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bradzilla
Oct 15, 2004

Yeah, but you scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could that they didn't stop to think if they should.


I spent basically the entirety of my 20s stoned out of my loving mind. Basically if I wasn't working, I was smoking weed. I got fat as hell from eating thousands of calories of trash foods from the munchies every day. My memory started turning to poo poo. A couple years ago, I started taking month long breaks in the hopes that it would lower tolerance and maybe heal my memory some.

The memory problems started weighing on me more and more, as well as the literal weight. I managed to drop the weight and get in shape, but am still constantly frustrated by short term memory problems.

Today has been 26 days since I last smoked. I feel like I've finally accepted that weed and I no longer get along. I'm thinking it will be an indefinite thing. Maybe quiting permanently, or at worst making it a holiday/special occasion sort of thing.

I don't want to post in TCC because of the widely accepted perception that weed has no side effects. It clearly does and I can't do it anymore. Honestly it hasn't even been hard to stop. I wanted to. While it's not a physical addiction like a lot of hard drugs, the habit is still hard to kick completely.

I guess I'm just looking for experiences with quitting it. Will my short term memory ever recover? I can walk into a room for something, and forget why I went there. It's very frustrating.

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Canine Blues Arooo
Jan 7, 2008

when you think about it...i'm the first girl you ever spent the night with



Grimey Drawer

I quit pretty much cold turkey when my therapist said so. There is apparently a growing body of evidence that long-term usage of weed exacerbates anxiety issues which is kind of why I was in therapy to begin with, so that was that.

I feel like after a few months, I was basically back to where I was pre-weed. It's hard to say definitively because one's experience is hard to evaluate objectively, but I don't feel like I've experienced major long term effects. I also used a less than you though. I was way more casual where I'd basically get stoned before playing games but I'd be sober during the 9-5 of most days. YMMV.

DickParasite
Dec 2, 2004



Slippery Tilde

We've got a decent recovery thread in TCC that I'm sure you'd be welcome in. A fair portion of its users still smoke, but I doubt anyone would argue that it's addictive. There's also /r/leaves on Reddit.

Weed was never my thing and I don't want to make your thread about me, so I'll just say good on you for being proactive any your mental and physical health.

The_dude_abides
Nov 27, 2015



I've been in a similar position where I was a long term weed smoker that has completely quit for some periods. I quit for 4 months, 6 months, and in between losing my last dealer and Canada legalizing coast to coast, quit for 8 months. From my experience, drinking lots of water, working out a lot, generally cleaning the system like hitting the sauna can make a big difference to my brain. I have heard that for a heavy user, 3 months is the point where it's cleaned out of the system completely.

I feel you completely on anxiety and short term memory. Those got better for sure after abstinence. Even things like speaking quicker and thinking without the fog went away after about a month. I was trying this page of difficult tongue twisters and had no problem with them after thirty days abstinence, lots of working out and all that.

Despite what a lot of people say, I think weed has a definite effect on mental health and overall cognitive functioning. The only way to know is to be completely abstinent for 3 months or so and compare how your functioning and anxiety is compared to using. It can differ from person to person, but I'd say a few months abstinence is probably a good baseline.

I still use sometimes, but mostly try to think of myself more as someone who shouldn't use who slips sometimes instead of a user that quits what I really want to be doing if that makes sense. Acknowledging weed as a drug that can have negative effects and taking it seriously even if it isn't a hard drug is a healthy attitude IMO.

Spinz
Jan 7, 2020



Ok kick rear end

You are only 26 days in
Go another month and see how you feel!!!
I bet you are better, and then again better still in another month.
This is getting your brain a new bod too, I'm excited for you!!! And your girlfriend must be an awesome woman

Famethrowa
Oct 5, 2012



THC is profoundly psychoactive, and acts on a part of the endocannabinoid system we still barely understand. anyone claiming that it is purely "harmless" is a grade A idiot. I smoke occasionally for pain relief, but am well aware that I am running some risks here.

I've quit it various times throughout my 20s, and have been an hourly smoker at points. I definitely noticed a return in cognitive functioning after a couple months of dropping the habit. that seems to track with other people in the thread, which is pretty neat.

Famethrowa
Oct 5, 2012



poo poo, can't edit, meant to wish you luck on staying off of it.

mkay0
Nov 7, 2003

I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher
2010, watch it go to fire


Spinz posted:

You are only 26 days in
Go another month and see how you feel!!!

