 9, 2020 22:45
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is science tastic always like this or mafia snooze doesn't know them
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Sep 9, 2020 22:45
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sandnavyguy posted:I’m down to calibrate. Scientastic posted:Dont know why I find SNG’s vote scummier than pMush’s, I just do It displays less original thought, so Pmush's vote might seem more genuine 🤷♂️ I have a better gut feeling about Pmush as scum though .
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Sep 9, 2020 22:48
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Snooze Cruise posted:is science tastic always like this or mafia snooze doesn't know them I am guessing your point relates to something in the presentation of Scientastic's arguments, would you expand on that❓
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Sep 9, 2020 22:50
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sandnavyguy posted:Look, I just want to nail down the cop types here. We have a person with two different people giving two different reads. In the end, when they flip it gives us some reads to build off of. With the info we have I want to narrow it down. Assuming two scum players, you’re advocating executing a player to test the accuracy of a cop claim If Somber is scum, great, but we can’t trust the accuracy of the cop results If Somber is town, that would be EXLO tomorrow and we still can’t trust the accuracy of the cop results Testing the claims is not a good reason for executing anyone If you think Somber is scum, fine, but don’t paint it as the logical solution to a puzzle, because it’s not
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Sep 9, 2020 22:53
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If the crux of anyone’s argument is a cop claim, that argument is completely worthless based on what we have seen so far
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Sep 9, 2020 22:54
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Scientastic posted:Assuming two scum players, you’re advocating executing a player to test the accuracy of a cop claim I'll go ahead and be dull in pointing out that this presumes two Scumbs, which is not a given 🙃
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Sep 9, 2020 22:55
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Surely a safe assumption? One scum is not a game of mafia, and three scum is one misexecution and the game’s over, it’s got to be two.
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Sep 9, 2020 22:57
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I can't tell if Sci just isn't seeing the value in one of them being proven legit wrong and one of them being much more credible, or if he's being actively disingenuous. If we ignore all cop results, what we've got is (probably) a 7/2 all vanilla game, which is pretty strongly scum-biased.
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Sep 9, 2020 23:00
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Snooze Cruise posted:is science tastic always like this or mafia snooze doesn't know them Always like what? Apocalyptic?
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Sep 9, 2020 23:01
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Scientastic posted:Surely a safe assumption? One scum is not a game of mafia, and three scum is one misexecution and the game’s over, it’s got to be two. Likely, but an assumption nevertheless friend 🙂 This isn't exactly a standard game so far. Just want it noted before we travel too far down this proverbial garden path.
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Sep 9, 2020 23:03
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Somberbrero posted:Likely, but an assumption nevertheless friend 🙂 This isn't exactly a standard game so far. Just want it noted before we travel too far down this proverbial garden path. Point taken Nonetheless, I think it is very risky to try to solve the game on D1
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Sep 9, 2020 23:04
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PMush Perfect posted:I can't tell if Sci just isn't seeing the value in one of them being proven legit wrong and one of them being much more credible, or if he's being actively disingenuous. If we ignore all cop results, what we've got is (probably) a 7/2 all vanilla game, which is pretty strongly scum-biased. So tell me, what happens when we have one who is wrong and one who is right? What do scum do that night? What have we gained? I am going to work on the assumption that some cops return town results on everyone, some return scum results in everyone, some return random results and some return the opposite result Hell, it could even be that Bif has a dice roll for each of us and none of us are actually cops, we just think we are I am proposing that we play a game of mafia, where you try to deduce who is in the informed minority from their actions and words. You are proposing that we try to solve the game like a logic puzzle.
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Sep 9, 2020 23:08
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Somberbrero posted:I am guessing your point relates to something in the presentation of Scientastic's arguments, would you expand on that❓ snooze will make a lot of posts and be train of thoughty but the way they do it feels alsmot... planned?!/1/1/q z[iojg r
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Sep 9, 2020 23:08
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PMush Perfect posted:I can't tell if Sci just isn't seeing the value in one of them being proven legit wrong and one of them being much more credible, or if he's being actively disingenuous. If we ignore all cop results, what we've got is (probably) a 7/2 all vanilla game, which is pretty strongly scum-biased. You are trying to solve the game d1 based on a very silly mass claim. Better to play to reads rather than early setup guesses, no? 🕵️ Disingenuous Count: 1
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Sep 9, 2020 23:09
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Somberbrero posted:You are trying to solve the game d1 based on a very silly mass claim. Better to play to reads rather than early setup guesses, no? Who is this mysterious Count?!
