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I think it benefitted USPOL a good deal. I don't really post there but I read it sometimes, and did again to see specifically how slowmode affected it. That thread moves very quickly but only because a lot of the posts therein are actually and legitimately contentless, and the timer absolutely helped with that. The other threads don't seem to get enough traffic (even during a big event) to have warranted it. I think having an automated slowmode where if people are dumping X number of posts into a thread within timeframe Y it triggers slowmode for Z hours would be ideal and not have to be managed individually, but I would understand if that's not on the table for these old forums.
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Slowmode definitely cut down on white noise posting. Also gives an incentive to post a separate thread on a topic if there's too much meat on the bone for a 10 minute timer.
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Gros Tarla posted:I mean, I assume if that's the end goal, it would probably be easier to just escalate probations/bans to the usual suspects coming on to get their daily sixer harvest. It would very much not be easier. Whatever you think of “the usual suspects”—and based on how many people ITT are here to talk about how the mods should actually be bringing down the hammer on this group of ne’er-do-wells, it seems clear you all know who you’re talking about even if I don’t—the fact remains that doing something as a mod often prompts a response, whereas you can see that lots of people just chose to post much less with slow mode active. Making it less fun to post by adding a minor speedbump in the middle of active conversations is a solid way to get people to post less without causing a lot of drama and headaches, so it’s a win-win for the mods. The mod team being more punitive and exiling more posters will cause an exceptional amount of drama and more posts, across more forums, and it still probably won’t get those posters to go away because most of us have terminal online brain and need to post to live.
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Sep 21, 2020 21:21
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I think it is definitely a good idea, but the timer is too long. As someone that has been on the receiving end of a dogpile, I can say it would cut back on out of control discussions where people are replying to your previous post as you're posting responding to a post and you've got to fend off five people at once, or noise posts where people just emptyquote or post 'lol', but ten minutes is about twice as long as it should be.
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Sep 21, 2020 21:27
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Somewhere around 2-5 seems like it would be better to create good conversation rather than stifle it. 10 seems a tad long.
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Sep 21, 2020 21:31
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Personally, the only effect of slow mode for me, was hearing it existed and me choosing to go do something else other than hit f5 repeatedly. I agree with the other posters who said ~5 minutes seems a bit more reasonable.
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Sep 21, 2020 22:09
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As a recent arrivee to the Polliwonks thread I found the 10 minute timer marginally interfering and it did cancel a couple of white-noise-adjacent remarks from me. I think that making it 5 minutes would be a good balance if that is achievable; if it had been eight minutes I would have probably never noticed it, given my leisurely posting lifestyle. As for whether it is good or bad, I guess it depends, but it did seem to reduce the slapfight intensity.
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Sep 21, 2020 22:47
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I think it's stupid and pointless. We aren't a global parliament deciding things we're on an internet forum. Just let people post. When a group of posters want to argue about things let them argue in real time. This will just kill debate.
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Sep 21, 2020 23:12
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I view D&D as fundamentally broken as mods can't seem to control it for lack of numbers and lack of consistency /enforcement. A timer control helps that first part. If you have a meatier discussion take it out of us Pol where frankly more people will read it. There's no good reason everything needs to be in one thread. As far as slow mode if people noticed less poo poo posting as I did, then it's a massive success. If you want a chat room, post in one.
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Sep 22, 2020 00:10
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I think it's good to have a timer, but something like 5 minutes would be better.
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Sep 22, 2020 00:11
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Slow mode is good. I think it's made things better. The only time it stopped me from making a post was to say "Ireland" to answer a question and I got beaten by someone else saying "Ireland".
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Sep 22, 2020 00:50
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Jarmak posted:Slowmode definitely cut down on white noise posting. Yeah I felt safer in being able to contribute to USPol thanks to the slowdown.
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Sep 22, 2020 01:00
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Not sure if it mattered in polliwonks but I think slowing down high speed threads is likely more beneficial than not and if it's "stifling debate" then start another thread for that debate so it can have the room, attention, and speed it apparently needs.