Or, another day. Then another one, and so on.

bradzilla
Oct 15, 2004

Yeah, but you scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could that they didn't stop to think if they should.


Thanks for the posts everyone. Taking it day by day used to be a thing in the midst of when I smoked all day every day. I forgot to mention that for the last several years, I cut my smoking back to 2 - 3 days a week, and only in the evening. While this improved my tolerance, it did nothing to help with my memory and I would still binge on garbage food while high. I don't even want to smoke anymore. I want my brain to heal and my memory to improve back to a near normal level. I'm going to continue on with not smoking.

I think the longest break I've taken was something like 32 days. Looking forward to getting to 90.

Mythical Moderate
Jul 5, 2002

My heart and actions are utterly unclouded. They are all those of 'Justice'.






I didn't really smoke in my 20s but did in my 30s when it became legal here. Coupled with my ADD it's not a great combo for short term memory and concentration. I had to go cold turkey 6 weeks ago for a new job with constant random drug testing. The last 2 weeks have been a bit rough trying to learn new skills on the job while my brain gets back to normal. Just keep going, eventually you'll get back to a more 'normal' state. I'd also recommend practicing yogic belly breathing techniques to aid the process. Good luck!

Cached Money
Apr 11, 2010

respect the game and the game will respect you back


Quitting weed is pretty easy, just don't smoke it lol!!! But on a more serious note, yeah your minor cognitive deficits will get better pretty soon. Honestly I think a lot of them come from not exercising your brain enough, try to challenge yourself often in your day to day life, do memory exercises, etc. 1-3 months with no weed will probably be enough to reset your brain.

bradzilla
Oct 15, 2004

Yeah, but you scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could that they didn't stop to think if they should.


I installed lumosity on my phone. Who knows if it actually helps, but I play and watch the numbers go up.

keanureeves99
Jan 23, 2014

Guess where this lollipop's going?

I smoke pretty regularly, but take 1-2 week breaks every other month or so. Short term memory improves, no effect on long-term memory. Pretty sure that you just end up remembering stuff worse overall while you're actually stoned. I'm in good shape and have a pretty good diet, which I think probably helps.

My memory has always been pretty sharp, so It's hard to say whether it was weed or "not giving a poo poo about stuff" that had the bigger effect. What I find, mostly, is that it drains my energy and motivation. Enough about me, though. There's a definite link between physical and mental health, so I have big respect for anyone trying to make an improvement.

Inverted Icon
Apr 8, 2020


I'm about 30 days in. I've started dreaming again

KOTEX GOD OF BLOOD
Jul 7, 2012



Inverted Icon posted:

I'm about 30 days in. I've started dreaming again
Yeah that happens and the dreams can be weird and scary and very vivid at first, but that does go away, just gotta soldier through.

keanureeves99
Jan 23, 2014

Guess where this lollipop's going?

I must not be that heavy a smoker... Usually only takes me a day or two before the dreams come back

bradzilla
Oct 15, 2004

Yeah, but you scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could that they didn't stop to think if they should.


Yeah I've been dreaming for a while, and they are extremely vivid and strange. I wouldn't call them nightmares, but when I wake up and remember a dream it's usually like "what the everliving gently caress was that?" Before completely forgetting it 5 minutes later. I haven't had anything resembling a pleasant dream yet.

Inverted Icon
Apr 8, 2020


I love my newly sober dreams. They feel so significant, and after years without them, it's a real trip. My uber driver, upon learning my sign, even told me that I'd soon be inundated with prophetic dreams

I'm in a new city, and whenever I realize I'm walking past someone smoking, either by sight or smell, I start singing the song from Holes.

CmdrRiker
Apr 8, 2016

You dismally untalented little creep!

I'm always left wondering if the improved memory is a result from quitting weed or a result from the catalyst for change that also makes you end up quitting weed.

Inverted Icon posted:

My uber driver, upon learning my sign, even told me that I'd soon be inundated with prophetic dreams

Whoa. I hope you left them a good tip.

