ram dass in hell posted:

Cooper's "she was an astronaut" hit me so hard the first time I saw this episode and I can't articulate why.

Xealot posted:

A culture with no concern for sun damage, healthy diet, exercise, or the dangers of smoking or excessive drinking will also do that, I imagine.

It sounds like Ida Blankenship lived pretty hard in addition to all the historic factors, so being 67 and looking 80 seems…unsurprising.

A weird aside: I’ve been watching a lot of old Twilight Zone episodes recently, and the ages of characters are constantly throwing me. “Meet [such-and-such], age 36,” and they look like they’re pushing 50. I’m in my 30’s, and the characters who look close to my age are supposed to be 25. Part of that’s casting, but a lot of it has to be people in 1960 aging like complete poo poo.

ANOTHER SCORCHER posted:

I actually thought Don was overreacting to the likelihood he would be found out - we've never seen a Draper family member come looking for him, Anna is dead, Betty covered. Even the age thing, would it really be that weird for an ad man to lie about his age and presumably say he's younger than he really is? Pete saying he hadn't been flagged yet seemed to support this idea.

The Klowner posted:

It kind of blew me away to hear Don say that the first time. Completely baffling to see the man we saw in season 4 claim that he doesn't care about work—it's his agency! But it does seem to be cyclical with him. Work, relationships, even keeping a journal; nothing seems to hold his interest for very long.

Jerusalem posted:

Yeah I don't know why but I keep thinking of Roger as being close to his 60s when I think he's "only" supposed to be late 40s to early 50s in the actual show? Old enough to have served in World War 2, but in 1919 he would have been a kid at most and probably more likely a toddler. You're right that he views the 1919 World Series as symbolic of himself, a rigged game where he hadn't actually done anything to deserve the spoils.

Jerusalem posted:

How does she react? In a way that continues to set her apart from almost every other character, to remind us all that despite a rough start Peggy Olson has grown into a woman confident in herself and firm in her choices. How does she react?

https://i.imgur.com/K4EeOss.mp4
She smiles.

Sash! posted:

I've always wondered what the repercussions would have been if Lane had just been like "I live in America now" and told the Crown to bother someone else.

Xealot posted:

He definitely should've just asked Don, who has more money than he'll ever use and doesn't particularly care about it. But, you know, masculine pride and a stiff upper lip.

Bismack Billabongo posted:

The CGC pitch isn’t anywhere near as good but it also has what the client wants. The main thing you should take away from this scene is that clients are stupid assholes.

sure okay posted:

I can only assume the J Walter Thompson pitch had an even bigger bottle on it with smaller, fewer words. Perhaps just "Ketchup" on the bottom.

And the clients all stood up and applauded.

JethroMcB posted:

Hard pressed to identify a single favorite moment from this episode, but this might be it. Their discussion is largely congenial and collaborative, but they're both speaking with the speed and intensity of men who are very mad at each other as Don lays out that - loath as he is to admit it - his presence sells pitches just as much as the work itself, and he knows it. Fantastic performances on top of everything.

Jerusalem posted:

He babbles excitedly, waving to another kid and identifying him as Bobby 2, who is shy, explaining that he's Bobby 5

JethroMcB posted:

Another comprehensive and insightful recap...but an episode highlight was glossed over:



The one-two punch of "So Bob Benson's routine got through to Joan?" followed by "...wait, is he even wearing pants right now?"

Jerusalem posted:

what else is there to do but get high?

kalel posted:

I think we need to start by discussing the most important moment of the episode

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJ_2-KNqh4g

Jerusalem posted:

GoutPatrol posted:

I was waiting two weeks for this

Jerusalem posted:

Jerusalem posted:

I think it's particularly telling how Pete, even at his happiest, acts around Don when Bonnie's there, he's both proud to show her off and terrified that Don's going to "take" her away from him. I think that speaks to an underlying issue with Pete where it's hard for him to get close to people because he's always either thinking,"How can I exploit this person for my own gain?" or "How can I stop this person from exploiting me for THEIR gain, which clearly they MUST be doing, right?", and sometimes both at the same time.

JethroMcB posted:

I knew Pete and Trudy were going to wind up in one another's arms again after their united front to the dean back in Time & Life:



Look at those crazy kids. They just work too well together!

Torquemada posted:

And you can mark me down as cynical about Don’s finale. Getting a bunch of kids to sing about Coke on a hillside in California probably did more to kill off the hippy dream than Altamont.

JethroMcB posted:

still take issue with how their ending plays out, though. By placing that exchange as the immediate aftermath of Peggy's call with Don, who just said like half a dozen things that trigger "suicide" flags in the viewer's mind, it doesn't let their resolution have room to breathe and stand on its own.