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ded
Oct 27, 2005

Kooler than Jesus


Stock up on food with long shelf life, and toilet paper again. In the next 3-4 weeks poo poo is going to get real drat lovely with the giant surge of covid cases we will have from the idiots gathering for thanksgiving and xmas.

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pantslesswithwolves
Oct 27, 2008

Ba-dam ba-DUMMMMMM


Iíve been trying to build on some of my skills lately. Iíve been reviewing my TCCC/TECC and WFA curriculum content, working on a vehicle emergency bag and trying to teach myself how to tie more knots, and tonight, I started a fire (in my fireplace so obviously under optimal conditions) with a firesteel and dryer lint. My little tinder bundle went up on my second shower of sparks and I had a roaring fire seconds later. Big takeaway here is holy poo poo clean out your dryer filters regularly, and also, what are you all using as fire starters? Heretofore Iíve used cotton balls/pads soaked in petroleum jelly (messy but effective) or petrolatum infused gauze pulled through a small hole cut into the wrapper like a candle wick.

Also, in one of the OPs we talked about the importance of community in emergency planning. Have any of you brought in friends as a part of your planning, and how?

SMEGMA_MAIL
May 4, 2018


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Iíve used dryer lint for ages too lol

The woodsy solution is just making a ďnestĒ with dry twigs and filling it very fine shavings but a bag of dryer lint is easier and faster.

US Berder Patrol
Jul 11, 2006

I joined the Navy and all I got was this hideous paunch.


Dryer lint has been my go-to tinder since I was a webelos, too. One other little bit of woodcraft kit we learned to put together was cotton balls saturated with vaseline, packed into pill bottles or film canister tubs or what have you to keep them safe and dry. Gives you a little bit of fuel to get you going if it's wet out.

e: There are about a million variations on this. Newspaper soaked in paraffin is another one I know right off hand.

US Berder Patrol fucked around with this message at 05:07 on Dec 4, 2020

pantslesswithwolves
Oct 27, 2008

Ba-dam ba-DUMMMMMM


Thereís always using crushed Doritos as well, but I think most goons would rather freeze to death in the dark than give up such a time-honored snack.

Lit another fire last night with my steel; next step will be to refine my technique even further so I can ignite my bundle in three strikes or less, then practice doing this outside with tinder that I find myself.

Harry Potter on Ice
Nov 4, 2006
Someone on the internet doesn't like me





pantslesswithwolves posted:

Lit another fire last night with my steel; next step will be to refine my technique even further so I can ignite my bundle in three strikes or less, then practice doing this outside with tinder that I find myself.

That's awesome. I'd love to have a go at one of those discovery channel survival shows

SMEGMA_MAIL
May 4, 2018


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pantslesswithwolves posted:

Thereís always using crushed Doritos as.

Yo what

Bored As Fuck
Jan 1, 2006
Be polite. Be professional. But be prepared to PARTAYYY!

Fun Shoe

https://youtu.be/_SrnDYqDp2w

warsow
Jun 28, 2009


Friendly reminder to take a look and inventory of your stuff today or tomorrow.

Oh and donít ever forget the comfort items like chocolate and or gummy bears for in the house.

ASAPI
Apr 20, 2007
I invented the line.



warsow posted:

Friendly reminder to take a look and inventory of your stuff today or tomorrow.

Oh and donít ever forget the comfort items like chocolate and or gummy bears for in the house.

funny you say that...

I'm currently making a shopping list and planning the best time to go to the store..

pantslesswithwolves
Oct 27, 2008

Ba-dam ba-DUMMMMMM


Just ordered a bunch of Girl Scout cookies and bought another 5th of bourbon so if the chuds come for me theyíll find me drunk as poo poo with a raging sugar high burning through as much of my stash of 9mm as possible before they overrun me.

ded
Oct 27, 2005

Kooler than Jesus


9mm is too expensive of a round to use on them. consider a lower caliber.

shame on an IGA
Apr 8, 2005



warsow posted:

Friendly reminder to take a look and inventory of your stuff today or tomorrow.

Oh and don’t ever forget the comfort items like chocolate and or gummy bears for in the house.

big "some of you kids are alright, stay home from America monday" energy

warsow
Jun 28, 2009


shame on an IGA posted:

big "some of you kids are alright, stay home from America monday" energy

more of a "if you are stuck in this miserable shithole like me, get some gummy bears if it does go tits up" vibe imo

Amazon sells 5LB bags of trolli sour gummy worms.

The Voice of Labor
Apr 8, 2020



a saw is a good thing to keep in your trunk.

Steezo
Jun 16, 2003
Now go away, or I shall taunt you a second time!




The Voice of Labor posted:

a saw is a good thing to keep in your trunk.

