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Nitrousoxide
May 30, 2011

do not buy a oneplus phone





Cugel the Clever posted:

Thanks for the thread, OP. I'm easing my election anxiety with some emergency-preparedness buys. It's all stuff that would be good to have in any emergency, so I won't regret the purchases even if the chuds don't try to start poo poo in the next six months. I'm in an apartment in an urban core, which is a context I haven't often seen specifically addressed. My building was built in this century, so is likely relatively earthquake-resilient and the shear population density of the area means it'll likely receive rapid federal relief efforts, barring a scenario where Trump refuses to accept defeat and chaos ensues.

Still, I'd prefer to be prepared to shelter in place as much as possible should power or water be knocked out in order to allow relief efforts to focus on the people who need it. I'm good on food and water, but am missing some essentials:

Cooking
Though a lot of the emergency food requires no cooking, none of it is going to be particularly pleasant at room temperature. If my electric stove is out of commission, I'd love to have an indoor fallback that isn't going to murder me. Does anyone have recommendations? It looks like the majority of camp stoves are an absolute no-go as propane and butane are killers without very good ventilation. Alcohol stoves apparently are less risky, but I'm not immediately finding one that's targeted at this use case. The MREs come with their own heaters, of course, but for canned goods and boiling water, I'd like to have something. I'd rather not be hiking up and down the stairs and cooking on the sidewalk if I can help it...

poo poo
The Luggable Loo in the OP looks like what I should just go with, but I'm still looking for alternatives because it strikes me as something likely to raise a "this person is crazy" red flag to anyone who spotted it sitting in my quite limited storage space. Since I'm looking to shelter in place, maybe just getting the bags and using them with my actual toilet would be the best way to go? I'm curious how cities have dealt with this in the past during emergencies.

Worst comes to worst and my home is outright gone, I'm curious if there's much written on how to make-do as an internally displaced person. I'm pretty new to my city and, between starting a new job, covid, and being a horrible, horrible introvert, I haven't had much opportunity to build the kind of connections that are really important. In a typical disaster scenario, the best bet would probably be to seek out local relief efforts. If SHTF, I'm either stuck finding some good folks and sticking with them or attempting to travel cross-country to people I know. I'm car-free, so that would mean either hitching or cycling a couple thousand miles through areas that would likely view strangers with, at best, skepticism.

Lastly, one thing that should be added to the OP is the importance of having some form of entertainment on-hand in the aftermath of an emergency. Having something entertaining to keep you occupied fights both boredom and anxiety, even if ultimately offering only escapism from the awful poo poo that's happening to you. An e-reader loaded with a bunch of books is a fantastic option and adds minimal weight to your pack. Other forms of entertainment like games have the added benefit of strengthening bonds between participants (so long as nobody is a giant dick). A deck of playing cards or a playing card game is another light addition to your gear that'll keep you and others occupied while building community.

An induction cooktop:
https://www.amazon.com/Duxtop-8100M...ps%2C143&sr=8-4

And generator will work. Also useful to keep your fridge running as well.

Gas generators will probably be the only ones that can output the power you'd need to supply your fridge and cooktop in the space you have. If you have a balcony you can pop it out there so you don't kill yourself with carbon monoxide.

If you live in the countryside you could go with solar, batteries, and an inverter to have an effectively infinite supply of power.

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Cugel the Clever
Apr 5, 2009

BLORANGE


Nitrousoxide posted:

An induction cooktop:
https://www.amazon.com/Duxtop-8100M...ps%2C143&sr=8-4

And generator will work. Also useful to keep your fridge running as well.

Gas generators will probably be the only ones that can output the power you'd need to supply your fridge and cooktop in the space you have. If you have a balcony you can pop it out there so you don't kill yourself with carbon monoxide.
No balcony, so I'm probably SOL. Could theoretically get an electric burner and a battery backup, but the battery backups are ultra-pricey and probably wouldn't get me more than a few meals heated

Unrelated, but what's the prepper equivalent of tacticlol? Spotted on r/preppers:

MRC48B
Apr 2, 2012



No trip flares or claymores on the perimeter fence. 0/10 the NVA sappers will cut through the wire and kill him in his sleep.

Guest2553
Aug 3, 2012


Canned heat is cheap and burns for a while. Small butane stoves are generally safe if you're near an open window. I have a bottle top propane stove that doubles as car camping/emergency cooking appliance since my rental has some patio space.

Cugel the Clever posted:

Since I'm looking to shelter in place, maybe just getting the bags and using them with my actual toilet would be the best way to go?
That's a valid strategy. Throw some lime, sawdust, or outhouse chemical on it to keep the odor down. Lacking that, leave a window partially open and close the vent if weather and climate allow.


