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hell astro course posted:So, I could be way off here, but is it like, because people made it for free, then they try to make money off of it, it doesn't function well in corporate environments, because it isn't easily exploited that way? Or am I way off The way it works in corporate environments a lot of the time is they are specialized distributions of Linux that come with a bunch of proprietary software/addons you're actually paying for. You could install it without the proprietary stuff, which would be free, but it's basically useless if you do that. Then the vendor makes money on supporting the stuff you're actually paying for.
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The Kernel: Its just software, but its the bit that actually sits closest to the computer hardware and decides whether to let the mp3 player software write sounds to the sound card or to let the web page make a “boop” sound instead. It basically is an rear end in a top hat traffic cop letting the bits of software you actually want to run go or not based on what they are trying to do. Its the bit that is supposed to prevent the web browser while youre on donkeyporn.info from reading your spreadsheet file with all your bank passwords in it. Its the bit thats supposed to keep one program from screwing with another one. Its also supposed to try to make sure all the running programs get a shot at doing their thing , so one crap flash animation on a page does not lock up the entire machine making you have to reboot. Notice i keep saying supposed to. The kernel is probably the least bad part of any given linux flavor. Its also the part that has no user interface at all aside from printing status messages as the machine boots. This is not a coincidence.
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Fortis posted:The way it works in corporate environments a lot of the time is they are specialized distributions of Linux that come with a bunch of proprietary software/addons you're actually paying for. You could install it without the proprietary stuff, which would be free, but it's basically useless if you do that. Then the vendor makes money on supporting the stuff you're actually paying for. so it's some kind of money cabal.... I'm seeing
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I would suggest Installing Linux Mint on a USB drive. It's very easy to do and you can run it off the USB just to try it out. Linux Mint is a lot like Windows except it might not support some of the programs/games you use. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DO3iCSqRaTQ https://www.linuxmint.com https://rufus.ie
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hell astro course posted:So, I could be way off here, but is it like, because people made it for free, then they try to make money off of it, it doesn't function well in corporate environments, because it isn't easily exploited that way? Or am I way off More like, it is not really designed top to bottom cohesively by anyone at all. It just kinda congeals periodically like a gross mix of random parts swirling in jello. There are hundreds to thousands of components that make a linux os. Each one ruled by its own petty tyrant Open Source project leadership. Each one with their own standards and philosophies. Whats the list of ethernet interfaces? “ ip link “ Whats the list of virtual disk devices? “ lvs “ Whats the list of files in this directory? “ ls “ There is no commonality across anything. You have to learn each piece in isolation because your understanding of how component X works will give you no insight into Y
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Thats the BSD guy. BSD is not linux, but you wouldnt really know by looking at it for 5 minutes unless you already knew the differences. Its better in terms of the cohesive design stuff i mentioned, but worse in terms of raw functionality. The linuxes have a lot more software to pick from than the BSDs do.
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It has its place as a functional free alternative to windows and Mac if you just need to do basic stuff on it. Given that it supports old floppy drives and a lot of basic hardware it's good that it exists. Like if only to recover old drives from bootable USB drives Word processing? You betcha! Emails? Sure YouTube? Fine Basic video editing? Yeeh okayy Games? Hmmm What you want to do increases linearly with use The difficulty curve of doing anything increases as the square, Often in ways that are understandable but totally counter to what you expect with Linux nerds love Linux so it's rare to get an installer program with anything so I hope you like command line and learning what a tar file is(inb4 it's easy) Given that that the vast majority of people will put a USB cable into an ethernet port this difficulty is non trivial and a significant roadblock to it's widespread adoption Linux : you can get it to work if you really want to
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Also: normal people dont talk about linux. Be careful here. You are in danger of possibly becoming a linux person.
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fresh_cheese posted:Thats the BSD guy. BSD is not linux, but you wouldnt really know by looking at it for 5 minutes unless you already knew the differences. he looks cool
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fresh_cheese posted:Also: normal people dont talk about linux. The 14th Dalai Lama told me that if I ponder the emptiness of all things, I can obtain enlightenment. So I will just do that before I become a linux person
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hell astro course posted:he looks cool He is cool. One of the cool parts about the BSD people is they actually write documentation for their stuff. And as computer crap documentation goes its actually useful and good. Linux people dont really write documentation. Redhat does. Suse does. The rest kinda just put up a wiki and let everybody have at it to write it themselves.
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hell astro course posted:The 14th Dalai Lama told me that if I ponder the emptiness of all things, I can obtain enlightenment. So I will just do that before I become a linux person Once one is enlightened, one would not need such thoughtless things as computer
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fresh_cheese posted:He is cool. One of the cool parts about the BSD people is they actually write documentation for their stuff. And as computer crap documentation goes its actually useful and good. so that is why they are angelic devils?
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hell astro course posted:so that is why they are angelic devils? Yep
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fresh_cheese posted:Once one is enlightened, one would not need such thoughtless things as computer thoughtlessness is a path that can free one from samsara... at least I think so. I dunno... nothing wrong with computer, just wondering idea of computer metaphysically
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hell astro course posted:thoughtlessness is a path that can free one from samsara... at least I think so. I dunno... nothing wrong with computer, just wondering idea of computer metaphysically You are a computer, metaphysically speaking. You have been programmed by society to fulfill societies needs. You can become enlightened by replacing that programming with new programming of your own creation.
