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Oh he's talking about real world events meaning when the show aired, re: the nomination + election of Obama? Yeah that is some psycho poo poo
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R. Guyovich posted:you think betty's desire to "rescue" this obviously talented girl from what she sees as a ruinous future is about jealousy? there are pretty obvious parallels between betty's youth and sandy's, and reasons why betty might be looking back and seeing mistakes she's made and time she's wasted. that's not jealousy, it's regret. don has a similar journey over several episodes in season 7 with the much-maligned diana. I meant "jealous" as in "she thinks Henry wants to gently caress Sandy." but i do see your point, and it does come full circle at the end of S7 for Betty when she decides to return to school in spite of her prognosis. fine, I hereby deem Sandy Not A Useless Character
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Remember all that stuff I said about Don being adorable with Dr. Rosen? Yeah I meant to type "deplorable." Got dang autocorrect!
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Since Jerusalem brought up Ray Abruzzo in part 1, I'd like to shine a light on Linda Cardellini, who plays Sylvia:quote:Linda Edna Cardellini is an American actress. In television, she is known for her leading roles in the teen drama Freaks and Geeks, the medical drama ER, the drama thriller Bloodline, and the tragicomedy Dead to Me, the latter of which earned her a nomination for the Primetime Emmy Award for Outstanding Lead Actress in a Comedy Series. ... Her voice work includes the animated series Scooby-Doo! Mystery Incorporated, Regular Show, Gravity Falls, and Sanjay and Craig. In film, Cardellini is best known for her portrayal of Velma Dinkley in Scooby-Doo and its sequel Scooby-Doo 2: Monsters Unleashed, and her supporting roles in Legally Blonde, Brokeback Mountain, Grandma's Boy, Kill The Irishman, Avengers: Age of Ultron, The Founder, Green Book, A Simple Favor, and Avengers: Endgame.
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Jan 12, 2022 20:07
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Jerusalem posted:Looten Plunder just completed The Top Ten Shows of the Decade thread, go see how Mad Men fared! sweet thread. your list owns bones!
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it's extremely cathartic to see Trudy giving Pete that dressing down and finally, FINALLY kicking his rear end to the curb. that scene with the woman banging on their door is horrifying though, makeup did a really good job there remember the episode last season when Pete defended his infidelity to Don of all people when they went to the gentlemen's club? funny how that all comes around. even funnier that Don, who claimed at the time that if he'd meet Megan first he'd have known not to throw her away, is now being arguably even more brazen than Pete! (coincidentally, this is also the episode where Don first mentions his upbringing at the whore house!)
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Jan 19, 2022 21:53
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JethroMcB posted:Even if you don't think they're on par creatively, it does demonstrate that Peggy seemingly has a better grasp than Don on presenting exactly what a prospective client will want to see in a spot. Timmy wanted his bottle, he wanted the "Ketchup," and Peggy cut to the heart of the matter and made those two elements the thrust of the entire spot. (Clearly she learned her lessons from the last time she crossed paths with Heinz.) Jerusalem posted:Season 5, Episode 6 - Far Away Places Jerusalem posted:Timmy is intrigued but a little confused... they're NOT going to show the ketchup? They won't even use the WORD ketchup? Just the brand name?
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one thing that factors into the perceived quality of the ads is the font choice. "Pass the Heinz" is printed in clear, sharp, black, magazine-style serif font that seems more modern, while "Heinz. The Only Ketchup" is written in blocky, almost sketched lettering. coupled with the photographic images of food in Don's ad versus the sketched and drawn ketchup bottle in Peggy's, I think the ads are deliberately designed to evoke a certain reaction from the audience: Don's looks like it could run in print ads today, whereas Peggy's very much looks of the time. And that's exactly the point. She's got her finger on the pulse of the times, and Don, whether because he's ahead of or behind the times, is not at all keyed in to the zeitgeist. also, peggy's power creep is disgusting. amc pls fix the meta and nerf this ad goddess in the next update, thanks in advance kalel fucked around with this message at 19:22 on Jan 26, 2022 |
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Paper Lion posted:man, im so curious how hes gonna react to the big reveal in The Crash. jrus been so (understandably) hard on don this season, will finally having the root of his trauma click into place be enough for him to see him not as selfish and immoral but pathetic and wounded, or will it be another ~20 episodes of vitriol tbf, season 6 is very frustrating to sit through the first time without having seen the whole picture. you spend five seasons watching someone slowly make progress to becoming a better human being, only for the sixth to result in a near complete regress. maybe j will become a touch more sympathetic to Don after the crash but I think the real rehabilitation will come with Don humbling himself for Peggy's benefit at the end of season 7 part 1.
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I meant "rehabilitation" of J's perception of Don, not the character's personal healing. The end of season 6 is a glimmer of hope for Don's growth, but we don't see his journey come to fruition until Don tells Pete at the end of "the strategy" that Peggy's burgerchef idea is the right idea. I think J's going to revel in Don's humbling until that moment; if not then, then at the end of Waterloo.