Everybody needs a nintendo switch.

pantslesswithwolves
Oct 27, 2008

Ba-dam ba-DUMMMMMM


AreWeDrunkYet posted:

How do you budget the maintenance costs of emergency supplies? Most of the things listed in the OP need to be replaced on some frequency if they aren't used, whether it's food, drugs, filters, or medical supplies, so it comes off as an ongoing process and expense to maintain preparedness. And then what's the best way to factor those costs into the threat matrix mentioned, that is, how do you put specific values on the likelihood of a disaster, the impact of being unprepared, the costs of being prepared, and the mitigation offered by being prepared?

These are a bunch of good questions. Per the first- I keep a written record and also Google Calendar reminders set up for the expiration dates of my food. When something is getting close to that date, it gets moved to the front of the pantry for use and a replacement item gets added to the grocery list. Things like bandages donít necessarily have an expiration date per say, but rather that the sterility of the wrapping canít be guaranteed. In that case maybe Iíd consider using an old bandage for a training aid while working on replacing it with a fresh one. Done smartly, preparedness should not be ďdump a ton of money on stuff at random intervalsĒ but a gradual, ongoing process that doesnít have to be super costly.

Your question about taking in the costs of being prepared or unprepared for an event is good, and admittedly one that I havenít thought out to the level that youíre positing. Instead, Iíd say that any measures or course of action that you might choose would need to be cost-effective and feasible, understanding that will mean different things depending on the individual and the scenario. I may write an effortpost about how to do a threat assessment and try to account for that.

Flying_Crab
Apr 12, 2002





Cugel the Clever posted:

No balcony, so I'm probably SOL. Could theoretically get an electric burner and a battery backup, but the battery backups are ultra-pricey and probably wouldn't get me more than a few meals heated

Unrelated, but what's the prepper equivalent of tacticlol? Spotted on r/preppers:


What kind of dweeb puts triple strand in their apartment

Liquid Communism
Mar 9, 2004


Out here, everything hurts.




Guest2553 posted:

e. for sleeping bag, I'd recommend something synthetic primarily because it doesn't lose much insulation value when wet. It'll be a bit heavier and bulkier than down, but synthetics are a lot warmer and have longer life spans than they used to. I'd personally aim for a zero to twenty degree rated bag since it's easier to vent heat than it is to make more warmth (especially if you have one that opens up into a quilt shape), but don't forget you'll need something like a pad or mattress below you to stay warm. Where/how you live will determine what temp rating you need though - a family of six huddled in a single room of a new build townhouse has different requirements to keep everyone alive compared to an individual hiding out in an open warehouse, say.

The biggest thing you can do to stay warm is to get yourself off the ground. If you're sheltering in a house it's not as big a deal, but if you're outside or in a basement, the ground is going to eat all your warmth dangerously fast. A regular air filled air mattress is barely better than your body against the ground for keeping in warmth.

The solution I use is cheap and good. Drop ten-twenty bucks on a roll of Reflectix insulation. It's basically bubble wrap with mylar on both sides, and does an amazing job of keeping your heat in you if you put it between your body and pad or the ground. A 24" x 10 foot roll will make you two, and the one I keep in my camping bed roll has held up to my fat rear end rolling around on it in hammocks and on tent floors for a half dozen weekend trips now.

As an additional measure, my car kit for winter (which I had to throw in today, what the hell snow in mid-October) has one of these survival blankets as well:



Several manufacturers make them, they're heavy tarp weight ~7' x 5', water and wind proof, reflective on one side and safety orange on the other. Get a reflective pad under you, and one of those on top, and you'll be maximizing your body heat conservation. Throw on a wool watch cap and you'll be toasty.

The Oldest Man
Jul 28, 2003



These are good for the car:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07TDGV37F/

It's a reinforced mylar emergency blanket in a form factor you can wear with a high vis exterior and they're still about the size of a deck of cards in the package.

Internet Wizard
Aug 9, 2009

BANDAIDS DON'T FIX BULLET HOLES



Flying_Crab posted:

What kind of dweeb puts triple strand in their apartment

Now itís a TSCIF

Flying_Crab
Apr 12, 2002





Internet Wizard posted:

Now itís a TSCIF

Always thankful that I never had to string it or pound pickets. Thanks engineers!

pantslesswithwolves
Oct 27, 2008

Ba-dam ba-DUMMMMMM


Weíve got an election next week. Anyone do anything to prepare for it? I checked my shelf-stable foodís expiration dates, restocked my FAKs and went on a run to Trader Joeís for comfort food. Iím feeling pretty confident that my wife, dog and I are about as squared away as we can get for our area; hereís to hoping that we wonít have to endure another shelter in place/curfew type of situation like we did earlier this year.

