Register a SA Forums Account here!
JOINING THE SA FORUMS WILL REMOVE THIS BIG AD, THE ANNOYING UNDERLINED ADS, AND STUPID INTERSTITIAL ADS!!!

You can: log in, read the tech support FAQ, or request your lost password. This dumb message (and those ads) will appear on every screen until you register! Get rid of this crap by registering your own SA Forums Account and joining roughly 150,000 Goons, for the one-time price of $9.95! We charge money because it costs us money per month for bills, and since we don't believe in showing ads to our users, we try to make the money back through forum registrations.
 
  • Post
  • Reply
Cybernetic Vermin
Apr 18, 2005



Pittsburgh Fentanyl Cloud posted:

I don't think he's getting in even if he does technically win.

The GOP will openly steal the election and tell everyone they had to do it to save the country from the mob / communists / antifa / blm, and nothing will come of it.

the main reason to expect this not to happen is that a lot of real powers behind the curtain would prefer biden (or are indifferent enough not to tolerate the mess). for example the actual rulers of the mic.

Adbot
ADBOT LOVES YOU

Cybernetic Vermin
Apr 18, 2005



infernal machines posted:

"actually, i believe in a shadowy cabal of powerful men ruling the nation in secret, i also believe that these men are the best hope for the future of america"

my post was very much intended to paint the real situation as worse than the simple electoral politics covers. and it is hardly controversial that moneyed interests have more direct power over america than the elected government, with a key mean being having very firm control of what kind of person actually gets elected.

Cybernetic Vermin
Apr 18, 2005



infernal machines posted:

i'd say that's either untrue or they're perfectly fine with a person like trump being president, either way it seems foolish to hold out hope that some cabal of elites will somehow save america from itself

it is actually somewhat heartening how you manage to keep reading "get biden elected" as "save america", so i'll leave you holding that belief.

Cybernetic Vermin
Apr 18, 2005



endlessmonotony posted:

Do you like lefty shitposting with "get the gently caress out of here nazi" being something the nazis hear every time they just ask questions?

with the additional warning that in 2020 it is pretty blackpilled. not without cause of course, but for a lot of people it will pretty much not be healthy to read.

Cybernetic Vermin
Apr 18, 2005



obviously even without malice you wouldn't let this system respond to any subset of a request which just pours a bunch of keywords in.

plus lf went down for other, even dumber, reasons. it is just a pretty pointless conspiracy theory.

Cybernetic Vermin
Apr 18, 2005



drawing the conclusion "of course we can annex canada" based on the argument "just look how many bombs we have" is very much the recipe for all the american military failures over the past 70 years writ large.

otoh i understand the impulse to state the problems in as large a form as possible, since the much more likely outcome, that things will slowly but deliberately get worse without any real cataclysmic events, is more distinctly depressing.

Cybernetic Vermin
Apr 18, 2005



Fabricated posted:

I get tired of hearing about the electoral college because dealing with that is like 20 imaginary steps ahead.

You know what you have to do in order to eliminate the electoral college? you have to loving win elections!!

trying to go to the moon by climbing higher in the tree. while also advising others not to reflect on that plan.

Cybernetic Vermin
Apr 18, 2005



The_Franz posted:

stonks up bigly, economy is fixed!

they're up because wall street is exuberant over the idea of a senile neoliberal president + gridlocked congress who will get nothing done and let them pillage freely

yeah, any actually stable outcome is good for the stock market really. and things are looking to turn pretty stable (i.e. continued gently caress-you-capitalism and bombing bolivia or whatever)

Cybernetic Vermin
Apr 18, 2005



bump_fn posted:

can i get a drinking republican tears gif

i fear there's only two republican reactions in general: those (secretly) pleased about it, and those thoroughly enjoying being outraged about it.

Cybernetic Vermin
Apr 18, 2005



Stringent posted:

Can we please just have this moment to celebrate without you people coming in to doomify everything? Please?

is this meant to be a joke or is there some doom here that i am not seeing?

Cybernetic Vermin
Apr 18, 2005



just close the thread until aoc's primary challenge against kamala in 2024.

Cybernetic Vermin
Apr 18, 2005



until some evidence is provided i am going to believe that it was hunter s. thompson that created that myth, like quite a few other drug-related urban legends.

Cybernetic Vermin
Apr 18, 2005



all the successful fascists were incompetent as well fyi.