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Don's confession to Megan at the end is heartbreaking. whether what he's saying or what he thinks about himself is actually true or just self-flaggelation, he's a miserable sight. A far cry from the man everyone thinks he is (including the audience; here we see the inverse of the conception of him that exists among people who haven't watched the series as a smooth-talking confident man). the bile he's held inside is spilling out with greater frequency and volume.
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For me it's Brett Gelman sitting naked on a deck chair. it's just so beautiful
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Jerusalem posted:
there are so many "that moment"-s in this episode, idk how you could choose only one!
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Feb 9, 2022 02:39
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I think "classist" is a little harsh to describe the table's reaction to herb's wife. people like her exist at every socio economic bracket; she's not evil, she's probably not a bad person, she may even be very nice... but come on. We all have a Mrs. Rennet in our lives Jerusalem I think you edge much more critically of the characters in general than me but this is a step too far. Annoying people are real, and they're out there! They could even be lurking in this very thread...
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Mover posted:My take on Don is that he loves to cum. in a few episodes, he laments that "sex is the definition of being close to someone." he says this as he's lying in bed with Betty post-coitus lol. there is a little bit of truth hiding in Don's ridiculous statement though. one of the side effects of toxic masculinity is that men can sometimes feel like it's only "okay" to express themselves truthfully when they're alone with their female lover—this is what Don is implying when he says sex means being close to someone. according to classic norms, it's only socially acceptable for men to talk about their feelings in public after getting roaring drunk (see the penultimate episode of the series). sadly, we're still fighting this battle in the modern day. one of the reasons the finale is so powerful is that it's truly shocking, especially for male audience members, to watch two men openly weep and embrace each other in public. Don is aware of this at least on a subconscious level, but in his mind he's twisting it into an excuse to be a philandering jackass. "My wife can't give me emotional satisfaction" -> "my wife is making me do this." we're going to see this play out over the next few episodes with the aftermath of the merger and Don's relationship with sylvia, but I figured I might as well talk about it here because otherwise I'm just going to forget lol
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brushwad posted:I'd never thought about it until now, but there's some metatextual things happening in this season with Megan being on a soap opera that are pretty ... soap-operatic. Jerusalem posted:Season 6, Episode 3 - The Collaborators I don't think it gets any more meta than this conversation—especially since it was directed by Paré's on-screen husband himself!
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it's clear that Don is using the domination roleplay as a way to create an environment where he has complete control, as an escape from the ambiguous status quo at "his" agency. but really it's just an expression of the behavior he's always exhibited with his paramours taken to an extreme; he doesn't want them to exist except as extensions of his own desire. he has a recurring need to dominate women, to make them subservient to him—socially, financially, psychologically, sexually—and when he can't fulfill this desire at home, he goes out and gets it from someone else.quote:"Move forward," she offers back a small callback to the advice Don gave Peggy in season 2 during her catatonic episode. here Peggy is implicitly equating their behavior (she has probably internalized some shame about her past) kalel fucked around with this message at 18:30 on Feb 19, 2022 |
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Mover posted:I’ve never gelled with Don/l and Sylvia’s dabbling into the dom/sub stuff even on rewatches. it's hot as gently caress though
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Don draper is a philandering alcoholic deserter who abuses everyone around him and doesn't give a gently caress about his children, but as depressing as his arc has been this season, it can't compare with the disappointment of Peggy becoming a goddamned landlord
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no rush though
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Brendan Rodgers posted:Has the thread discussed the mystery of Bob Benson yet or is it too early in the show? we're in the middle of season 6 so Bob hasn't really done much yet except brown nose the various partners. in the most recent episode, he helped Joan go to the hospital. Pete hasn't "found out" about him yet. kalel fucked around with this message at 18:48 on Feb 21, 2022 |
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wild conspiracy theories are fun, especially in a serious drama like mad men. you would expect cheap thrills in a daytime soap, or some kind of stupid mystery box in a neverending prime time drama (lost, house, any number of cancelled-after-one-season outings that the major networks pump out), so it just gets boring because whatever the show comes up with will inevitably be less exciting and more stupid. In mad men the big game-changing shifts are telegraphed and set up episodes or even seasons in advance, so they feel authentic and part of a larger tapestry. they're usually mundane relative to other TV shows and not as flashy as THIS GUY KILLED THAT GUY or SHE HAS A SECRET MASTER PLAN TO DO ???SOMETHING??? but because it's so muted, the smaller stuff has a chance to stand out.
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also a bit of poor judgment to be discussing a theory that involves Megan having to be in California for it to make sense, when she hasn't even left her soap yet
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JethroMcB posted:
well that's just completely ridiculous he's the real Bobby draper
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Gaius Marius posted:Thinking about how Boardwalk Empire ended perhaps people were right to guess the dumbest possible bullshit at all times haven't seen it. what's your verdict: is the series worth watching or no?