Well yeah, how else are you supposed to make the bodies fit?

ded
Oct 27, 2005

Kooler than Jesus


Steezo posted:

Well yeah, how else are you supposed to make the bodies fit?

noob

break some bones and they fit fine

pantslesswithwolves
Oct 27, 2008

Ba-dam ba-DUMMMMMM


The other day, some good friends of mine had a significant scare with carbon monoxide in their home. To make a long story short, their neighborís unoccupied home (here in DC, a lot of homes are row houses that share one or more walls) was leaking carbon monoxide into their home at levels that could have eventually killed my friends within a few hours had they not heeded their carbon monoxide detectors.

You can get a decent carbon monoxide detector that plugs into a wall outlet and has a redundant battery back up for like $30 at your local hardware store. Consider this and other stuff like fire/smoke detectors, fire extinguishers, a crowbar and an escape ladder to be essential equipment- you can mitigate like 95% of the most common threats in your home with $150 and 15 minutes in a hardware store.

Bored As Fuck
Jan 1, 2006
Be polite. Be professional. But be prepared to PARTAYYY!

Fun Shoe

Yeah, that's very good advice. I set an alert in my calendar app to check the carbon monoxide and smoke detectors once a year.

ASAPI
Apr 20, 2007
I invented the line.



FYI, if any of you are like me and see something "preppy" that can help, just buy it if you can afford it. I made the mistake of waiting on "a deal" for a water bob. That was a mistake...

Guest2553
Aug 3, 2012


You're much better off than this motherfucker

The whole texas thing has me wondering what I'd in the event of a power out now that my landlord replaced the wood fireplace with an electric one, though. Tent plus candles in an interior room to create micro-climes is the best I could do offhand, I think. That and leaving a the taps on a little bit so pipes don't burst and make everything a million times worse.

ASAPI
Apr 20, 2007
I invented the line.



Guest2553 posted:

You're much better off than this motherfucker

The whole texas thing has me wondering what I'd in the event of a power out now that my landlord replaced the wood fireplace with an electric one, though. Tent plus candles in an interior room to create micro-climes is the best I could do offhand, I think. That and leaving a the taps on a little bit so pipes don't burst and make everything a million times worse.

That is GOLD.

My wife had an "earthquake kit" in her car. When I discovered it I asked her how she was going to open her can of food. She now owns a manual can opener. Still surprised that people forget those.

pantslesswithwolves
Oct 27, 2008

Ba-dam ba-DUMMMMMM


Iíve been thinking about how Iíd prepare for something like this. The DC area is better equipped to deal with super cold weather than Texas by way of our better insulated homes, so Iíd be less worried about some of the more extreme things like icicles coming out of my light fixtures. That said, if it were really bad, Iíd probably tarp over my downstairs windows to act as something of a vapor barrier, keep a fire going in my wood-burning fireplace (which I had serviced recently so I know my flue is clear of buildup and good to go), and set up a tent in the living room for my wife, dog and I to sleep in with all of our blankets. Iíd probably store some of our water in there to keep it from freezing solid. A lot of our stored food is like Thai or Indian food packets so I wouldnít need to really heat them before eating.

For sanitation- well, guess itís going to be a bucket with kitty litter and bleach for us, and hoping that the toilets didnít crack when the water froze.

ASAPI
Apr 20, 2007
I invented the line.



pantslesswithwolves posted:

Iíve been thinking about how Iíd prepare for something like this. The DC area is better equipped to deal with super cold weather than Texas by way of our better insulated homes, so Iíd be less worried about some of the more extreme things like icicles coming out of my light fixtures. That said, if it were really bad, Iíd probably tarp over my downstairs windows to act as something of a vapor barrier, keep a fire going in my wood-burning fireplace (which I had serviced recently so I know my flue is clear of buildup and good to go), and set up a tent in the living room for my wife, dog and I to sleep in with all of our blankets. Iíd probably store some of our water in there to keep it from freezing solid. A lot of our stored food is like Thai or Indian food packets so I wouldnít need to really heat them before eating.

For sanitation- well, guess itís going to be a bucket with kitty litter and bleach for us, and hoping that the toilets didnít crack when the water froze.

I have discovered that a fireplace that runs 24/7 will keep the area around it at least 50. If I were to try to optimize that heat I could likely get it higher/longer if needed. The staying warm part was actually the easiest.

Water. This is where you will encounter an issue. Not drinking water, but water for cleaning, flushing, etc. I was GROSSLY underprepared for how much water it takes to flush a toilet vs how quickly our tubs naturally drain. It would have been much better/easier with one or two water bobs, or even a special plug that seals the tub drain better.

Everyone is good with "surviving", it isn't crazy hard. It's being comfortable that needs more attention in my case.

