Beeftweeter posted:

what do you mean by that? i'm probably not going to watch it and don't know much about the show

The Fool posted:

Archduke Frantz Fanon posted:

lmao that you can't spoiler a list

Archduke Frantz Fanon posted:

lmao that you can't spoiler a list

duz posted:

new season of lower decks is off to a good start

mystes posted:

what do you mean? isn't it working in that post?

mystes posted:

what do you mean? isn't it working in that post?

Shaggar posted:

more like boba fatt

Archduke Frantz Fanon posted:

yeah as fool said it doesn't work well

• look at this poo poo
  
• way to fukkin go radium
  
• thanks team barry
  
• though its either a css issue with the yoscode or a problem with vbulletin
  
• still gonna blame radium
  

The Fool posted:

the show has two main plot lines, there's the dumb and boring mob boss plot where fett is trying to take over jabba's old empire, and there's a flashback plot which could be recut and turned into a middling quality episode of the mandolorian

in episode 1 the flashback plot shows fett escaping from the sarlacc, getting his armor stolen by jawas so that timmy o can wear it, then getting captured by sand people

epsiode 2 is where it gets really good


* after fett rescues a kid from some four armed sand monster he is set free but hangs out and learns how to fight like sand people
* then there is a scene where a hover train drives by, with people on the train taking shots at the sand people, killing some
* this is immediately followed by fett running off to steal some speeder bikes
* which is then followed up by a nice training montage where fett teaches the sand people how to ride them
* the training montage leads directly into fett and the sand people attacking the train
* which ends with fett pontificating to the prisoners about how this is "tuskan territory" and they need to pay tribute


And if the above wasn't enough, the whole thing is capped off with the chieftan thanking fett by sending him on a vision quest, then inducting him into the tribe

AnimeIsTrash posted:

is that pikachu?

Beeftweeter posted:

that's a moopsy. it's in a menagerie

Agile Vector posted:

that episode was so good i might rewatch it tonight

mystes posted:

No, it's Wooper

Mr. Crow posted:

c tv s: watching the great, which it is

Beeftweeter posted:

they were both pretty good. the premiere with all of the voyager references (and i didn't look at the credits, but i'm pretty sure ethan phillips, neelix, was the voyager museum curator) was really pretty decent too, even if you don't like voyager. they struck a good balance between making GBS threads on it and being respectful of it

qirex posted:

it's funny to me that voyager was The Worst Trek Everybody Hated, then every subsequent effort up until lower decks/strange new worlds was so much worse

Sagacity posted:

the most annoying thing about voyager is that there never seemed to be any consequences for stuff they did

there was absolutely zero effort to make it seem they were really stranded

Beeftweeter posted:

phew. i was bumping up against the character limit so i didn't even get into voyager itself not deteriorating during their journey lol. but regardless it's a bad show that had a lot of potential. very disappointing

Beeftweeter posted:

sagacity is absolutely right

Sagacity posted:

my main takeaway from your essay

Beeftweeter posted:

voyager's premise is really good, yeah. christ this is gonna be long, i don't have a lot to do today, am on amphetamines and have a lot to say about it lol

for the uninitiated: voyager was launched by an extremely powerful alien entity extremely far away, into a part of the galaxy trek calls the delta quadrant. all of the species that had appeared on star trek until DS9, like humans, vulcans, klingons, romulans, ferengi, etc. were either in the alpha or beta quadrants. like, since it's a tv show and our protagonists are mostly humans, earth is said to be in sector 001 of the alpha quadrant, and the vulcans and klingons are said to be in the beta quadrant.

regardless, it's not really relevant unless you're talking about voyager or DS9, since they are the only series that really deal with anything beyond that. the bajoran wormhole in DS9 leads to the gamma quadrant, which is said to be similarly unexplored, for the same reason: despite having warp drive, the galaxy is extremely big and they are very far away; from either the delta or gamma quadrants, at maximum warp, it'd take over 70 years to get back. incidentally, that's partially why the bajoran wormhole is so important in DS9.

so this happened while voyager was on a mission to round up radical federation separatists — mostly former starfleet officers — that had previously appeared in TNG and DS9; they are called the maquis. once this happens, voyager's mission changes to simply returning home to the alpha quadrant. there is some tension in the early episodes related to the maquis. because they are stranded, the starfleet officers on voyager must learn to live with people that, by definition as rebellious separatists, have rejected their ideals and everything that the federation stands for. and it's not only that — voyager was damaged during their encounter with the entity that transports them to the delta quadrant — so a lot of the starfleet crew died, and since these maquis are mostly former starfleet, they become integrated into the crew.

but they basically do nothing with this premise. one of these maquis, chakotay, becomes the first officer of voyager. but he's also practically a non-entity: unless the episode is about frankly offensive and simplistic native american stereotypes, he doesn't really do much. he practically never disagrees with the captain, janeway. the others also fill other important roles, like the chief engineer, but after the first couple of episodes there is practically no mention of them being maquis; they're all subservient, and they all get along in a very TNG-esque buddy-buddy kind of way.

there isn't even any of the tension you see in DS9 with the bajorans resenting what they see as pseudocolonial federation interference in their lives. on that series, which is vastly superior, the federation has control of the station and are lending them assistance in rebuilding their world, which had just been occupied by the cardassians, a major power in the quadrant, for five decades. so the bajorans are rightfully skeptical of another power coming in and telling them what's what, and it leads to significant tension throughout the series. but on voyager, they all just get along unless the plot demands that they don't, and even then, that only lasts for as long as the episode does.

so sagacity is absolutely right, they hit a reset button at the end of every episode — but it's worse than that. they don't really do much with the "stranded in the delta quadrant" premise either. part of the problem stems from the location itself: there's no vulcans to encounter, no klingons, none of the species that trek audiences are familiar with. so they needed to create new ones for voyager to discover as it travels back in the direction of the alpha quadrant, but the ones they came up with sucked, lol. their solution to this was to use the borg, because their backstory was not really fleshed out at all; they could've been all over the delta quadrant for all we know, so that's exactly what happened. and it was terrible. they ruined the borg by removing anything that made them mysterious. a former borg, 7 of 9, was even added to the loving crew! we now know too much about the borg to the point that it became Star Trek: The Borg Show. past that point they barely encounter any other species, and eventually, voyager uses borg technology to get home

rotor posted:

i disagree

Sagacity posted:

and why did kes have to leave

Cybernetic Vermin posted:

i feel like it misses out on such simple wins. stuff like the background bickering about quarters that would obviously become central the moment the ship goes from a work assignment to likely being what private space and housing you have for the rest of your natural life.