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NotJustANumber99 posted:i dunno why were so keen to make a thing out of some nobody? like just stop reading her tweets. Because it’s really funny when she gets loving owned
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Yeah I guess. Its just she just rolls with the punches and we are wondering if shes going to get really lucrative columns in the daily mail etc. I dunno
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If the labour party is in a position where it is useful to left wing objectives in the future, it can have my money and time again. The extraparliamentary left (and ww2) created the conditions for the NHS and welfare state, and the Labour party of the time was the parliamentary arm of that power, not the other way round. Roundly accusing people who've given time and money to this party of working against socialism isn't helpful, and defending it outs you as clueless. I scurried around the country in a van all of 2019 for the LP and got nothing but burnout. I've done the same this year for a union and we're going to see an industry-first unionised workplace appear by end of december. It loving owns to spend time showing people what they need to do to empower themselves and watching them immediately kick their employers teeth in. Even the very best of the labour party, people anyone on the left can defend as comrades, can't say more at the moment than "we showed up to help Acorn". Just donate your resources to Acorn instead - this labour party doesn't need or want you. As someone that stayed for the NEC elections I'm still no more enlightened as to what power this can give us and how it helps. If it's not a choice, if you're going to stay anyway, great. Let us know when there's a fight to show up to.
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In the manner that a cheese rolls with the punches on its way down the hill, I suppose.
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OwlFancier posted:In the manner that a cheese rolls with the punches on its way down the hill, I suppose. update your avatar with ms weetman imho
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I feel like that might kill some posters in the thread and that seems unfair.
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Angepain posted:liz truss so useless even Tories can see it Crispin Blunt seems to be the Kate Hoey of the Tory party. As in his wikipedia page describes him supporting things openly that make no sense given his party affiliation. The comparison ends there; he even managed to survive his local Tory party trying to deselect him for being gay. I'm sure he has many other terrible opinions but it seems like he'd probably be around somewhere in the centre of the PLP tbh.
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Vitamin P posted:Good luck on not giving money to bastards presumably you won't be spending any money at supermarkets, and btw fine "I want to just enjoy life that's my priority" is fine but it's landlord as gently caress and isnt a critique against other people actually having a moral conscience. Why isn't enjoying life fine? It is up to them. I'm 48 years old. I got arrested at the poll tax riots for breach of the peace. I have been tear gassed, beaten by coppers and chased round more towns in europe and the uk than I care to remember. I had a bottle wacked over my head by the BNP. I like to to think I have earned a quiet life. If there was a demo in my town for a cause I believed in I might take my boy. I think your criticism may be too harsh.
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I also buy the cheapest food from the cheapest super market with no thought to share prices or any other ethical concerns. It is called having a family.
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OwlFancier posted:I feel like that might kill some posters in the thread and that seems unfair. ThomasPaine dead from priapism
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I'm upset and distressed by constantly reading her tweets. E: not really. Thread moved, she's just such a boring troll. Also I shall vote in the NEC elections then kier can gently caress off and earn my money. If miraculously he turns around in a few years and has a decent set of policies sure. Until then, gently caress off, the money is going to my local animal shelter.
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Sanitary Naptime posted:ThomasPaine dead from priapism Julio Cruz dead from aneurysm.
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Yeah it's not actually that hard for Keir to turn things around. He doesn't need to go after the megacorps or defund the police. He just needs to stick up for the poor and protect the NHS. Basic poo poo that has support over a very wide political spectrum. But he can't manage it. I don't think he's personally to the right of Blair but he sure likes acting like it. I don't really understand what he's doing. I can't figure out he's a big poo poo and actually is the second coming of Blair or he's trying some weird long con where he gets the press back on side by being pally with them and supporting center right poo poo for political capital only he's really incompetent and it's not going to work. They fact he went after all the remaining socialists in the cabinet on his own initiative does not bode well. He has the press at least nominally onside. He didn't need to shank RLB. Love to know what the gently caress masterplan he thinks he's following. Regarde Aduck fucked around with this message at 01:36 on Sep 25, 2020 |
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I'm going to go with king cop keir starmer actually is to the right of blair.
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Blair supposedly started as left wing once upon a time, so either people change or some people just want power. But I see no reason to assume he is anything other than what he appears to be.
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Spangly A posted:you've not done or achieved anything so go easy on the shade We just managed to pass the entire left NEC slate in my not very left-wing CLP (it backed Starmer), so I’m actually feeling pretty good about things tonight actually.
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Comrade Fakename posted:Maybe you'll finally achieve your dream of not a single socialist in parliament soon! Yes, this is what I want, you are very wise. Socialism within the Labour isn't viable. If you think it is I can only say I deeply envy your ability to sleep through the past 5 years, wish I had but instead I saw 5 joyous years of the first socialist Labour Party leader since Michael Foot, with a huge mandate from the membership get continually sabotaged by the PLP and by party headquarters. You can read about it, I recommend getting caught up, and then you can come back and still insist there's any loving life in a Labour Party that is full of people in important roles who would rather see the Tories get 5 more years than Labour lead by someone who would overturn 4 and a half decades of neoliberal hell that they are all so wedded to. A new left wing party that doesn't come with financial backing of at least some of the bigger trade unions and with a presence in Westminster is a waste of time, we've been there a dozen times. But one with union support and the SCG MPs would be considerably harder to ignore. And then you can build something maybe. Of course it won't happen because too many of the older generation are emotionally connected to a party that doesn't return their sentiments, doesn't want them but they are too attached to notice. So it'll not happen but that's no excuse for anyone without decades of emotional attachment that hasn't been socialist in our lifetimes.