All that being said, if my conditions were ongoing for more than a week I would be totally hosed.

gay_crimes
Apr 12, 2008



The waterbob and Big Berkey I bought at the beginning of the pandemic are gold right now in the failed, collapsed state of Texas. Other good things were extra battery packs, tealight candles, and warm sleeping bags. I need better gloves.

Discussion Quorum
Dec 5, 2002
Armchair Philistine


ASAPI posted:

FYI, if any of you are like me and see something "preppy" that can help, just buy it if you can afford it. I made the mistake of waiting on "a deal" for a water bob. That was a mistake...

but with a sad fist bump at the end

I've been working on building a better prep kit, but my mental deadline was the beginning of hurricane season and this scenario was not on my radar at all.

ASAPI posted:

Water. This is where you will encounter an issue. Not drinking water, but water for cleaning, flushing, etc. I was GROSSLY underprepared for how much water it takes to flush a toilet vs how quickly our tubs naturally drain. It would have been much better/easier with one or two water bobs, or even a special plug that seals the tub drain better.

Everyone is good with "surviving", it isn't crazy hard. It's being comfortable that needs more attention in my case.

All that being said, if my conditions were ongoing for more than a week I would be totally hosed.

This is the big hole in our preparation too. We have flats of drinking water. We even have filters and the ability to boil bad water! But there's no water to filter or boil. We didn't fill up our tubs because we were asked to leave them running by the building management. And you bring up a good point about the tub slowly draining anyways. I ended up being able to fill a 5 gallon bucket from a broken pipe across the street which bought us a few flushes. Just in time too, because we were about to go full Cousin Eddie: SHITTER'S FULL! Plan B was going to be making GBS threads in gallon ziplocs and throwing them in the trash, for lack of any better options.

Thankfully we had a brief period Tuesday morning where water pressure came back and I filled up every cooler, bucket, and trash can I could. But even this wouldn't solve our problem if our water straight froze indoors. That's something I hadn't considered. Thankfully our temp indoors only got down to the mid 50s before a mix of sun in our big east-facing windows and intermittent power bounced us back out of it. The big windows and being on an upper floor gently caress us good in the summer, but it has certainly helped the past few days.

Ultimately I'm going to have to do a postmortem but so far here is what has been useful from my emergency kit:

Emergency blankets - put them reflective side in between our bedroom windows and the curtains. Immediate and noticeable difference, especially in our kid's room.

Camp stove - Had to take this to the parking garage and put it in the tailgate of my SUV. Wish I had something I could use inside but that's more of a ventilation issue. Like hell I'm opening a window.

Chargers - battery packs are essential, but having QuickCharge/PD chargers both indoors and in in car has been gold in an intermittent power situation. If your power comes back on and you don't know if you have 30 minutes or 3 hours, you have to make the most of it. Your phone is your lifeline, to news, to your friends and family, and to shitposting.

Food - canned soup and the precooked Indian food packets have accounted for roughly half our meals so far. Haven't been into the dried beans yet but I'm glad I have them. I managed to save some of my fridge contents with an ice chest and moved the salvageable frozen stuff to my car. By late yesterday our power was consistent enough (we'd lose it for 3-4 hours but it would reliably come back for an hour or two) to put stuff back in the fridge/freezer.

Nitrile gloves - not so much for first aid but great for dealing with anything gross when you can't wash your hands

What has not worked out:

Water - duh. Again, not drinking water. But rationing toilet flushes sucks, especially when you get to the point of leaving a piss-filled toilet because you only have 3 flushes left and the next person may have to crap. And that was our starting point, lol. Never thought I'd say this but our son being in diapers was kind of a godsend. Also yesterday I sacrificed about 6 pints of drinking water to the god of clean dishes and felt immeasurably better.

Travel/the general game plan - all of my preparation has been for a hurricane-type scenario of enduring moderate issues in place, like an extended power outage in warm weather, or enduring a worse situation for 24 hours and then GTFO if things aren't improving. My idea of impassible roads has been more of a Harvey type situation where things clear up to allow an orderly evacuation to somewhere like my parents' house or, if we need to go farther, my MIL's. The latter is about four hours northeast which we thought would be far enough away to be in a better situation. She does have power but is very much caught in the winter storm too and the roads between us are iced over and subject to sleet/"frozen mix."

Skin care - this sounds dumb but between using lots of hand sanitizer (no water to wash hands) and the cold my hands are cracked, raw, and flaring up with dermatitis something fierce. I got ahold of some lotion which will hopefully help.

poo poo I didn't expect - leaky sprinkler pipes lead to hours of fire alarms yesterday when the power came back on. I have ear pro for my toddler but it's hard for him to keep it on. The alarms are loving loud, painfully so (although mainly in the bedrooms and common hallways, which we kept him out of), and I really worry about his hearing. My tinnitus feels worse than it did a day ago but hopefully that's just me being paranoid.

