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redleader
Aug 18, 2005

Engage according to operational parameters

Crane Fist posted:

The right thrives in the status quo so doing nothing is a win for them every time

yeah, absolutely. i'm just comparing the labour govt to the incredibly low standards of the rest of the anglosphere

my hope is that labour needs a coalition with the greens and only the greens, who can drag lab a bit away from the centre in a few areas

i have extremely low hopes

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redleader
Aug 18, 2005

Engage according to operational parameters
op does a disservice to the purechaotic neutral force that is winnie tbh

some plague rats
Jun 5, 2012

by Fluffdaddy

redleader posted:

op does a disservice to the purechaotic neutral force that is winnie tbh

I don't hate a lot of people but if winnie fell in a septic tank I would throw a party

Moongrave
Jun 19, 2004

Finally Living Rent Free
There’s also a stark difference between election year Winnie and non-election year Winnie.

voiceless anal fricative
May 6, 2007

i say swears online posted:

at just after two minutes did i see this dude essentially call that goldsmith guy pocahontas by giving him a maori first name? i can't quite tell because of the accent. lol new zealand racists

Nah he was making fun of the idea that Paul Goldsmith, an extremely white dude, is Māori.

bobbilljim
May 29, 2013

this christmas feels like the very first christmas to me
:shittydog::shittydog::shittydog:
Not sure if the context was there but the joke being that the national party leader had once claimed Paul was Maori in the name of having a diverse front bench

Firstscion
Apr 11, 2008

Born Lucky

Atrocious Joe posted:

so do the socialists in New Zealand support the Greens. what about the trade unions.

My Union (E Tū) is officially aligned with Labour. But my party vote is still probably going to go to the Greens.

Varkk
Apr 17, 2004

EPMU which is one of the unions which merged in to form E Tū is fairly solid Labour. Although one year (2014) I think they threw their support and cash at the Green Party instead. This caused a few rumblings of discontent in the membership which are socially quite conservative but staunch pro union.

Algund Eenboom
May 4, 2014

Good news exmarx theyre combining your favorite things, the cia and outer space https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/300102583/rocket-labs-new-hire-has-roots-in-the-cia-laser-weapons-and-space-militarisation

quote:

Rocket Lab’s new board member headed the CIA’s venture capital firm and is a proponent of deploying high-powered laser weapons in space.

Michael D. Griffin, who was until recently an Under-Secretary of Defense in the Trump administration, was welcomed onto the board of the aerospace and small satellite company in August.

The 70-year-old aerospace engineer and physicist has had a colourful, glittering and at times controversial career in the space industry.

In the 1980s he held a senior role in then-president Ronald Reagan's Strategic Defence Initiative ballistic missile defence programme, and later headed NASA.

Griffin has been characterised as a hawkish advocate of American military supremacy and supports the development of hypersonic missiles and directed energy systems, including high-powered space laser weapons for ballistic missile defence.

voiceless anal fricative
May 6, 2007

Labour definitely has the closest relationship with the unions in NZ. They have like 5 or so affiliated unions, with E Tu who Firstscion works for being the biggest (they probably represent a good 10-15% of all unionised people in NZ? Idk exactly). The labour affiliated unions are mostly the older trade unions, like for meat workers, dairy workers, dock workers etc, which tells you something about the Labour party's roots. These unions get a 20% vote on the party leadership.

Meanwhile the council of trade unions, to whom like pretty much all of the NZ unions affiliate, don' officially back labour but are pretty dominated by labour people. The President if the CTU has a spot at the labour party conference every year for e.g. But they also come out in support of green party stuff fairly often, most recently they backed the greens tax plan over labour's.