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Sep 9, 2020 23:11
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Snooze Cruise posted:snooze will make a lot of posts and be train of thoughty but the way they do it feels alsmot... planned?!/1/1/q z[iojg r I don’t agree with the conclusion, obviously, but this is what we should be doing: actually playing mafia by reading people’s posts and stating our feelings about their alignment based on that reading
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Sep 9, 2020 23:12
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Snooze Cruise posted:snooze will make a lot of posts and be train of thoughty but the way they do it feels alsmot... planned?!/1/1/q z[iojg r Oh then yah 😃
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Sep 9, 2020 23:12
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Scientastic posted:I don’t agree with the conclusion, obviously, but this is what we should be doing: actually playing mafia by reading people’s posts and stating our feelings about their alignment based on that reading im glad we both understand how to play game, oftentimes mafia players don't even know that... u r wise
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Sep 9, 2020 23:14
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Snooze Cruise posted:snooze will make a lot of posts and be train of thoughty but the way they do it feels alsmot... planned?!/1/1/q z[iojg r And that’s just my natural intelligence and erudition you’re seeing, I never plan Also, I have to post in big bursts, because I am never awake at the same time as the rest of the game
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Sep 9, 2020 23:15
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And it is way past my bedtime right now, so I will bid you all goodnight, don’t turbo anyone while I’m asleep
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Sep 9, 2020 23:16
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i kinda want to kill you for saying natural intellgience
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Sep 9, 2020 23:18
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Let's put this another way. If we can't trust investigation results, then this is basically D1, and the dunk is going to be completely spurious anyways. But if we can trust them, then we should! Either way, we have nothing to lose by making a D1 flip that gives us information. Some of that information might just be "how everyone reacted to the idea, in retrospect with a flip."
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Sep 9, 2020 23:20
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Scientastic posted:And it is way past my bedtime right now, so I will bid you all goodnight, don’t turbo anyone while I’m asleep
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Sep 9, 2020 23:21
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PMush Perfect posted:Let's put this another way. If we can't trust investigation results, then this is basically D1, and the dunk is going to be completely spurious anyways. But if we can trust them, then we should! Either way, we have nothing to lose by making a D1 flip that gives us information. Some of that information might just be "how everyone reacted to the idea, in retrospect with a flip." I like the part where we infer things based on how people react to discussion topics 😃 I don't like the part where we write off today and just try to gather information rather than lunch a member of the Scumb Team 😟 'If we can trust them, then we should' is very good though 👏
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Sep 9, 2020 23:45
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MAINFRAME - Tiles on the cube are still smouldering, casting the framework in a soft glow. Virescent PLAY and PRINT keys shine on the keyboard. YOU - Press PLAY again. Votecount for Day 1   Somberbrero (3): Snooze Cruise, PMush Perfect, sandnavyguy sandnavyguy (2): DGK2000, Scientastic PMush Perfect (2): dmboogie, Scientastic, Snooze Cruise (0): sandnavyguy, dmboogie (0): PMush Perfect, DGK2000 (0): Scientastic, Not Voting (0):  LOGIC [Trivial: Success] With 7 alive, it takes 4 votes to execute. ENCYCLOPEDIA [Medium: Success] The current deadline is September 11th, 2020 at 2 a.m. AEST -- that's in about 16 hours, 48 minutes.##unvote Somber's at -1. I'll probably be putting my vote back down before the end of tonight, but I wanna hear what everyone has to say first. Boogie and DGK have been pretty quiet.