Cybernetic Vermin
Apr 18, 2005



qirex posted:

I hadn't heard of the guy but he is a huge paleo diet advocate which fits into the creepy racist and sexist narrative of the "wellness" industry that modern society has degenerated from authentic natural living [which somehow magically aligns with traditional western gender roles]. he was already a known antivaxxer, that should have been enough. the woo woo wellness industry's tolerance of crap like that greased the tracks towards batshit town and now there's yoga teachers who have gone full qanon

it is an interesting historical parallel that the golden-era ancient greeks were by and large of the opinion that they were living in an age of decay and degeneracy, largely expecting it to only get worse, and looking to stuff like the (actually mythological) sparta of lykurgos' day as when the world was right. for a lot of my life i have wondered what it was like to live in an era of broad pessimism about the future, so it is kind of weird to find that in like 15 years the mood has very broadly flipped that way.

Cybernetic Vermin
Apr 18, 2005



CRIP EATIN BREAD posted:

basically in a proper socialized medicine society, the overweight and smokers will be treated like suicide jumpers on a bridge, and will be forced into facilities to prevent them from hurting themselves any further.

i am not sure you have a very firm grasp of what socialism is. it has a pretty long history of plenty fat people and cigars, though i'd hold both are pretty orthogonal to the movement as such.

Cybernetic Vermin
Apr 18, 2005



Fabricated posted:

Matt and Trey are rightwing libertarian types

Penn and Teller are the more classical libertarian type that were funny before cranks really started taking over everything

penn notably pulled back on his libertarian bullshit a fair bit in reaction though (notably in 2016 calling bernie sanders the only candidate with policies, and the only candidate actually a human being).

Cybernetic Vermin
Apr 18, 2005



"the szechuan sauce riots of 2017" is an objectively funny thing to say.

Cybernetic Vermin
Apr 18, 2005



Roosevelt posted:

eat my shorts!

the funny thing about this one is that you can tell throughout season 2-3 that the writers think that "yeah, this is what people will remember from this show, better milk that cow".

Cybernetic Vermin
Apr 18, 2005



Jabor posted:

it's people with a saviour complex

some firefighters get a real kick out of busting in, putting out a fire, and being labelled a hero. a small number get so much of a kick it that when things get slow, they start jonesing for a fire to happen so that they can get their fix. an even smaller number get so worked up that they end up taking things into their own hands to make that happen.

those people exist everywhere. it really comes down to whether other countries do a better job of weeding them out or otherwise keeping them under control.

so what you're saying is that we'd have a better time if we collectively decided to treat firemen like poo poo?

Cybernetic Vermin
Apr 18, 2005



President Beep posted:

they may be different now, but back in the late 90s they were your run of the mill white cultural subset, with all of the baggage you'd expect.

but was the juggalo influence in and if itself bad or was it largely improving on a population likely to be into some really bad ideas due to other movements and cultural currents?

Cybernetic Vermin
Apr 18, 2005



before covid happened i had tickets to see a one-off refused concert, but as their biggest thing was that they broke up in '98 with a manifesto about how popular culture (well, all culture iirc, i think they called for burning museums specifically) and the media were the enemy of the revolution i can't help but feel that maybe that was always the plan. whether they predicted the pandemic future or created it is not clear though.

Cybernetic Vermin
Apr 18, 2005



the last few times i've filed taxes the procedure has been answering "yes" to an sms.

Cybernetic Vermin
Apr 18, 2005



DELETE CASCADE posted:

a person with a phd has every right to call themselves doctor. most don't though, at least not in america. most of my professors didn't want to be called doctor or even professor. they'd just come in on the first day of class and introduce themselves: "hi i'm james"

i hear this is different in germany!

a person with a phd doing actual teaching can imho without shame call themselves a doctor. teaching is hard and important work, and it is after all the original meaning of the word.

Cybernetic Vermin
Apr 18, 2005



mostly though phds is one of those fragments of a partially imagined past where resultant economical output was not the only way to judge the worth of effort and time expended. academia is steeped in those sorts of things.

which does not make phds or academia better by any objective measure, but trying to measure them in economic/work output terms does not really say much about them.

Cybernetic Vermin
Apr 18, 2005



qirex posted:

before the 21st century it was possible for a normal human to build a compouding nest egg with zero risk government bonds but nobody on wall street got any fees on it so we canít let that happen again.

while correct the more direct reason why interest rates can't go up is because it'd make markets collapse dramatically.