The greens have a bit of a conundrum in that sense. Because they're still a relatively young party they don't have traditional relationships with any sectors and while the active green party membership tend to be radicals and their policy is the furthest Left of any party that gets more than a tiny percent of the vote, the majority of their actual voters are white middle class professionals.

e:

lol doesn't surprise me, rocket lab is full of angry white wing dudes and the founder is a personal friend of a bunch of National party MPs (current and former)

voiceless anal fricative has issued a correction as of 04:44 on Sep 21, 2020

Ghostlight
Sep 25, 2009

maybe for one second you can pause; try to step into another person's perspective, and understand that a watermelon is cursing me



bike tory posted:

angry white wing dudes
that's parapraxis

Varkk
Apr 17, 2004

bike tory posted:


lol doesn't surprise me, rocket lab is full of angry white wing dudes and the founder is a personal friend of a bunch of National party MPs (current and former)
It isn’t really anything new most of the launches seem to have an undisclosed payload for the NRO or similar agency. As I said in the other thread The other founder, Mark Rocket, seems to be a peacenik who just wants to play with cool space/plane toys. He initially said RockLabs would only launch non-military payloads. However he departed the company in 2008 or 2009 and they then picked up a lucrative contract with the NRO. The only thing they will say is that all payloads are subject to approval from the highest level of the NZ Goverment. Rocket in the meantime has gone on to found Kea Aerospace and seems content to play with his planes without military backing or application.

Maximo Roboto
Feb 4, 2012

How some niche ideologies crop up in New Zealand:

Social Credit

quote:

Needless to say, the idea of the Government giving people money for free was quite attractive to poor people (and especially farmers) during the Great Depression, and the movement became popular in Canada, Australia and New Zealand – winning seats in various Canadian legislatures and contributing to the 1935 Labour victory in New Zealand. After the first flush of success, Social Credit won seats in Quebec, British Columbia, New Zealand and the Solomon Islands in later generations. Policy-wise, parts of it were actually implemented by Labour in New Zealand when they used ultra-low-interest loans from the Reserve Bank to build thousands of state houses.
...
However, those who stayed with Douglas in this period were generally not the ones who remained active in politics, because Douglas had already ordered his followers to give up on electoral politics in 1934, encouraging them instead to circulate petitions to press existing Governments to change the monetary system. These did not work, and the continuing Social Credit parties became dominated by either the non-conspiratorial Right (in Western Canada) or the Left (in New Zealand from the 1970s) who rejected late-period Douglas pronouncements. In power, the party in British Columbia and Alberta abandoned the monetary reform ideology, largely because it wasn’t achievable on the provincial level.

"Protestant Democracy"

quote:

Elsewhere in the post-colonial world, Australia plays host to a few Christian parties. The country’s large Catholic population once formed the backbone of the Democratic Labor Party, but the Protestants got their own back with the rise of Family First in the 2000s, while the Christian Democratic Party of Congregational pastor Fred Nile has been in the New South Wales upper house since the days of the Apostles. Similar efforts in New Zealand have been less successful, although there has been a nice cross-section of the Protestant Democrat typology: Christian Heritage was an SGP-style fundie Calvinist effort; United Future was a rootless, occasionally progressive, attempt at a CDU analogue reminiscent of the Scandinavian Christian Democrats; Destiny was a megachurch project like many of the South American parties; and the New Conservative Party, like most of the small Protestant parties in Western Europe, is boringly fixated on sex.

ThatJesus
May 30, 2009
Someone sent my work a youtube video back when TOP was getting off the ground. It was, apparently, a demo for an educational FPS game they were developing. The player was wandering around what appeared to be a national park racking up points shooting cats, losing points for shooting native birds that jumped out, and towards the end of the 'demo' Gareth Morgan's disembodied head floated, laughing, onto the screen after the player got a multikill bonus.

I checked recently and the video has been deleted/made private which is a shame, I would have loved to share it.

Anyway idk if it was political, I wonder if there's a Geoff Simmons game in the works?

exmarx
Feb 18, 2012


The experience over the years
of nothing getting better
only worse.

all the high-profile christian parties end up being full of sex criminals

exmarx
Feb 18, 2012


The experience over the years
of nothing getting better
only worse.
[asmr] family values pedophile whimpers after getting decked outside court

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wUEfF_olEik

Moo Cowabunga
Jun 15, 2009

[Office Worker.




the dude who did that awesome work got two years jail for that.

the punch I mean

Moo Cowabunga
Jun 15, 2009

[Office Worker.




that two year sentence was nearly a quarter of what that fucker got for sexually abusing kids.

