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speaking of ron moore, for all mankind is exquisitely watchable trash just total garbage I'm shoving into my brain as rapidly as possible (its an alt-history where the IRA successfully executed margaret thatcher. and some other differences.)
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I wanted Uluru to be an actual monster they would have to fight in Heroes but nah that was just a dumb metaphor
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RDM is much better without braga i think, but he still whiffs it pretty hard sometimes dude definitely knows how to spin a decent yarn but when he's in charge of the whole thing it usually gets kinda bad. probably because there's nobody to restrain his worst impulses otoh that person is not braga. i have a feeling most of their collaboration consisted of moore saying "what the gently caress. no no no"
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Beeftweeter posted:otoh that person is not braga. i have a feeling most of their collaboration consisted of moore saying "what the gently caress. no no no" wouldn’t it have been the other way around? BSG was to a large degree comprised of all the stuff moore wasn’t able to do on voyager
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haveblue posted:wouldn’t it have been the other way around? BSG was to a large degree comprised of all the stuff moore wasn’t able to do on voyager i'm not sure what you mean. to me BSG was pretty good overall despite some stumbles and voyager has maybe 5 good episodes in total obviously i'm not some definitive arbiter of quality though so ymmv
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bsg, 3.5 beefstars/5. plane missed the runway, no survivors voyager, 0.5/5. partial credit for showing up
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there are good episodes and enjoyable characters on voyager which puts it leagues above picard i hope mulgrew is having fun on that trek kids show they are making
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i remember liking bsg alot when it was on tv, but i tried rewatching it a few years ago and, aside from the prequel/miniseries episodes, i didnt really care for it
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pseudorandom name posted:speaking of ron moore, for all mankind is exquisitely watchable trash I love it so much but still haven't gotten around to watching season 3 the season 2 finale though, it was like the last 30 seconds of overtime and both teams have pulled their goalies and everyone in the arena is standing up because oh poo poo how is this going to end, but for an hour. just incredible tv.
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pseudorandom name posted:successfully executed margaret thatcher. well now i'm gonna go back and commit. thx
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Beeftweeter posted:bsg, 3.5 beefstars/5. plane missed the runway, no survivors strong agree
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Archduke Frantz Fanon posted:there are good episodes and enjoyable characters on voyager which puts it leagues above picard there's a handful but most of the characters are pretty reductive. you don't ever think "oh, janeway might do $bad_thing because she's a morally complex individual, sometimes hands have to get a little dirty." instead its "well yeah janeway is very obviously an insane person that should not be entrusted with the lives of hundreds of people." chakotay is just there, neelix is an annoying yet somewhat likable buffoon (and neelix-centric episodes, with the notable exception of "tuvix" in which neelix himself does not appear much, are terrible), seven of nine is data with tits, tuvok is Black Spock, torres is worf with tits, harry kim is korean o'brien, tom paris is a dweeb, and the doctor is... probably the only somewhat good character, and a lot of that isn't the writing picard is just indefensible. gently caress that show
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a couple nights ago i watched shaolin rescuers last night was the woman king followed by a couple episodes of the cyberpunk cartoon on netflix tonight i will continue with edgerunners. when i'm done with it peaky blinders is scheduled for next but who knows if i'll follow through
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qirex posted:I’d also wager there’s a bit of tom cruise not wanting anyone else to outshine him since he owns the franchise  If you look at Tom's feet you will see that he is wearing three or four inch lifts and still can't flatfoot the motorcycle If you look a little closer you'll notice that Cameron Diaz is actually a scarecrow If you know exactly what you're looking for, you will notice the most baffling part, which is that the bike is actually an Aprilia SXV wearing Ducati Hypermotard plastics for some reason. I guess they had a marketing deal to use Ducatis but the Aprilia (lighter, longer forks) was more suitable for the stunt?
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Jonny 290 posted:well now i'm gonna go back and commit. thx I also highly recommend For All Mankind. It's got a fair bit of irritating boomer nostalgia (okay seriously how many times do you need to remind us that in this universe John Lennon lived), but if you were a kid in the 80s who grew up watching the shuttle launches and dreaming of being an astronaut, it's pure and joyful wish fulfillment. I got chills when they launched the Pathfinder shuttle and they rotate the camera to reveal that it's on the back of a C-5 and then it disconnects and they hit the NERVA engine and they're all slammed back and he says "underway on nuclear power" gently caress yeah
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speaking of best tv there is also peep show and if you never seen it plz watch the wedding episode
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peep show is the best people talk about 30 Rock having high jokes per minute but almost every line delivered in some episodes of Peep Show is funny
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https://youtu.be/kQdJkMqmyPo e: this is a good one too https://youtu.be/P4_6e5IaQXM it's hard to find ones that have no spoilers and need no context to enjoy. all the best ones are narrative and character based e2: deep down I do still genuinely believe that's how heating and air conditioning work though indigi fucked around with this message at 06:36 on Nov 26, 2022 |
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and some the whole episode needs to be swallowed whole for the terrible terrible ending to have it’s full impact like when mark and jeremy try and fail to burn that dead dog to hide the evidence and end up taking it aboard the boat and have to eat it in front of the owners of the pet it sounds so hosed up but it works they’re both such tragic losers https://youtu.be/8B7jnYg1Em8 if this doesn’t make someone want to see it nothing will
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echinopsis posted:and some the whole episode needs to be swallowed whole for the terrible terrible ending to have it’s full impact like when mark and jeremy try and fail to burn that dead dog to hide the evidence and end up taking it aboard the boat and have to eat it in front of the owners of the pet it sounds so hosed up but it works
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qirex posted:also finished andor tonight, good poo poo it sounds genuinely intriguing and i'm a hopeless sucker for spy stories i did read something saying that the producers were having trouble lining up directors for the second season though. i wonder if that's more a function of them not wanting to do a star war or if they took a look at the scripts and backed away because it's gone off the rails
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ymgve posted:some time I might try watching peep show but I can't really watch too much stuff that gives extreme second hand cringe it's also unique in that you hear their thoughts, and it nails this sad english life vibe sooo well
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echinopsis posted:it's also unique in that you hear their thoughts, and it nails this sad english life vibe sooo well
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Sagebrush posted:I guess they had a marketing deal to use Ducatis but the Aprilia (lighter, longer forks) was more suitable for the stunt?