Cybernetic Vermin
Apr 18, 2005



spankmeister posted:

I'm always wary of UBI because neolibs like it and that should make anyone suspicious. It seems like a great idea on the face of it and I support it in principle, but you just know they're gonna use it to cut a whole bunch of social programs because hey you can pay for that yourself now with your UBI!

otoh arguments of this form are always pretty dubious too, if we assume that they can do anything they want they can cut social programs already, and if we assume that "we" have some power over things, letting them cut social programs in exchange is just assuming our own incompetence.

but that goes the other way too, in that it is much more immediately needed to expand social programs in the us, so talk about ubi is most likely dreaming of something both less achieavable and desirable.

Cybernetic Vermin
Apr 18, 2005



establishing without a doubt that to be well off we need to be protected by a vast bulwark of extremely poor people keeping prices down.

Cybernetic Vermin
Apr 18, 2005



Shaggar posted:

housing costs seem to be entirely based on supply and demand and pretty much nothing else. ubi would probably have minimal impact on housing since the only thing it might do is slightly increase demand in a few places.

not even this is *that* obvious, since given more location-independent income it might be more doable for people to move away from the worst housing markets. in general ubi would likely have its biggest impact kickstarting the local economies of otherwise dwindling rural towns.

but generally this is a whole lot of speculation with very little in the way of facts, testing ubi is extremely hard as time-limiting it takes away a huge component of what it ostensibly is.

Cybernetic Vermin
Apr 18, 2005



a normal strong social safety net and worker-friendly regulation is rather more tried and true is the thing though. there being broader support for ubi is, i think, largely illusory.

Cybernetic Vermin
Apr 18, 2005



bump_fn posted:

scotland has less of an industry than england and while i morally support the independence movement its not a good idea. scotland gets so much money out of england in the current situation and has pretty decent autonomy via the devolved government (far more than wales) and its cause they continually threaten to secede. and what are they going to do, join the EU? and be forced on the euro and have to implement harsh austerity for twenty years to join?

plus, as dumb as brexit is, for actual working class it is at minimum a wash, amounting to an exit from a largely neoliberal trade venture.

Cybernetic Vermin
Apr 18, 2005



on the bright side at least real events are now aligning more closely with how things appeared to be going all along.

Cybernetic Vermin
Apr 18, 2005



Mr. Nice! posted:

he didnít concede, though. he said there will be a peaceful transition to the next administration and that his first term is over, but that he was robbed and will still continue to fight.

yep, he plans to peacefully transition into his second term.

Cybernetic Vermin
Apr 18, 2005



either way no need to get too negative. as useless as i am crabcakes is an inspiration and i will try to do better.

Cybernetic Vermin
Apr 18, 2005



swedish state news struggled at the start of this news cycle on what precisely should be the term for the capitol in swedish, starting with awkward use of the english term. they have now settled on a very latin pronunciation of 'capitolium', which makes every update sound a lot more ponderous that the actual events deserve.

Cybernetic Vermin
Apr 18, 2005



blessing in disguise that the police didn't just brutally shut them down, because it is hard for anyone to look at how it panned out and he inspired to action. get all the success you want, succeed at nothing and communicate no idea.

had antifa taken capitol at least some stuff would have burnt down.

Cybernetic Vermin
Apr 18, 2005



believing in space colonization and/or vast technological leaps are both expressions of self-flaggelating hope. in reality we'll all die when the seas shortly boil, but the grip the "rich" have on things is so tenuous that we'll get to enjoy some guillotining well before that.

Cybernetic Vermin
Apr 18, 2005




honestly i've kind of coasted through this entire thing feeling like it was a very tense rubber band snapping back, a reversal to perception and reality aligning again. until i read this, and now i'm fruitlessly genuinely mad as hell.

Cybernetic Vermin
Apr 18, 2005



Pittsburgh Fentanyl Cloud posted:

If nothing happened to put this down wednesday night / thursday morning, nothing will happen to put this down.

This is just the beginning.

sure, but on one level i invite this not being the end of troubling times with real stakes. what i had let myself forget is that doing anything about it would set a ~~troubling precedent~~.

like, i genuinely don't think that loving guy will be some greater problem in the next few years, but i did underestimate his ability to pop up and make sure that the meaning of words would never be even part of a solution.

Cybernetic Vermin
Apr 18, 2005



Sagebrush posted:

I just realized that in like 10 or 15 years there are going to be shithead tweens wearing these cool vintage red hats that were like, my dad's, from back when this guy named Donald Trump was president

this is still a hugely optimistic take, imagining the conflict will be over in the next few years to be reappropriated.

Adbot
ADBOT LOVES YOU

Cybernetic Vermin
Apr 18, 2005



endlessmonotony posted:

But there's 15%+ of "just gently caress everyone up" even in northern Europe, so not looking good.

that, my friend, is the most misplaced "even" ever

  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
  • Post
  • Reply