Godholio
Aug 28, 2002

Does a bear split in the woods near Zheleznogorsk?


I'm going to costco tomorrow. Might buy a spare pack of toilet paper. I do need to grab another case of water regardless.

Flying_Crab
Apr 12, 2002





pantslesswithwolves posted:

Weíve got an election next week. Anyone do anything to prepare for it? I checked my shelf-stable foodís expiration dates, restocked my FAKs and went on a run to Trader Joeís for comfort food. Iím feeling pretty confident that my wife, dog and I are about as squared away as we can get for our area; hereís to hoping that we wonít have to endure another shelter in place/curfew type of situation like we did earlier this year.

I bought alcohol. In all seriousness I probably have enough super heavy beer to subsist off of for at least a week and a half in terms of calories, heh.

The Voice of Labor
Apr 8, 2020



stocking up in anticipation of *checks notes* a general election. the u.s. went from king of the hill to failed 3rd world nation pretty quick

Grip it and rip it
Apr 28, 2020

Be the change you want see in the world


pantslesswithwolves posted:

Weíve got an election next week. Anyone do anything to prepare for it? I checked my shelf-stable foodís expiration dates, restocked my FAKs and went on a run to Trader Joeís for comfort food. Iím feeling pretty confident that my wife, dog and I are about as squared away as we can get for our area; hereís to hoping that we wonít have to endure another shelter in place/curfew type of situation like we did earlier this year.

welp I'm gonna be driving across country with all my poo poo, pray for me.

antimatt
Sep 12, 2007

ultima ratio regum


Grip it and rip it posted:

welp I'm gonna be driving across country with all my poo poo, pray for me.

I'll be doing the same later next month. Goon luck my dude.

SMEGMA_MAIL
May 4, 2018


THUNDERDOME LOSER 2021





Yeah I need to stock up on water.

Iím still good on food, when I was with the Marines like two years ago they left a literal truckload of MREs lying around so when we were rucking only a short distance back from the field I stuffed my ruck with every chili Mac I could find.

Also veggie MREs are actually good gently caress the haters.

The Rat
Aug 29, 2004

You will find no one to help you here. Beth DuClare has been dissected and placed in cryonic storage.



I remember really liking the Spicy Penne Pasta MRE. Since it was vegetarian, it would often get missed in the first round of rat loving and was thus a reliable choice.

maffew buildings
Apr 29, 2009

I'm too dumb to get probated


The pepper sauce is extremely hot and it comes with Twizzy nibs A+ MRE

SMEGMA_MAIL
May 4, 2018


THUNDERDOME LOSER 2021





The Rat posted:

I remember really liking the Spicy Penne Pasta MRE. Since it was vegetarian, it would often get missed in the first round of rat loving and was thus a reliable choice.

Thatís the secret to MRE ratfucking. Let everyone else go for chili Mac and load up on the weird sounding good ones, then laugh at them day 4 when all they have left is ďpizzaĒ and that grossest chicken one.

Steezo
Jun 16, 2003
Now go away, or I shall taunt you a second time!




I lived off of the Cheese Tortellini one during the invasion. Gun section was just large enough for one MRE box to be completely emptied so people claimed their flavor. The only veggie one that was bad has been banished and shall not be spoken of. Warfighter Approved my rear end, gently caress the omlette

SMEGMA_MAIL
May 4, 2018


THUNDERDOME LOSER 2021





Steezo posted:

I lived off of the Cheese Tortellini one during the invasion. Gun section was just large enough for one MRE box to be completely emptied so people claimed their flavor. The only veggie one that was bad has been banished and shall not be spoken of. Warfighter Approved my rear end, gently caress the omlette

Yeah I heard that one was hot garbage though it was way before my time. At first I avoided veg since Iíve read enough memoirs from the early 00ís and heard about it from friends, until someone was raving about the veg MREs being almost as good as chili Mac.

Internet Wizard
Aug 9, 2009

BANDAIDS DON'T FIX BULLET HOLES



The worst one I had during my time in was the sausage and creamy gravy. It was bad enough that I dry heaved trying to eat it on the final day of the crucible when I was starving and wouldíve eaten about anything.

