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Ghostlight
Sep 25, 2009

maybe for one second you can pause; try to step into another person's perspective, and understand that a watermelon is cursing me



Labour was created by socialists and the trade unions, but only the latter have really stuck with them. Socialists probably have to vote Greens as the structure of MMP means they are currently the only viable tool for moving the government left, but that of course doesn't mean they do (this is doing double duty for both socialists voting for them, and the Greens moving the government left). There are a number of socialist parties, many of which fail to register, but none of them have been able to gain an electorate or poll high enough to get exposure in the last 50 years so they mostly concentrate on activism over electioneering.

i say swears online posted:

at just after two minutes did i see this dude essentially call that goldsmith guy pocahontas by giving him a maori first name? i can't quite tell because of the accent. lol new zealand racists
Pretty much. Winston is himself Māori, and is mocking the idea by calling him Pāora Heke Goldsmith, Pāora being a straight transliteration of Paul and Heke being a fairly notable Māori surname.

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Ghostlight
Sep 25, 2009

maybe for one second you can pause; try to step into another person's perspective, and understand that a watermelon is cursing me



bike tory posted:

angry white wing dudes
that's parapraxis

Ghostlight
Sep 25, 2009

maybe for one second you can pause; try to step into another person's perspective, and understand that a watermelon is cursing me



it was a tall order living up to joyce but goldsmith managed it.

Ghostlight
Sep 25, 2009

maybe for one second you can pause; try to step into another person's perspective, and understand that a watermelon is cursing me



https://i.imgur.com/wCys3Bx.mp4

Ghostlight
Sep 25, 2009

maybe for one second you can pause; try to step into another person's perspective, and understand that a watermelon is cursing me



https://i.imgur.com/hSPVxqT.mp4

Ghostlight
Sep 25, 2009

maybe for one second you can pause; try to step into another person's perspective, and understand that a watermelon is cursing me



https://i.imgur.com/7hJRYFX.mp4

Ghostlight
Sep 25, 2009

maybe for one second you can pause; try to step into another person's perspective, and understand that a watermelon is cursing me



https://i.imgur.com/oEB97uy.mp4

Ghostlight
Sep 25, 2009

maybe for one second you can pause; try to step into another person's perspective, and understand that a watermelon is cursing me



https://i.imgur.com/nUZpd48.mp4

Ghostlight
Sep 25, 2009

maybe for one second you can pause; try to step into another person's perspective, and understand that a watermelon is cursing me



that's my politics sandwich



thank you i yield my time

Ghostlight
Sep 25, 2009

maybe for one second you can pause; try to step into another person's perspective, and understand that a watermelon is cursing me



it came off as less a defense than a legal requirement to make sure her acknowledging personal ownership of them wasn't caught on record.

Ghostlight
Sep 25, 2009

maybe for one second you can pause; try to step into another person's perspective, and understand that a watermelon is cursing me



Varkk posted:

Most of the things I have seen suggest that Arden had a bad debate but still easily won it despite being a bit flat and boring.
Also surely the sound bite from the debate is "My husband is Samoan. So talofa."
you're not a fan of "do you want avocado orchards or not? i think we should"?

Ghostlight
Sep 25, 2009

maybe for one second you can pause; try to step into another person's perspective, and understand that a watermelon is cursing me



vote top if you're a bottom.

Ghostlight
Sep 25, 2009

maybe for one second you can pause; try to step into another person's perspective, and understand that a watermelon is cursing me



Gentle Autist posted:

They state that UBI - “Kiwi Dividend” will be topped up to current benefit levels, so there will be no cut in beneficiary incomes - am I misunderstanding? Also the whole plan is revenue neutral so doesn’t require services cuts
It can be interpreted to incur a cut in beneficiary incomes because it replaces "all benefits of a lesser value", which I believe is intended to convey that everyone will be brought up to that basic level while also reducing the complexity of the welfare system, but kind of elides the fact that due to the complexity of the welfare system people's welfare can be composed of multiple benefits and that in losing these smaller individual benefits they could end up with a net cut to the amount they receive and therefore end up worse off.

Ghostlight
Sep 25, 2009

maybe for one second you can pause; try to step into another person's perspective, and understand that a watermelon is cursing me



That's only because you're not thinking it more like a formal debate that occurs in a vacuum. It doesn't matter how big a pile of bullshit she serves if nobody can call her out on it during the actual event.

Ghostlight
Sep 25, 2009

maybe for one second you can pause; try to step into another person's perspective, and understand that a watermelon is cursing me



Ghostlight posted:

vote top if you're a bottom.

Ghostlight
Sep 25, 2009

maybe for one second you can pause; try to step into another person's perspective, and understand that a watermelon is cursing me



it's 2020, they can't be this incompetent and lose the election,

Ghostlight
Sep 25, 2009

maybe for one second you can pause; try to step into another person's perspective, and understand that a watermelon is cursing me



surprised to learn national have a domestic violence policy.

Ghostlight
Sep 25, 2009

maybe for one second you can pause; try to step into another person's perspective, and understand that a watermelon is cursing me



i don't remember if i ended up posting this earlier in this thread or somewhere else or at all, but everyone in top champions science and data-driven policies while also ignoring the science that shows data can be discriminatory and the data that shows science is corruptible.

Ghostlight
Sep 25, 2009

maybe for one second you can pause; try to step into another person's perspective, and understand that a watermelon is cursing me



spat can also mean argument

Ghostlight
Sep 25, 2009

maybe for one second you can pause; try to step into another person's perspective, and understand that a watermelon is cursing me



Agreeing to the referendum was a dumb move because if it fails it fails but if it succeeds it's nonbinding and NZF would've blocked the legislation anyway.