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haveblue posted:wouldn’t it have been the other way around? BSG was to a large degree comprised of all the stuff moore wasn’t able to do on voyager ron moore didn't really work with brannon braga that much on voyager. their big duo years started in the back half of TNG and ran through the first two TNG movies. generations was a turd, but in fairness to them they were literally writing it at the same time they were writing the TNG finale episode, to the point where on more than one occasion they'd be talking and have to stop and ask "wait, is this for All Good Things or for Generations?", and also they had a laundry list of poo poo that had to be done in the First TNG Movie and not nearly enough money to do it in after TNG, moore went on to DS9, and braga went on to voyager. (braga poo poo all over the DS9 concept, "what, you're gonna wait around for the adventures to come to you??") by the time DS9 ended, braga had since been promoted to showrunner, and moore thought "oh cool i'll hop back over to voyager, do even more star trek, and it'll be like old times working with my buddy braga again!" well, braga basically held him at arm's length despite prior promises everything would be cool, and basically after like two episodes moore left and it took years for them to repair their relationship after that. the voyager writers' room was a very unhappy place. where people get this idea that moore wanted to do all sorts of stuff on voyager - and, tbf, probably would have if he'd been allowed to, but honestly that was more about UPN demanding the show remain as much in the "syndication pattern" as possible - is when he went and did a big interview after he left, in which he poo poo all over voyager for squandering its premise and dropping buckets of technobabble all over the place, and a lot of the things he said voyager should have been doing came up in BSG. like, hell, that line of dialogue where adama (or was it roslin? can't remember) says "we're gonna need to start having babies" was almost word-for-word what moore said in that interview. Beeftweeter posted:there's a handful but most of the characters are pretty reductive. you don't ever think "oh, janeway might do $bad_thing because she's a morally complex individual, sometimes hands have to get a little dirty." instead its "well yeah janeway is very obviously an insane person that should not be entrusted with the lives of hundreds of people." i remember hearing that, reportedly, when voyager started the three showrunners (rick berman, michael piller, and jeri taylor) basically never came to a consensus on how to write captain janeway. and instead of sitting down and hashing it out once and for all, they just wandered off and wrote her (or instructed script writers to write her) to their preference, which led to her being so inconsistent that people joked about her being schizophrenic. Shaggar posted:i remember liking bsg alot when it was on tv, but i tried rewatching it a few years ago and, aside from the prequel/miniseries episodes, i didnt really care for it it is very dated imo someone once observed that while the 1978 series tried to portray a society that was, at least superficially, somewhat different from our own, the 2003 series went out of its way to be America, In Space. i'm curious which way the next incarnation of bsg goes.
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:i remember hearing that, reportedly, when voyager started the three showrunners (rick berman, michael piller, and jeri taylor) basically never came to a consensus on how to write captain janeway. and instead of sitting down and hashing it out once and for all, they just wandered off and wrote her (or instructed script writers to write her) to their preference, which led to her being so inconsistent that people joked about her being schizophrenic. yeah i wouldn't be surprised, that is quite literally how the character comes across. i suppose for a show like voyager where you have barely consistency at all in terms of setting it can work, but the motley crew they had running things really, really hurt it, and as a result you get "well, janeway might do a bad thing, she might not. if she does it will probably be for a bullshit reason, and if she doesn't, it will have a dumb justification anyway" i think some of the most cringeworthy tng episodes come from either taylor or piller; ironically, for all the sonic wallpaper milquetoast poo poo he gets, the handful berman did are mostly fine and he was aware of that enough to leave the ds9 writers alone. they're certainly not that bad, just predictably mediocre. piller had a few good or even great ones, but the vast majority of his work sucks i think a few years back there was a manuscript floating around about him struggling to write insurrection and it just sounded like absolute hell, but that was apparently the star trek movie he wanted to make. insurrection is terrible, it's probably the worst tng one. taylor has enough good ones to count on one hand imo. it's all just cultural appropriation with de minimis introspection and forced drama with characters making the most obvious, dumbest decisions possible really bad writers e: lol its me. i'm the bad writer Beeftweeter fucked around with this message at 18:30 on Nov 26, 2022 |
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i've read Fade In too. i think piller was needed as a leader/manager of the writers in TNG, but yeah he was definitely the wrong writer for Insurrection. the notes he was getting from patrick stewart really didn't help either. the writing is really where the TNG movies suffered most and it's nuts how the studio couldn't get anyone in there. like, for Generations, rick berman basically had a concept bake-off between braga/moore (who as mentioned before were already writing the series finale), and... loving maurice hurley, who had been fired after the second season. first contact was okay. then Fade In made it sound like basically berman had to twist piller's arm into it because nobody else wanted to. nemesis had that hack john logan writing it, but that one was loving brent spiner's fault for making that a condition of him coming back to do nemesis, and then john logan somehow getting a clause in his contract that he absolutely could not be rewritten, and then the director was completely checked out because he felt he'd been screwed over by getting stuck with a trek project (b/c he'd been promised a directing gig for saving one of the mission impossible movies in editing)
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