KOTEX GOD OF BLOOD
Jul 7, 2012



bradzilla posted:

Yeah I've been dreaming for a while, and they are extremely vivid and strange. I wouldn't call them nightmares, but when I wake up and remember a dream it's usually like "what the everliving gently caress was that?" Before completely forgetting it 5 minutes later. I haven't had anything resembling a pleasant dream yet.
Yeah I had one where I was in middle school except tiger woods was the teacher and he showed everyone my porn

hi liter
Oct 2, 2010



I kicked it for a few months but the covid lockdown brought it back. Iím cutting back again with the goal of getting down to very minimal smoking. I doubt Iíll be a ďneverĒ guy, but I barely drink anymore (1-2 drinks a month) and it would be nice to have weed be like that, rather than a constant stoner thing.

iamsosmrt
Jun 14, 2008



Good on you OP. I legit started smoking weed regularly for the first time because of the COVID lockdown. At 36, i went most of my 20s rarely smoking it and didn't really start even seeking it out until 2 years ago. After it turned into a daily habit, i was having a pretty great time until i noticed my highs were slowly diminishing in potency.

At some point I tried to drop it cold turkey, I think in early July, and that might've been one of the most painful days I've ever had. While that incident confirmed for me I need to cut back, I smoked every day ever since until yesterday when i came down with a really bad flu. Today's the longest I've gone without weed since March and I'm a little happy with myself. I'll see how long I'll drag this out.

Vietnamwees
May 8, 2008


Quitters never prosper.

Remember that.

Queering Wheel
Jun 18, 2011



I've smoked weed just about every day for nearly two years now. It doesn't make me feel as good as it used to, but it's my routine. It may not be physically addictive, but whenever I've tried to even take a short break, I cave and start again after a few days because I miss how relaxed it makes me feel. Part of why I do it is that I haven't suffered any major consequences, other than oversleeping for work a few times, which isn't a huge deal. We're allowed a decent amount of unscheduled absences per year. My main issues with it are that it's not as potent anymore and that I know I could be doing more productive things with my time.

I'm proud of those here who have quit or at least reduced their intake, and I know that it would be better for me in the long run. I just need to do it. I think I'll discuss the topic with my therapist in our next session.

KOTEX GOD OF BLOOD
Jul 7, 2012



Weed is most definitely physically addictive, you do deal with withdrawal symptoms when you stop smoking, it's just that they are far, far milder than for pretty much any other drug, and max out at "irritability, trouble sleeping, everything seems boring."

The Breakfast Sampler
Jan 1, 2006




I gave it up over summer, although I've mostly given it up for this moment (if not permanently.) Went through some not-great life stuff and I was doing a little too much wake and bake. I've done this a couple of times, but I think it's been about 6 weeks now, if at all? But mostly longer, more like 3 months.

Do what works for you OP. I definitely needed a break. It's good for a lot of people but it's not quite harmless either (IMO, don't yell at me please.) I'm still not getting enough done, I hate stark reality but sometimes you gotta go visit it? Or at least I did.

keanureeves99
Jan 23, 2014

Guess where this lollipop's going?

KOTEX GOD OF BLOOD posted:

Weed is most definitely physically addictive, you do deal with withdrawal symptoms when you stop smoking, it's just that they are far, far milder than for pretty much any other drug, and max out at "irritability, trouble sleeping, everything seems boring."

You're just playing semantics. Boredom is not a physical withdrawal symptom

Motherfucker
Jul 16, 2011



keanureeves99 posted:

You're just playing semantics. Boredom is not a physical withdrawal symptom

he said, ignoring the physical symptoms presented for some reason?


Anyway I get on a political level why weed people try and present weed as an angel miracle heaven cure to contrast the devils of caffeine and alcohol but like... be real.


Anyway legalize hallucinogenics tbh.

Sid Vicious
Jan 1, 1970



I successfully quit smoking for a year because I developed CHS which from what I can tell basically when cannibinoids leave my body my digestive system completely shuts down, and if I regularly smoke too much I get violently ill. I started smoking again because I'm an idiot but I manage it a lot better and have avoided getting sick at all for the entirety of quarantine which was what brought about regular smoking again for me. But man yeah the memory you get back and dreaming at night and stuff, maybe I should take a break again.

Mythical Moderate
Jul 5, 2002

My heart and actions are utterly unclouded. They are all those of 'Justice'.






Motherfucker posted:

Anyway legalize hallucinogenics tbh.

bradzilla
Oct 15, 2004

Yeah, but you scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could that they didn't stop to think if they should.