Ghostlight
Sep 25, 2009

maybe for one second you can pause; try to step into another person's perspective, and understand that a watermelon is cursing me



I don't disagree except in was this a chance to pass legislation

Ghostlight
Sep 25, 2009

maybe for one second you can pause; try to step into another person's perspective, and understand that a watermelon is cursing me



Displeased Moo Cow posted:

lol greens for thinking the nz voting public was ready for weed. how long until the next legalise it ref?
probably like three or four terms minimum unless there's a huge seachange in the rest of the world to prompt it to just be done legislatively.

Ghostlight
Sep 25, 2009

maybe for one second you can pause; try to step into another person's perspective, and understand that a watermelon is cursing me



Licarn posted:

only when beating up your children is part of good parenting
what part of physically abusing your kids to the point of police and court involvement isn't good parenting???

Ghostlight
Sep 25, 2009

maybe for one second you can pause; try to step into another person's perspective, and understand that a watermelon is cursing me



that's some, uh, very interesting phrasing around how affected christians and himself would be by laws intended to reduce hate speech.

Ghostlight
Sep 25, 2009

maybe for one second you can pause; try to step into another person's perspective, and understand that a watermelon is cursing me



i think national is worried - this is the first time i've ever gotten a cold call for the auckland candidate.

Ghostlight
Sep 25, 2009

maybe for one second you can pause; try to step into another person's perspective, and understand that a watermelon is cursing me



It is the worst kind of neoliberal capitalist hole, excepting for all the others.

Ghostlight
Sep 25, 2009

maybe for one second you can pause; try to step into another person's perspective, and understand that a watermelon is cursing me



i'm the guy checking stuff's website 45 minutes after the debate to check if all the facts are right.

Ghostlight
Sep 25, 2009

maybe for one second you can pause; try to step into another person's perspective, and understand that a watermelon is cursing me



some sly pandering there with the gerry brownlee jab

Ghostlight
Sep 25, 2009

maybe for one second you can pause; try to step into another person's perspective, and understand that a watermelon is cursing me



were the debates like no joke the highpoint of their campaign

Ghostlight
Sep 25, 2009

maybe for one second you can pause; try to step into another person's perspective, and understand that a watermelon is cursing me



Vagabundo posted:

If you had any doubts about whether or not the EMA were massive cunts, here they are, masks off.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/123020092/ema-under-fire-over-gross-employment-presentation


When you're in the voting booth, just remember this passage:
All the evidence says they're cunts, but their spokesperson says they're champions of good faith relations in the workplace, a thing that cannot exist under capitalism.

Ghostlight
Sep 25, 2009

maybe for one second you can pause; try to step into another person's perspective, and understand that a watermelon is cursing me



I think you're both right. An 'American' read of the National party regarding their promises and the governments they've run probably would conclude that they are to the left of the Republican party, but I also don't think that's necessarily an accurate reflection of most of the party members - I think if they could, they'd absolutely be pulling and passing the same kind of poo poo Republicans do but recognise that New Zealand does not have the political apparatus to allow them to do so as a minority in perpetuity. They certainly try to emulate Republicans as much as they can without losing credibility to middle UN ZED - it's why they hired their guys to curse us with John 'The Tugger' Key through the power of personality politics.

Ghostlight
Sep 25, 2009

maybe for one second you can pause; try to step into another person's perspective, and understand that a watermelon is cursing me



i haven't paid it much attention but as of like a decade ago ngos were hammering on the government for its lack of legislation and statistics on forced sterilisation of disabled women, and like five years ago ihc complained to the ombudsmen about a continued lack of effort in achieving that.


but yeah, national doesn't even want the border stopping people long enough to find out if they have a contagious disease that threatens to kill thousands of people, they're not gonna pay someone to stop them long enough to whip out their guts. they might hide it in a seasonal worker visa.

Ghostlight
Sep 25, 2009

maybe for one second you can pause; try to step into another person's perspective, and understand that a watermelon is cursing me



eight more seats for act and we could have our first second seymour parliament.

Ghostlight
Sep 25, 2009

maybe for one second you can pause; try to step into another person's perspective, and understand that a watermelon is cursing me



https://twitter.com/krisgest/status/1314439646365904898?s=20

Ghostlight
Sep 25, 2009

maybe for one second you can pause; try to step into another person's perspective, and understand that a watermelon is cursing me



gangs are part of the community

Ghostlight
Sep 25, 2009

maybe for one second you can pause; try to step into another person's perspective, and understand that a watermelon is cursing me



alright who has another sample of chris' handwriting.

Ghostlight
Sep 25, 2009

maybe for one second you can pause; try to step into another person's perspective, and understand that a watermelon is cursing me



"Earn it" says the generation who worships passive income sources.

Ghostlight
Sep 25, 2009

maybe for one second you can pause; try to step into another person's perspective, and understand that a watermelon is cursing me



it's worth noting that the election fraud he was referring to was weaponised misinformation over social media platforms like, say, twitter; not voter fraud.

Ghostlight
Sep 25, 2009

maybe for one second you can pause; try to step into another person's perspective, and understand that a watermelon is cursing me



you're comparing crabapples and coconuts.

1.44m is auckland's urban population - that is, the sum total of all the people who live in auckland city and its associated suburbs.

that wikipedia1 list is of the populations of a single incorporated place. san diego city has a population of 1.4m, but san diego's urban population is 2.9m. dallas city has a population of 1.3m, but dallas' urban population is 5.1m.




1 wikipedia is not a source

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Ghostlight
Sep 25, 2009

maybe for one second you can pause; try to step into another person's perspective, and understand that a watermelon is cursing me



karen karen karen karen.

four hundred dollars??

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