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Sep 22, 2020 01:04
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yes, Let us Wonderous news 
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Sep 22, 2020 01:05
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if 6 posts an hour in one thread on an internet forum is not enough posts then you're probably posting too much, imo Theres a Discord if you want to exchange short golfclaps immediately
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Sep 22, 2020 01:12
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Neurolimal posted:if 6 posts an hour in one thread on an internet forum is not enough posts then you're probably posting too much, imo Its more for continuity. Discussions are strangulated because I literally cant respond for 10 mins. And then he cant respond for 10 mins, etc. so dogpiling is actually exacerbated because each post is worth way more that they were before.
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Sep 22, 2020 01:21
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fool of sound posted:With that in mind, we would like to know: I did not encounter slow mode myself. I don't engage in debate as vigorously as others, at least not enough to trip the timer. I did not feel that thread quality changed at all. I'm still skimming a lot of posts. I think slow mode can best be utilized in the most highly trafficked threads, but they need a longer timer. 10 minutes isn't enough, it's gotta be more like 30, maybe more. I feel threads like USPol and the 2020 General go by too fast, even a 10 minute hold isn't enough. If a major event happens, I expect a slow down to reduce the number of posts, but as we saw with RGB's death that was not the case, all the relevant threads were as fast as ever.
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Sep 22, 2020 01:30
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Slowmode is cool but punishing contentless posts would be better and more effective in the long run
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Sep 22, 2020 01:47
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I only had my posts limited by slow mode once, but that's probably because I tend to write longer posts and have been posting less frequently lately to begin with; the one time I did have to wait, though, was rather frustrating because I wanted to clarify something after a misunderstanding and had to wait while more posts piled up. Either way, it's not going to fix things here because it doesn't address the real problems at all.
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Thanks to everyone who's provided feedback so far; once the mods have time to read and discuss it a bit, we'll comment more. I'm going to ask if a shorter cooldown is on the table. I've also been told IKs cannot toggle slow mode, only mods.
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Sep 22, 2020 02:49
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It was much, much easier to read the thread this past weekend when there weren’t a million people just constantly white noise doomposting or having the same slapfight over and over again.
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Sep 22, 2020 05:07
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I hate it, and I don't even post a lot. One of the best things about message boards is simultaneous reactions of big events, just feels so authentic, for lack of a better term. While USPOL is my main source of news, it's not an actual news outlet. The poo poo-posting gives the content a life and human feel that an RSS feed doesn't have. I might scroll past a couple pages of derails or slap-fights that I don't personally find interesting, but I like the choice of being able to read them or not. Long-term, posting will just become even more homogenous. And from a business model perspective, shouldn't the goal be to drive up posting/engagement and get people to spend money on the site (ownership issue notwithstanding)? I'm not sure how discouraging posting is good for a message board long term. Less posting leads to less viewing and presumably less ad revenue or product buys. Obviously, content restrictions are necessary, but overall usage restrictions seem counter productive.
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Sep 22, 2020 07:47
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Didn't post but did lurk, thought it was a good idea, the idiot white noise posts were cut down but it wasn't like discussion suffered. Probably would result in more effortposts if implemented longterm. It's not like SA is lacking in places to have fun casually shitposting, or even specifically casually shitposting about politics, and I think having a few places where posters are encouraged to be a little more thoughtful is good. I would favor making it permanent (in some threads, leave others "live" for having fun posting as election results come in or whatever). Agree that the long term solution is just more moderation though. Fill Baptismal fucked around with this message at 10:04 on Sep 22, 2020 |
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Sep 22, 2020 10:02
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thank you for reducing the number of posts in uspol
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Sep 22, 2020 11:11
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It worked resonably well from a mostly lurking point of view. The discussion quality went up and the white noise lovely posting went down.
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Sep 22, 2020 11:33
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It was a good idea. It should be implemented for USPOL again as soon as possible.
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Sep 22, 2020 12:07
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Issue: The “time until you can post” listed for Slow Mode is in central time. Problem: Central time doesn’t exist. No one lives there. It’s a barren wasteland with a hut labeled “something awful llc” because if your hut is in a barren wasteland you have more money for pills. Solution: Change it to eastern time (preferable) or user’s time zone.
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Sep 22, 2020 12:38
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evilweasel posted:Issue: The “time until you can post” listed for Slow Mode is in central time. East coast elitism right here folks. Real americans use mountain time or pacific time.
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Sep 22, 2020 15:24
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Just use GMT so no one is happy.