I hung out with my (now ex I suppose) smoking buddy last night. He's older and has smoked daily for a lot longer than I have. He's really overweight and his memory issues are extremely apparent. Like I haven't smoked in over 30 days now and I've made clear several times to him where I'm at with it. And he still brought some weed and gummies and presented them as gifts to me. He's not the type to try to get someone to do something they don't want to, he just straight up forgets. And claims he's not having any memory issues.

No real point to this post, except to say it made me sad? He's clearly in a worse position than I am and just doesn't realize it. 😕

Justin Credible
Aug 27, 2003

happy cat




Been smoking daily for more or less uh 20, maybe more years now? I took 3 month break in my early twenties and didn't really notice any difference. I likely have at least mild ADD and have also likely had undiagnosed clinical depression for many years, worse at some points than others.

I don't seem to suffer real short term memory problems except when actively stoned but even that isn't a sure thing. It helps keep my stress level down and is a venting cap for the default emotional state I have of 'an ocean of undifferentiated rage' or something along those lines. I changed up my diet and started exercising more recently.

You just gotta do what feels right for you, everyone is going to have different personal reactions and relationships with these substances.

keanureeves99
Jan 23, 2014

Guess where this lollipop's going?

Motherfucker posted:

he said, ignoring the physical symptoms presented for some reason?


Anyway I get on a political level why weed people try and present weed as an angel miracle heaven cure to contrast the devils of caffeine and alcohol but like... be real.


Anyway legalize hallucinogenics tbh.

insomnia and irritability aren't physical withdrawal symptoms either. they're side effects. go look it up man

DickParasite
Dec 2, 2004



Slippery Tilde

For me learning to deal with boredom was the hardest part of sobriety. I still struggle with it sometimes but I've learned to keep myself busy with hobbies. It gets better OP.

fat bossy gerbil
Jul 1, 2007



Smoking weed just makes me anxious now after quitting for a few years, which is ironic considering how many times I had anxiety from not having weed before that. A single puff is enough to make my chest tight and my thoughts race. Taking two or three will give me a full blown panic attack. Since I quit Iíve had several people say ďoh you just gotta try this strain bro itís great for anxiety, pure sativa/indica dudeĒ and every time Iíve been dumb enough to take their word for it I wind up hyperventilating and pacing around outside desperate to come down.

Cached Money
Apr 11, 2010

respect the game and the game will respect you back


fat bossy gerbil posted:

Smoking weed just makes me anxious now after quitting for a few years, which is ironic considering how many times I had anxiety from not having weed before that. A single puff is enough to make my chest tight and my thoughts race. Taking two or three will give me a full blown panic attack. Since I quit Iíve had several people say ďoh you just gotta try this strain bro itís great for anxiety, pure sativa/indica dudeĒ and every time Iíve been dumb enough to take their word for it I wind up hyperventilating and pacing around outside desperate to come down.

I've heard this "I can't smoke weed anymore" thing so many times, it's very intriguing to me, if you don't mind me asking, how has your relationship with alcohol been, especially since you quit weed?

fat bossy gerbil
Jul 1, 2007



I was an occasional social drinker but I always preferred smoking. I moved out west right after I graduated high school and I kept drinking socially, especially in my college years, but only very rarely would I drink alone and if I did it was to sample something fancy. My hippy years were a way of trying to outrun my depression by surrounding myself with the ďgood vibesĒ crowd. It worked for a while, mainly because I lived life in a haze, but after the college years had passed me by and my friend group started to move on I couldnít outrun it anymore. By my mid 20s I was suicidal and incapable of caring for myself so I had to move back to the Midwest to live with my parents.

Since I couldnít buy it at a store anymore I had to rely on sketchy people I knew in high school. I hate drug dealers and I dreaded running out. The drive back to my parents house was a nightmare, just knowing that one bored cop could land me in jail for a single joint. So I stopped smoking. It just wasnít worth the hassle and the risk anymore.

I was unemployed and living in my parents basement so naturally I started drinking. I had nothing to do and nowhere to go so I quickly became a barfly after reconnecting with old friends. One of my equally depressed friends from high school would come over and we would kill a handle of cheap whiskey every night we werenít at the bar. I lived like that for a year and a half. Eventually I met a girl at the bar and we quickly bonded over our mutual depression and binge drinking. She was cold and distant and bossy. She smoked like a chimney and didnít really appreciate me or treat me very well but I fell deeply in love anyhow. In her own broken way she loved me too.