The Rabbi T. White
Jul 17, 2008





Displeased Moo Cow posted:

the dude who did that awesome work got two years jail for that.

the punch I mean

should’ve been in the time of gofundme. dude would be rich.

Moongrave
Jun 19, 2004

Finally Living Rent Free
If he’d been a rising rugby player he’d have gotten off scoff free for assault

Charles 2 of Spain
Nov 7, 2017

I wouldve scoffed tbh

Xik
Mar 10, 2011

Dinosaur Gum
chloe for supreme leader

The Rabbi T. White
Jul 17, 2008





Xik posted:

chloe for supreme leader

Vote Green cunts.

Moo Cowabunga
Jun 15, 2009

[Office Worker.




I did last time and look what happened

avoid doorways
Jun 6, 2010

'twas brillig
Gun Saliva
Green Cunts of Aotearoa New Zealand

Zanziabar
Oct 31, 2010


Am I thick or is this just worded weird.

"National's house was on fire when firefighters pointed out this fire had absolutely nothing to do with labour and more due to their own gross incompetence'

avoid doorways
Jun 6, 2010

'twas brillig
Gun Saliva
National tried to claim the mistake was caused by Labour changing how much the super fund was being paid

Zanziabar
Oct 31, 2010

Licarn posted:

National tried to claim the mistake was caused by Labour changing how much the super fund was being paid

Figures, their attempt to blame labour reeks of dead cat

Doktor Avalanche
Dec 30, 2008

Displeased Moo Cow posted:

the dude who did that awesome work got two years jail for that.

the punch I mean

2 years in jail for a couple of punches? I'm not endorsing violence but come on, that's too much.

avoid doorways
Jun 6, 2010

'twas brillig
Gun Saliva

Doctor Jeep posted:

2 years in jail for a couple of punches? I'm not endorsing violence but come on, that's too much.

he had many priors and was on bail when he did it

Moo Cowabunga
Jun 15, 2009

[Office Worker.




plus it was outside a courthouse while the punched guy had name suppression I think? either way the court will chuck you in jail for a few days just fir opening your gob in court when you shouldn’t. I suspect the assault being so close to court was an aggravating factor but still

at least he only got two of his three strikes in

Hillary 2024
Nov 13, 2016

by vyelkin
Wut?
https://twitter.com/NZStuffPolitics/status/1308270431623720961?s=20

https://twitter.com/secondzeit/status/1308278501401718784?s=20

Varkk
Apr 17, 2004

how many times is Ardern going to point out Goldsmith’s apparent maths skills in tonight’s debate?

Ghostlight
Sep 25, 2009

maybe for one second you can pause; try to step into another person's perspective, and understand that a watermelon is cursing me



it was a tall order living up to joyce but goldsmith managed it.

El Pollo Blanco
Jun 12, 2013

by sebmojo
Nats still working on the "how hard can it be" principal of running a country, I see

exmarx
Feb 18, 2012


The experience over the years
of nothing getting better
only worse.
there's meant to be a new poll in the lead up to the first debate tonight. i'll post a link if someone else doesn't first, not sure if the amerikkkans etc will be able to watch though.

edogawa rando
Mar 20, 2007

I think my mass effect is broken

exmarx posted:

there's meant to be a new poll in the lead up to the first debate tonight. i'll post a link if someone else doesn't first, not sure if the amerikkkans etc will be able to watch though.

voiceless anal fricative
May 6, 2007

CB leans right a bit too. I'm happy with that result!

The Rabbi T. White
Jul 17, 2008






Yeah, so CB... so +3% for Labour on top of that.
18% for Collins for preferred PM? lolol

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avoid doorways
Jun 6, 2010

'twas brillig
Gun Saliva
Labour could still govern alone on those numbers with 63 seats, same as the current coalition

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