Not really on the game plan but an added "lol nope" - any pizza place or fast food restaurant that manages to open up ends up with a quarter-mile long line or 90+ minute wait. Hope they're paying their employees handsomely for coming in (they're not).

Discussion Quorum fucked around with this message at 09:54 on Feb 18, 2021

ASAPI
Apr 20, 2007
I invented the line.



Discussion Quorum posted:



Travel/the general game plan - all of my preparation has been for a hurricane-type scenario of enduring moderate issues in place, like an extended power outage in warm weather, or enduring a worse situation for 24 hours and then GTFO if things aren't improving. My idea of impassible roads has been more of a Harvey type situation where things clear up to allow an orderly evacuation to somewhere like my parents' house or, if we need to go farther, my MIL's. The latter is about four hours northeast which we thought would be far enough away to be in a better situation. She does have power but is very much caught in the winter storm too and the roads between us are iced over and subject to sleet/"frozen mix."



So Travel is one category I CHOSE to ignore. Like you said, most of the planning is for a moderate situation, not absolutely everything breaking in the worse possible way, while it's freezing.

Unless I chose to keep a vehicle that can handle the snow, sitting around, for the one day I need it, is not economical. I considered many things, the need to travel in weather/road conditions that Texas has/had, just means I have to go into "well poo poo, the world is ending" mode. With the current map, I would have to clear hundreds of miles to hopefully find power/water. There is no prepping for that condition, at least nothing practical.

pmchem
Jan 21, 2010




Great Outdoors has a bug-out bag thread that seems particularly relevant for people without utility service, even if it wasn't intended for that originally:
https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3933065

cakesmith handyman
Jul 22, 2007

Pip-Pip old chap! Last one in is a rotten egg what what.



Good thread. Looking through the recommendations the main things I need to sort in the house are keeping backup batteries charged and getting more fire extinguishers. Any bigger issues than that I'll drink the whisky and wait for the nukes.

1 question I do have though is about making rainwater drinkable: I have hundreds of liters of rainwater storage available to me but how do I make it safe for my family in the unlikely event I did need to drink it?

SMEGMA_MAIL
May 4, 2018


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Bleach, if you canít boil. Not kidding. You can look up the exact ratio from the CDC.

Iodine and chlorine as well but iodine is not supposed to be used frequently.

ASAPI
Apr 20, 2007
I invented the line.



SpaceSDoorGunner posted:

Bleach, if you canít boil. Not kidding. You can look up the exact ratio from the CDC.

Iodine and chlorine as well but iodine is not supposed to be used frequently.

Just make sure you get the unscented kind.

SMEGMA_MAIL
May 4, 2018


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ASAPI posted:

Just make sure you get the unscented kind.

also avoid ďlow splashĒ or anything other than good old plain delicious drinkin bleach

Guest2553
Aug 3, 2012


If you have a bunch of clear containers kicking around (or unlubed condoms, which pack up nicely on the trail and are surprisingly durable), don't forget about UV filtering - put that bad boy out in a sunny place for a few hours and you'll have potable water once the UV radiation murders the life-forms growing inside. Prefilter the water first or else some organisms will invariably survive in the shadow of larger debris.

Nitrousoxide
May 30, 2011

do not buy a oneplus phone





I have a feeling this can't be right, otherwise pretty much every pond or puddle would be safe to drink out of

Guest2553
Aug 3, 2012


UV purification is the OG steripen, dawg.

US Berder Patrol
Jul 11, 2006

I joined the Navy and all I got was this hideous paunch.


Nitrousoxide posted:

I have a feeling this can't be right, otherwise pretty much every pond or puddle would be safe to drink out of

if you had a way to just suck up the topmost layer of water and there was a low suspended load of sediments and organics

Thump!
Nov 25, 2007

Look, fat, here's the fact, Kulak!





SpaceSDoorGunner posted:

Bleach, if you canít boil. Not kidding. You can look up the exact ratio from the CDC.

Iodine and chlorine as well but iodine is not supposed to be used frequently.

1/2 teaspoon per 5 gallons, mix it up and wait for 30 seconds. It's gonna taste like poo poo but not quite as bad as iodine water.

BigDave
Jul 14, 2009

Taste the High Country


I've had to drink bleach water before, kool aid or gatorade powder is a godsend

SMEGMA_MAIL
May 4, 2018


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At least in the USMC there were pretty strict rules about using iodine beyond a certain amount of time. I think chlorine was the preferred treatment method, then bleach, then iodine.

Apparently some 2nd LT once had the ďgood ideaĒ of deciding that his platoon should just take iodine instead of enough water, I donít think it went well for him once a prevmed corpsman found out and immediately raised hell.

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Godholio
Aug 28, 2002

Does a bear split in the woods near Zheleznogorsk?


Pretty sure we used iodine in SERE.

Great.

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