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Comrade Fakename posted:We just managed to pass the entire left NEC slate in my not very left-wing CLP (it backed Starmer), so I’m actually feeling pretty good about things tonight actually. Nice I'm sure your CLP will be doing big things now
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The track and trace app is up to £12m now or apparently £400 a person in cost now.
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Comrade Fakename posted:We just managed to pass the entire left NEC slate in my not very left-wing CLP (it backed Starmer), so I’m actually feeling pretty good about things tonight actually. genuine congratulations, I'm not even sure who the local clp officers are anymore and the new acting sec clarified who he was after he sent a mass email as acting sec to tell us the nec nominations zoom call was cancelled so why bother insinuating someone quitting this shitshow of a party, after it sacked leftists for being anti-torture, is working to "achieve zero socialist mps"? not all of us are seeing any return on time or money here.
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I also do not wish to trample your euphoria but I am still not sure what voting for a left NEC slate will do given the arithmetic involved.
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Oh good, the thread is still 90% people who left Labour and people who didn't sniping at each other.
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The problem with Tweetman IMO is not just that she’s always so aggressively and annoyingly stupid but that every time a tweet gets posted it reinforces this modern truth that morons owning themselves get signal boosted over almost everything else. So the dumbest morons get the most profitable gigs with the biggest audiences where the most people can laugh at them, but where a few people will agree with them and either vote for them or spawn off into their own hot take careers like Gremlins getting wet. I just don’t understand how people can recognise on the one hand that world-class shits like Johnson and Trump got started via TV shows where mocking their idiocy was at least half the point but not also recognise that spending hours boosting lovely tweets is helping to sift for the next generation of even worse people.
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jabby posted:Oh good, the thread is still 90% people who left Labour and people who didn't sniping at each other. What are the other 10% of posts abou... TACD posted:The problem with Tweetman IMO oh never mind I found them.
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MrL_JaKiri posted:Don't do this. It hurts your battery life rather than helps it. Hey I'm glad you're still alive Jakiri. Don't post feetman, everyone. People who stay in the Labour party are welcome to do so if they want, even if others think it'll never help. Also people can do more than one thing. I personally think small protests never change anything either, but I'm not gonna knock people for going to/organising them for good causes.
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jabby posted:Oh good, the thread is still 90% people who left Labour and people who didn't sniping at each other. Nah it's just the past couple of pages due to Keir being extra poo poo.
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TACD posted:The problem with Tweetman IMO is not just that she’s always so aggressively and annoyingly stupid but that every time a tweet gets posted it reinforces this modern truth that morons owning themselves get signal boosted over almost everything else. So the dumbest morons get the most profitable gigs with the biggest audiences where the most people can laugh at them, but where a few people will agree with them and either vote for them or spawn off into their own hot take careers like Gremlins getting wet. It's fun to laugh at the moron, dude
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Yeah but he's still in office.
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Tweetman is a diarrhea person imo
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Loonytoad Quack posted:Everyone can claim heating and electricity contribution for working from home, the 2020/21 rate is £6/week without any documentary proof needed. Martin Lewis did a big write up about it here a while back: Lungboy posted:There's also the warm home discount scheme. Thanks for that, appreciated
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jabby posted:Oh good, the thread is still 90% people who left Labour and people who didn't sniping at each other. This would be resolved by everyone leaving the Labour Party 
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Fumble posted:The track and trace app is up to £12m now or apparently £400 a person in cost now. A small price to pay to keep us all healt quote:Government data collected since mid-June shows that only 11 per cent of people told to self-isolate by Covid-19 contact tracers actually do so for the full 14-day period. Although the Department of Health and Social Care (DHSC) has been aware of the survey data for months, it was only made public in the form of a non-peer-reviewed academic paper published online on September 18. https://www.wired.co.uk/article/nhs-test-trace-isolate-data Oh, nevermind.
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I've a simple rule of thumb for when I'll leave labour: I'll do it when corbyn does (hmm.. I wonder if all the people leaving labour think that corbyn and Abbott should also leave Labour)
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forkboy84 posted:Yes, this is what I want, you are very wise. Socialism within the Labour isn't viable. If you think it is I can only say I deeply envy your ability to sleep through the past 5 years, wish I had but instead I saw 5 joyous years of the first socialist Labour Party leader since Michael Foot, with a huge mandate from the membership get continually sabotaged by the PLP and by party headquarters. You can read about it, I recommend getting caught up, and then you can come back and still insist there's any loving life in a Labour Party that is full of people in important roles who would rather see the Tories get 5 more years than Labour lead by someone who would overturn 4 and a half decades of neoliberal hell that they are all so wedded to. We just recently went over this. You admitted that all a new left-wing can really do is influence Labour, but how do you expect that to happen if there aren’t any left-wingers left in Labour? UKIP succeeded in influencing the Tories because swathes of their members and supporters were very sympathetic to UKIP’s positions. If, as you’ve repeatedly demanded, all true socialists abandoned the irretrievable rotting corpse of the Labour Party, the only direction the party will turn is right. And all that’s putting aside the fact that you’ve also repeatedly said that electoral politics is pointless and decadent somehow, so why are you even talking about a new electoral party anyway? You know what? Generally, I live and let live when people say they’re leaving Labour on here. I’ve made my position pretty clear, though, yeah, I just recently mentioned that I wish people would wait until after the NEC election (which I said because my experience with my CLP last night showed that with solidarity, we can get some stuff done). But invariably, almost every single time anyone mentions being in the Labour Party for any reason, you’re immediately there to inform them that actually they’re idiots and even outright bad people for trying to influence what is the only remotely viable path for socialism in this country anyone in the thread has suggested. So yeah, I’m getting pretty sick of it.
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