Gaius Marius posted:

They both come from families that are (theoretically) loaded though. I don't think they see two hundred bucks the way we do.

GoutPatrol posted:

I don't think alot of that info comes out until season 2, so I'm putting this warning in spoiler text.

The Cooper conversation about having a Dyckman in the company rings very true to Old New York, and something that by the end of the 60s was definitely dying out. I don't think they ever mention or connect Bert Cooper or his sister to it, but there was an old and powerful Cooper Family in Manhattan, but the Dyckmans with that Dutch name would be old, old money, real Social Register types.

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Inclusion
Traditionally, wealth or fame have been insufficient for inclusion in the Social Register; Kim Kardashian and Gloria Vanderbilt were never listed and Donald Trump, prior to his election as President of the United States, was also not included.[8][15] A 1985 article reported that "enrollees need plenty of green (money), blue (blood), and lily white".[15]

Listing in the Social Register has typically been through birth: Children born to a person listed in the Social Register are, in turn, added. Persons have also been permitted to apply for inclusion in the Social Register. Such applications require letters of sponsorship from five persons already listed, followed by vetting from the advisory committee. In 1997, a spokesman for the Social Register's then 25-member advisory committee described the criteria by which a person might be added to the directory.[12] The committee, he said, asked themselves "would one want to have dinner with this person on a regular basis"?[12]

The President of the United States and Vice President of the United States are, by custom, always added.[16]

Exclusion
Reasons for removal from the Social Register have traditionally been opaque.[17] In the early 20th century, historian Dixon Wecter observed that those excluded tended to be persons unfavorably reported upon in the press and that, as long as one's private life "keeps out of the [newspaper's] columns" the risk of exclusion was low.[18] The Social Register also tends to exclude people of "illegitimate" industries, such as motion pictures, regardless of wealth or social status.

A Social Register spokesman reported, in 1985, that elderly persons who failed to remit the questionnaire sent to listed persons by the register for eleven consecutive years were removed. In addition, someone who married a person who was not, themselves, listed in the Social Register might have been dropped.[19]

As of 1988, about 35,000 individuals were included in the Social Register.[3] By 2014, this number was reported to be approximately 25,000.[2]

KellHound posted:

Yeah. Pete's family is a means to an end, also Pete isn't slick. He is someone she can maneuver. He is easier to read then some of his old money peers. Which is where is cynicism lies. Her naivete is in well... being surprised by how everything turned out.

Blood Nightmaster posted:

I feel like I have to post the scene where Betty walks down the staircase from this episode--it really is one of those times where the music just fits the moment perfectly. It almost feels like an ad itself, kind of selling the idea of their relationship:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=orSVWAXC6Nw

The Klowner posted:

Come to think of it, the Obama years were pretty incredible for television. I can't think of one tv show since Trump that comes close to breaking bad or mad men or true detective s1

Gaius Marius posted:

Jesus can you imagine if the show ended at tommorowland, absolute insanity. If he ain't lying ill give it to weiner for sticking to his guns, cutting cast and shorter episodes would've destroyed the show.

Jerusalem posted:

Thanks for your patience, updates should be much more regular from now on I hope!

Infidelicious posted:

Because she acts as a foil to the protagonist by acting like a normal and rational person thrust into an impossible situation; and people are misogynists / idiots.


Same type of people hate Keiko in Deep Space 9 for the crime of not being 100% on board with every single decision her husband makes and for being a person with her own goals.

Shageletic posted:

being aloof and mysterious is just being a pain in real life, and its cool the other characters recognize it. Imagine this dude was your boss. I wouldnt want to talk to him.

Jerusalem posted:

Nope, but I also very rarely drink Mountain Dew

On a slight tangent, does anybody else get weirded out by the beer cans of that period having a pull tab that just comes right off?

Yoshi Wins posted:

The fact that Lt. Draper was an engineer is a problem. If the background check is really just a formality, Don would just have to remember what school Lt. Draper went to. But if they ask him, like, one question about engineering, he's toast.

Jerusalem posted:

Yeah, I believe I mentioned it in the write-up, but even if Don got found out but managed to skate by without being imprisoned, he'd be done in the eyes of the people whose respect he "cares" about... cares in the sense that he needs it and expects it even if he often looks down on them himself.

Pete mentions that he didn't think anybody cared about that kind of thing anymore, and it's true that the fervent patriotism/willingness to sign up for military duty had waned by this time and would only continue to do so... but desertion and stolen valor (I'm sure he would have still gotten a purple heart as Dick Whitman, but that's besides the point) would still be a big loving deal even in the late 60s. Dudes were fleeing to Canada to escape getting drafted knowing if they stayed in the US and refused to go to war then they'd go to prison: a guy asking for access to classified information being revealed as a deserter who knowingly took on the identity of a guy who died in the line of duty? That's gonna have major repercussions, even if Don is rich and increasingly well-connected in the right places.

I had assumed this was just heart medication (and holy poo poo he should NOT be drinking and smoking like he does after TWO heart attacks), and that he waited for Lee Jr. to be gone because he feels that it would make him look even weaker in Lee Jr's eyes. Is there a further significance/connection between those two scenes I'm missing?

roomtone posted:

your general point is right but i think it's a bit more than 4 years. megan is (mentioned after this episode but i don't think it matters) 26 in season 5, betty i think is supposed to be mid 30's by this point, january jones is just young looking. back then especially, i think the 8 or whatever years between them was significant. betty also had access to higher education - she studied italian at college and speaks it well, so it's not just that either. the environmental thing is really the difference, though.

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