Iain
Aug 27, 2005

Satellite from days of old, lead me to your access code


You know what, I'm just gonna say it. I liked the Jambalaya. Hell, on my R&R from my first deployment I went to Vegas for a weekend and went to the House of Blues and had a $30 bowl of Jambalaya after eating it most of the deployment. Ham, chicken, shrimp, rice, tomatoes and peppers can't go wrong.

antimatt
Sep 12, 2007

ultima ratio regum


The vegetarian MREs (other than the omelet) were diamonds in the rough but I've still got a soft spot for Mexican style chicken stew. Heat the main, rice and the packet of jalapeno cheese in the FRH and mix them all together and it was almost palatable.

CopperHound
Feb 14, 2012



ASAPI posted:

Anyone know anything about how to determine friend or foe when reaching out to groups of people in the event everything goes to poo poo? Other than lurk on the HAM radio and hope your neighbors are dicks seems to be all I can find.
Local relationships are important. If you have trouble making friends outside of your bubble, see if there is a mutual aid group that you can get aquatinted with BEFORE you need them.
Their mottos are usually along the lines of "solidarity not charity". They tend to be very loosely organized groups that are a poo poo show to coordinate, but I can't think of a better resource for medium-long term support.

There are also organizations like CERT that range from emergency response cosplayers to the best local immediate response to disaster. If you want to get involved with these groups, that is great too. Just try to remain aware that immediate response and long term support are very different things. It is fun to be part of the calvary that rides in to save the day, but if you are providing long term support in this fashion us vs. them animosity can start to build.

Regarding portable water filters:
- The katadine pocket is well built and long lasting, but it is expensive, heavy, hard to pump, and the ceramic filter is somewhat fragile.
-For the money you can get enough sawyer squeeze filters (or similar) to stash anywhere you might need it. For stationary setups you can use it as a gravity filter with some tubing or even rig it up to a faucet. They don't filter virus, but neither does the katadine.

I went through trying to figure out the most reliable way to start a fire before coming around to the realization that just keeping a few Bics everywhere is the best option. Now I think the same about water treatment. Don't rely on a single point of failure.


e: For areas where there is a chance of human poo poo or piss in the water I recommend virus precautions. Thankfully they are a lot easier to kill chemically than many or the viruses and parasites that are easily filtered out: https://www.cdc.gov/safewater/effectiveness-on-pathogens.html

CopperHound fucked around with this message at 16:27 on Nov 1, 2020

ganglysumbia
Jan 29, 2005


Iím glad I donít live in an urban environment anymore, being prepared probably just involves being friends with the group with the most guns... Keeping warm would not be to difficult long as you had shelter. Long term food sources would definitely be precarious and dependent on local circumstances. However water would be the greatest weak point and the cause of a lot of short and long term problems. I wonder what percentage of people know the basics on how to properly purify water.

MazelTovCocktail
Jun 23, 2012

Gritty's gonna cut you.


My goal is to go shopping tonight (when empty) and get everything needed to ensure that for the next week or two there is no need to go out for anything (even perishables to the extent they have Frozen or canned variants or tolitaries and household items). The goal with this is then being able to move totally to delivery, for just winter Covid reasons, beyond anything else. We've already started clearing room on basement shelves to store stuff (since it's normally for storing old toys or Christmas ornaments). So basically coming back from Wegmans like I was Arnold at Surplus City in Commando, but with food instead of a FLASH launcher.

That said itís good I keep a case of water in the car for...

quote:

Water - do not store it in plastic bottles. When they get heated in the summer, they release microplastics into the water. Store in canteens, or double-walled bottles like this.
Aww goddamn it

MazelTovCocktail fucked around with this message at 19:18 on Nov 1, 2020

Cugel the Clever
Apr 5, 2009

BLORANGE


ganglysumbia posted:

I’m glad I don’t live in an urban environment anymore, being prepared probably just involves being friends with the group with the most guns...
Hard opposite feeling. In any far-out, civilizational collapse scenario, an urban area at least has the potential to bounce back to something akin to normalcy. All the medical advice in the OP is geared at stabilizing someone until they can be attended by any actual medical professional because you're kind of hosed if you are stuck attempting backwoods surgery yourself. Unless someone in your family is a competent surgeon, dumb random poo poo like appendicitis will kill you.

If you're worried about needing to make friends with the biggest group with the most guns, prep for that. Build or join a community of people near you that you can trust to not only have your back, but to be trying to make things better for everyone. A mutual support network is a good idea even outside of the most extreme scenarios. Unless you're truly isolated, being outside the city won't mean you're not subject to the same concern about armed groups, either, and those groups with guns that do exist are much less likely to be friendly to outsiders or open to internal dissention.

ganglysumbia
Jan 29, 2005


True, living alone in the woods leaves one fairly vulnerable. Having grown up in the States and now living in Central Europe there is a huge gap in long term sustainability in many US urban and rural areas. Looking at natural disasters that knock out infrastructure or sustained problems that prevent people from maintaining and repairing that infrastructure, basically a lot of folks are going to be getting cholera...