She made me get a job and haircut and introduced me to cardigans and corduroy. The Grateful Dead shirts and secondhand jeans had to go. We got a place together and after we settled into domestic life the drinking died down a lot. Once or twice a week. We stopped going to the bar all the time. We had a couple good years together there. I was as close to happy as Iíve ever been.

Then she left right before New Years and Iíve been back in the bottle ever since, especially after I lost my job to Covid. I do a day on day off system because my body canít handle it like it used to now that Iím a few months shy of 30. But when I do drink I drink until I canít feel anymore. And the days that I donít drink I mostly spend in bed. Iíll wind up back in the hospital soon. I can feel it coming.

keanureeves99
Jan 23, 2014

Guess where this lollipop's going?

fat bossy gerbil posted:

I was an occasional social drinker but I always preferred smoking. I moved out west right after I graduated high school and I kept drinking socially, especially in my college years, but only very rarely would I drink alone and if I did it was to sample something fancy. My hippy years were a way of trying to outrun my depression by surrounding myself with the ďgood vibesĒ crowd. It worked for a while, mainly because I lived life in a haze, but after the college years had passed me by and my friend group started to move on I couldnít outrun it anymore. By my mid 20s I was suicidal and incapable of caring for myself so I had to move back to the Midwest to live with my parents.

Since I couldnít buy it at a store anymore I had to rely on sketchy people I knew in high school. I hate drug dealers and I dreaded running out. The drive back to my parents house was a nightmare, just knowing that one bored cop could land me in jail for a single joint. So I stopped smoking. It just wasnít worth the hassle and the risk anymore.

I was unemployed and living in my parents basement so naturally I started drinking. I had nothing to do and nowhere to go so I quickly became a barfly after reconnecting with old friends. One of my equally depressed friends from high school would come over and we would kill a handle of cheap whiskey every night we werenít at the bar. I lived like that for a year and a half. Eventually I met a girl at the bar and we quickly bonded over our mutual depression and binge drinking. She was cold and distant and bossy. She smoked like a chimney and didnít really appreciate me or treat me very well but I fell deeply in love anyhow. In her own broken way she loved me too.

She made me get a job and haircut and introduced me to cardigans and corduroy. The Grateful Dead shirts and secondhand jeans had to go. We got a place together and after we settled into domestic life the drinking died down a lot. Once or twice a week. We stopped going to the bar all the time. We had a couple good years together there. I was as close to happy as Iíve ever been.

Then she left right before New Years and Iíve been back in the bottle ever since, especially after I lost my job to Covid. I do a day on day off system because my body canít handle it like it used to now that Iím a few months shy of 30. But when I do drink I drink until I canít feel anymore. And the days that I donít drink I mostly spend in bed. Iíll wind up back in the hospital soon. I can feel it coming.

sounds like maybe the severe emotional distress, and not the weed, is what makes you anxious. Sorry about the depression, try seeing a psychiatrist. Whatever they give you couldn't be worse than alcohol

Cached Money
Apr 11, 2010

respect the game and the game will respect you back


keanureeves99 posted:

sounds like maybe the severe emotional distress, and not the weed, is what makes you anxious. Sorry about the depression, try seeing a psychiatrist. Whatever they give you couldn't be worse than alcohol

Yeah this sort of story is sort of what I expected, it seems there is a pattern.

To fat bossy gerbil:
You should absolutely see a psychiatrist to get you of the booze, and also a psychologist to get some therapy! Maybe you can enjoy weed again in the future, if you want to partake that is. Life gets better, keep fighting and try to drink less if you can.

Also thank you for your detailed answer to my question!

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Famethrowa
Oct 5, 2012



depression is a mix of mindset, behavior and chemicals in your brain. the mix of chemicals seems to be influenced by genetics, mindset, behavior, and the environment your brain grew up in.

that is to say, generalizing it to just be "mindset and behavior" is super unhelpful and inaccurate. you are ignoring the fundamental chemical component of your brain's receptors. adding a profound psychoactive chemical just totally changes the equation, and could have hugely exacerbated the situation. it's a total chicken and the egg situation, and it is very possible the cannabinoids were triggering an anxiety reaction that cascaded down to all the rest of their life. (or, the absence of weed caused all the stored up anxiety and blocked feelings to come tumbling down at once rather then being dealt with through the course of time..)

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