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fresh_cheese posted:You are a computer, metaphysically speaking. You have been programmed by society to fulfill societies needs. You can become enlightened by replacing that programming with new programming of your own creation. nah. this is just computer guy thinking. it's like using baseball metaphors. no thanks to this one.
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fresh_cheese posted:More like, it is not really designed top to bottom cohesively by anyone at all. It just kinda congeals periodically like a gross mix of random parts swirling in jello. This is kinda silly if it's intended as a criticism in the context of this thread. You don't have to use any of those commands or even open a terminal if you install a regular linux distribution for regular users. It comes with a file manager, a control panel where you can mess with your network devices (which you won't actually have to do because the defaults will work), and it doesn't make any difference what kind of virtual partitions the OS installer used to mount your drives. This would be like if I said Windows is impossible to understand because you have to open CMD.EXE and type "dir" to see a list of files or type "ipconfig" to see your IP address or navigate the labyrinthian nightmare known as the Windows Control Panel to find the partition manager or assign drive letters to devices. Normal people just double click the computer icon on the desktop to find something, and their network devices just work automatically, other than having to login to the wifi network when the little icon at the top or bottom right prompts them to. In any of the major consumer desktop OSes. Even if your argument is just about the non-standardized nature of the underlying tools in the low-level guts of a linux system, rather than the actual user experience, what is your counter-example? It certainly can't be the Windows command line or control panel menus. Those are every bit as messy, haphazard, and inscrutable as Linux's equivalents.
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hell astro course posted:nah. this is just computer guy thinking. it's like using baseball metaphors. no thanks to this one. Yeah that was a stretch sry
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Bad Purchase posted:This is kinda silly if it's intended as a criticism in the context of this thread. to be fair i know alot of elite power user linux commands but the only one i use once i realise im logged into a linux machine is "shutdown now"
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oh word?
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nah today it's more like echo "1 * * * * shutdown now" >> /etc/crontab so it's efficiently automated
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have you tried linux yet, op? you should, it's really great
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lol crontab, get with the times you use systemd timers nowadays
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Tankakern posted:have you tried linux yet, op? what would be the funnest linux to use to be cool?
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cron just keeps loving up tho so the pirated windows 7 install hasn't been able to shine it's glorious light in this decadent world
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hell astro course posted:what would be the funnest linux to use to be cool? cool? gentoo of course but usable, i'd go for fedora, despite the name
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Bad Purchase posted:
The same criticism applies to a linux ui , the design philosophy there comes from the window manager and at least sorta enforces some kind of design, but the implementation of menus, widgets, and control panels essentially makes the task of figuring out how to set a static IP on a network interface in some on screen status widget completely different from figuring out how to change the screen resolution. There is rarely any commonality to the two tasks at all. Maaaaybe they have adjacent icons in a control panel if youre lucky. And yes, windows is also crap about this since win8 and their table experience. One example of a coherent design? AIX Yeah its gross and wierd, but at least it is consistent. “ lseth “ , “ lslv” , “ ls “ I shall not discuss CDE.
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Tankakern posted:cool? gentoo of course can you give me a kind of abstract metaphor that would explain gentoo? This is the only way I can understand things.
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go for something gnome based if you have a small device/tablet type for an actual laptop or desktop, go for kde don't listen to anyone mentioning tiled window managers
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gentoo is a car that can rebuild itself while you're driving
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Tankakern posted:go for something gnome based if you have a small device/tablet type don't make me tap the sign, no idea what this computer guy stuff means
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it means you should go install kde spin of fedora, right now
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Tankakern posted:don't listen to anyone mentioning tiled window managers
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I have a linux machine dedicated for live audio production. On the good side, it's a godsend for latency issues as I can set the audio latency down to 20 ms, which means that a sound file will play 20 milliseconds after its received a command from a music instrument (pretty much a holy grail for real-time performance). On the mac it used to be 30 ms but it has crept up to 50-60 ms with bloat, and windows it can be anywhere from 70-200 ms, which means that there can be a 1/10th to 1/5th of a second delay and makes it impractical for live use. On the bad side, setting up JACK and Alsa audio drivers was pain and suffering for days on end. Almost after every software package update I would have error messages and files not being found that I had to search through so many forums and guides to find fixes and workarounds. Windows errors I was familiar with, but the linux errors are a different beast to contend with altgoether. I'm going to admit is probably not worth the effort and labour in the end. From experience, the only recommended use of a linux audio distro is to keep it offline and use only the tools that come pre-installed.
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lets talk about 'nix, baby lets talk about GNU and tee lets talk about all the good rings, and the bad pings that may be
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abigserve posted:lets talk about 'nix, baby
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Tankakern posted:lol crontab, get with the times right???? realtalk tho, apart from computer toucher needs the best selling point for linux right now is bringing old laptops back from the dead, the only non tech person who ever really asked me to get linux installed needed a piece of poo poo hand me down laptop for work, also my gf's 2011 vaio is now our dumb tv's media hub even if it sounds like a jet engine revving up when playing video that's too high res
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