What Iím trying to get at I suppose is that no matter what it would be a poo poo sandwich, and everyone gets a big bite no matter how many Chili mac MREs you have stockpiled.

What I would advise is have that 72 emergency kit for sudden and short term disasters, several months of stockpiled perishable foods and a month of long term food supplies that are not so difficult to rotate out. Beyond that strengthen your community networks and if able / affordable build your home and property up for long term sustainability.

Harry Potter on Ice
Nov 4, 2006
Someone on the internet doesn't like me





The community networks thing fucks with me, I was talking about this with my partner. They were worried about random chuds getting at us in the woods and I was like nah.. if its actually as bad as you think it's those real neolib neighbors that you gotta watch your back for

CopperHound
Feb 14, 2012



Maybe I'm naive, but I like to think that getting too sick/injured to properly feed oneself is far more likely than friends outright betraying each other.

Harry Potter on Ice
Nov 4, 2006
Someone on the internet doesn't like me





CopperHound posted:

Maybe I'm naive, but I like to think that getting too sick/injured to properly feed oneself is far more likely than friends outright betraying each other.

Both sound very likely, widespread and connected imo

The Voice of Labor
Apr 8, 2020



what's the general take on caffeine preparedness?

I don't think my shelf full of cans and my few jars of instant are really going to hold out against any kind of long term supply interruption. even at a fairly modest two cups a day that ends up being a lot of grounds over the course of a week.

it's going to be a while before my yaupon is ready to harvest assuming I can even get the seeds to germinate, the caffeine content is pitiably low and drinking yerba matte is...unpleasant.

AreWeDrunkYet
Jul 8, 2006



If you care enough to make it a priority, why not just buy a jar of anhydrous caffeine? Compact and shelf stable.

L0cke17
Nov 29, 2013



The Voice of Labor posted:

what's the general take on caffeine preparedness?

I don't think my shelf full of cans and my few jars of instant are really going to hold out against any kind of long term supply interruption. even at a fairly modest two cups a day that ends up being a lot of grounds over the course of a week.

it's going to be a while before my yaupon is ready to harvest assuming I can even get the seeds to germinate, the caffeine content is pitiably low and drinking yerba matte is...unpleasant.

Pills are super cheap. Itís a couple dollars for 2-3 months worth at walmart and it has a shelf-life of years.

Definitely easy enough to have a supply capable of tapering off on if thatís your worry.

warsow
Jun 28, 2009


The Voice of Labor posted:

what's the general take on caffeine preparedness?

I don't think my shelf full of cans and my few jars of instant are really going to hold out against any kind of long term supply interruption. even at a fairly modest two cups a day that ends up being a lot of grounds over the course of a week.

it's going to be a while before my yaupon is ready to harvest assuming I can even get the seeds to germinate, the caffeine content is pitiably low and drinking yerba matte is...unpleasant.

Bricks of vacuum-sealed Cafe Bustello from Aldi and a few hundred caffeine pills go a long way.

Also, having a good stock of vitamins B12 and D help.

Bored As Fuck
Jan 1, 2006
Probation
Can't post for 6 hours!


Fun Shoe

warsow posted:

Bricks of vacuum-sealed Cafe Bustello from Aldi and a few hundred caffeine pills go a long way.

Also, having a good stock of vitamins B12 and D help.

Caffeine pills are an absolute must. So is having some stored coffee, or tea.

Liquid Communism
Mar 9, 2004


Out here, everything hurts.




pantslesswithwolves posted:

Weíve got an election next week. Anyone do anything to prepare for it? I checked my shelf-stable foodís expiration dates, restocked my FAKs and went on a run to Trader Joeís for comfort food. Iím feeling pretty confident that my wife, dog and I are about as squared away as we can get for our area; hereís to hoping that we wonít have to endure another shelter in place/curfew type of situation like we did earlier this year.

Bought a pack of TP, topped up my canned goods, and bought four liters of rum.

Going to be piss drunk the rest of the week.

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ganglysumbia
Jan 29, 2005


Bored As gently caress posted:

Caffeine pills are an absolute must. So is having some stored coffee, or tea.

Why are pills a must? Expect to be running ops or having guard duty?

Most people will get over their caffeine withdraws fairly quickly. And the reason why so much coffee is consumed is the taste, disregarding those that add anything to it but hot water...

If you are really concerned you can buy unroasted beans, which last more than two years if stored properly. Which is definitely not a bad idea if poo poo goes down it would definitely become very expensive, something to barter with, and of course the thing that makes all things better.

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