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Sep 22, 2020 15:38
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evilweasel posted:Issue: The “time until you can post” listed for Slow Mode is in central time.
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Sep 22, 2020 20:05
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fool of sound posted:First, some technical limitations: Just wanna say that these are issues that can be solved with some fairly simple scripting that wouldn't need to be done by The Admins. Of course, volunteer moderators probably shouldn't be expected to write up Python web scrapers or whatever for free.
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Sep 22, 2020 21:25
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The post timer is good in USPOL. One addition I would make is for every Tweet someone puts into the thread without commentary, they personally get one day added on to their timer. Post a tweet, you can't post again for a day. Fourteen contextless tweets in one post? Two weeks for you! And no bullshit "not an empty quote" weaseling.
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Sep 22, 2020 22:14
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Slow mode is good and there should be more of it.
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Sep 23, 2020 15:25
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I've been thinking about my post from yesterday about tweets. I was being sort of tongue in cheek there but now that I think about it, why is posting tweets without any commentary or context allowed in USPol? Obviously if you are posting a tweet there, you are expecting it to spark some sort of discussion, so why aren't you participating in the discussion? If you're posting it just to provide "news" to people, there is a thread for that, although it has no posts since June 1st, because why would you post a tweet there when you can dump it in USPol? This relates back to slow mode, because people who just dump tweets every few minutes will need to put more tweets per post now, making it more messy. I'd have ideally posted this in QCS, but that forum is a complete waste.
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Sep 23, 2020 15:50
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beejay posted:I've been thinking about my post from yesterday about tweets. I was being sort of tongue in cheek there but now that I think about it, why is posting tweets without any commentary or context allowed in USPol? Obviously if you are posting a tweet there, you are expecting it to spark some sort of discussion, so why aren't you participating in the discussion? If you're posting it just to provide "news" to people, there is a thread for that, although it has no posts since June 1st, because why would you post a tweet there when you can dump it in USPol? This is a fair point. We're planning to do a series of feedback threads on other topics, and I'll make sure to include this.
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beejay posted:I've been thinking about my post from yesterday about tweets. I was being sort of tongue in cheek there but now that I think about it, why is posting tweets without any commentary or context allowed in USPol? Obviously if you are posting a tweet there, you are expecting it to spark some sort of discussion, so why aren't you participating in the discussion? If you're posting it just to provide "news" to people, there is a thread for that, although it has no posts since June 1st, because why would you post a tweet there when you can dump it in USPol? fool of sound posted:This is a fair point. We're planning to do a series of feedback threads on other topics, and I'll make sure to include this. QCS has a bad rap, but it has been unusually productive in the last few months. For sure it has come up with a ton of bad ideas, but it has actually started also coming up with good ones. I think it would actually make a lot of sense for the mods to take a look at what has been suggested in QCS and take a bunch of suggestions (and the arguments behind them) from it and present them for discussion in D&D, where they can be fine tuned as appropriate.
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beejay posted:If you're posting it just to provide "news" to people This is exactly the purpose of posting a tweet about important breaking news. If its relevant to the topic of the thread, then they are, in and of themselves without any need for more commentary, content. People who post lovely pointless tweets from stupid people can already possibly be probed for that. If Trump does something really stupid that people need to be aware of and which will spark discussion, then why is simply posting that tweet a bad thing? This seems to be a really silly thing to complain about compared to slap fights and message board grudges being hashed out, its not like we are dealing with a plague of news tweets.
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Sep 23, 2020 17:33
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Emptyquoting a tweet isn't much different from emptyquoting a post, and if the tweet links to something substantial you could just link to that instead
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Sep 23, 2020 19:16
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Rigel posted:This is exactly the purpose of posting a tweet about important breaking news. If its relevant to the topic of the thread, then they are, in and of themselves without any need for more commentary, content. People who post lovely pointless tweets from stupid people can already possibly be probed for that. I can find my own news. If someone wants me to read something, they need to tell me why they think it's worthy of being read or talked about. If it's worthy of being read or talked about, why doesn't the person sharing it have anything to say? That's the only point I'm trying to get across. Since there will be a future feedback thread on tweets specifically we can look forward to that.
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I literally didn't notice Slow Mode at all and didn't know it was even a thing until I saw this thread.
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