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Sep 10, 2020 00:12
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I can't believe I almost get lunched today 🥺
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Sep 10, 2020 00:19
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uhhhhh lemme think possibilities: myself: sane, naive, insane snooze: sane, paranoid, insane if somber is scum, that means: myself: naive, insane snooze: sane, paranoid if somber is town, that means: myself: naive, sane snooze: paranoid, insane killing somber here will check off one possibility for two people basically and im not sure if thats the best to go all-in on for a 7-person game
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Sep 10, 2020 00:25
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i mean if we're approaching the game as a logic puzzle somber flip objectively gives us the most information but i dunno SNG's vote there looks kind of like a quiet bandwagon using the "logic puzzle" as an easy justification
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Sep 10, 2020 00:26
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dmboogie posted:uhhhhh lemme think Or Snoozington Cruisington is not only a member of the Mafia, but in fact the Godfather of the organization 😱 There are more possibilities there that we could be unaware of at this point too. Let me ask everyone this, and I would like everyone to please do me a biiiiiiig favor in their answering by simply responding yes 👍 or no 👎 Do you think it would be good design, generally speaking, to give a member of the Town a valid 𝙽𝚒𝚐𝚑𝚝 𝚉𝚎𝚛𝚘 investigation power?
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Sep 10, 2020 00:37
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Somberbrero posted:Do you think it would be good design, generally speaking, to give a member of the Town a valid 𝙽𝚒𝚐𝚑𝚝 𝚉𝚎𝚛𝚘 investigation power?
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Sep 10, 2020 00:42
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Somberbrero posted:Do you think it would be good design, generally speaking, to give a member of the Town a valid 𝙽𝚒𝚐𝚑𝚝 𝚉𝚎𝚛𝚘 investigation power? 
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It’s not a bandwagon so much as trying to puzzle it out. There are between 4-6 of us, likely all cops, how many cop types are their? Makes sense to have one of each Or maybe 2 sane. So I’d rather try To narrow it down some how, and It’s not being disingenuous to say that in a vacuum, a somber flip has more opportunities for information to be given than random chance since we have two given results on them. Which at this point if we instead do as requested and ignore our cop claims, swings this drastically to scums benefit. Which I don’t like.
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Sep 10, 2020 00:56
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Ftfy 🤡
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Sep 10, 2020 01:24
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sandnavyguy posted:It’s not a bandwagon so much as trying to puzzle it out. There are between 4-6 of us, likely all cops, how many cop types are their? Makes sense to have one of each Or maybe 2 sane. So I’d rather try To narrow it down some how, and It’s not being disingenuous to say that in a vacuum, a somber flip has more opportunities for information to be given than random chance since we have two given results on them. Which at this point if we instead do as requested and ignore our cop claims, swings this drastically to scums benefit. Which I don’t like. Hello Sandnavy! I think you missed my question because you didn't answer it 🙂 Why would at lunch someone at random instead of making an informed decision based off our discussion?
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Sep 10, 2020 01:27
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We ARE having an informed discussion. If you have any better ideas, Somber, give us them! Provide an alternative besides just OMGUSing at me.
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Sep 10, 2020 01:31
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PMush Perfect posted:Provide an alternative besides just OMGUSing at me. I feel comfortable that your Town game is substantially better than to say this. I have been contributing faithfully to the conversation and characterising my vote as reactionary in no way addresses the point. You very clearly try to mitigate culpability to avoid a strong association with my execution at least twice in the post where you voted for me 😑 As I know that I am Town, I know the investigation is useless. When the likely scenario is that we have two plays before we lose, it seems very silly to waste one of those plays when I already know the answer. You already have one investigation with a Scumb result. The result is direct from the moderator. The other Scumb result comes with a conflicting Town result as well. The Scumb result comes from a player, and so you personally cannot speak to its authenticity at this point. If you believe the investigations have value, it seems obvious you would pick the former. As far as using my flip to determine additional setup information, Scientastic posted:And the idea that we will learn anything about the game that we don’t already know is bollocks and a bad reason to vote for someone For the record, I have a strong Town read on Dmboogie as the post in which they worked through different possibilities felt very genuine 🙂
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Sep 10, 2020 01:53
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Well, now I'm also comfortable with voting you because you're talking out of both sides of your mouth.
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PMush Perfect posted:Well, now I'm also comfortable with voting you because you're talking out of both sides of your mouth. PMush Perfect posted:Provide an alternative besides just OMGUSing at me. 🤡
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