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Lady Radia posted:you should really spoiler poo poo like that, one of the posters j ust said they're considering watching it. that's tviv for you
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Jerusalem posted:Haha, I wrote it so I could play Elden Ring guilt free 
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:"I'm sorry, Ted; but every time we get a car, this place turns into a whorehouse." is one of the funniest scenes in the show to me. The reaction from Ted and Cutler, the jaunty music as he walks to his office. I enjoy the music choices in this episode, despite op calling "Going out of my head" "on-the-nose" the most striking is the juxtaposition of Amy's rape of Don with "dream a little dream of me." it's a soft, nostalgic-sounding lullaby that contrasts sharply with the horror on screen. there are many examples of this phenomenon in film—where the tone of the music is the opposite of the tone of the scene—but for some reason the one I always think of is that of Kurosawa's "Drunken Angel" and "Cuckoo Waltz" (spoilers for a 74yo film (that you should really see if you haven't yet (it's Kurosawa ffs!))) Wikipedia posted:During filming, Kurosawa's father died. While he was in a sad state, he heard The Cuckoo Waltz playing in the background, and the whimsical music made him even more depressed. Kurosawa decided to use this same effect in the film, at the low point in the life of Matsunaga, when the character realizes that he was being used all along by the crime boss. Kurosawa had the sound crew find the exact recording of The Cuckoo Waltz that he had heard after his father died, and had them play the instrumental beginning of the song repeatedly for the scene in which Matsunaga walks down the street after leaving the crime boss. kalel fucked around with this message at 17:49 on Feb 25, 2022 |
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WampaLord posted:Yeah, Don's part is also hilarious, and the cherry on top is watching Dawn reacting to all of this insanity happening right in front of her. I know this episode got mixed reviews at the time it aired but "let's have our characters hopped up on speed" was a great concept for an episode. I actually didn't believe this when you posted it (I wasn't following the show during its original run) so I read a summary of the reviews on Wikipedia and, wow,
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clearly none of you are band geeks
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I've said this before in spoilers but you have to admire the restraint and the storycraft in keeping such an important revelation under wraps for so long. and being so honest and unflattering in the portrayal. it's shocking because of how utterly mundane it plays out. think about every single other sexual assault scene you've ever seen in television: quick cuts, dolly zooms, maybe heightened saturation and other camera tricks to gEt InSiDe ThE cHaRaCtEr'S hEaD. here it just happens, and then it ends, with music fading out, like sound ringing in your ears after waking from a horrible dream, and you just feel a stinging uneasiness as you watch Don smoking alone in that claustrophobic box of a room also, non sequitur, it's cool that the show finds ways to incorporate the random skills of its cast into the plot. Aaron Staton tap-dancing, Christina Hendricks playing the accordion, January Jones speaking Italian, etc.
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KellHound posted:I'm rewatching Mad Men and got the the episode where Sally masterbates. Don's reaction is to ask if the friend she did it in front of is a boy or girl. That reaction is a lot more interesting/telling when you know that Don was raped at a similar age. the interesting thing is that mad men is written in such a way that the writers clearly have room to allude to things in one season and expound on them later without necessarily knowing the exact details at the time of conception. a lot of shows do this and it's useful as a storytelling tool when you need to adapt to the realities of production. But while there's no way to know for sure if this was something they figured out just this season, there are so many tiny moments like the one you described throughout the series that I feel like there's no way Don's character was conceived without this detail in mind
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Jerusalem posted:I uhh.... I played a lot of Elden Ring over the last week+, sorry this took so long to get posted! I didn't even notice because I too got sucked into elden ring
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WampaLord posted:Is this a little meta winking here by the writers? Are we on our 5th Bobby at this point? maybe they had cast another Bobby who had to be replaced before shooting the pilot. this would make the "he went home" line make more sense
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who the gently caress is father Abraham and why did he have seven sons
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but anyway, speaking of fathers and sons, it's cool that Don and Roger got to pretend to be decent dads for a day before the reality of their failures hit them in the face. that being said, in their defense, Bobby is a really weird kid, and Ellery is a loser because planet of the apes rules The forbidden zone was once a paradise!
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Almost as brutal as "Ready to get back to work?!" 
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Jerusalem posted:When Joan acidly "congratulates" Peggy for letting Don carry her to the deep end of the pool, Peggy is outraged at the age old rumor raising its head once more, savagely whispering back that she never slept with Don... a line that carries a deeper connotation/implication which she only grasps too late: she didn't sleep with anybody to get her role, but they both know that Joan technically did. Everything with Peggy and Joan in this episode is so loving good, and Peggy's line here in particular is a magnificent bit of writing and plotting. It strikes at the heart of not just their relationship but also their respective experiences with misogyny. And it directly picks up the dangling thread left in the episode where Joan sells her soul to win Jaguar. She's the only one to see Peggy leave, which invites the viewer to compare their paths. Just like Peggy at the end of season 5, Joan has a chance now to go in a different direction on her own terms where she didn't before. Also, Ted and Cutler's scenes together are so deliciously efficient in giving the viewer everything we need to know about the texture of their relationship. The resigned condescension in Ted's voice when responding to Cutler's bitching and moaning is so funny. "  I'm the world's most expensive babysitter!" " That's the spirit."also also, love how the Sunkist/ocean spray conflict gets set up here. Pete gets so close to spilling the beans when he asks Roger "where are you going, exactly?" before getting cut off. Ted even complains that nobody read his memo! kalel fucked around with this message at 16:18 on Mar 21, 2022 |
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