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Sal is like bacon: just entirely wonderful. I watched the show when it came out and I'd forgotten how much I enjoyed him.
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lurker2006 posted:I think I recall a rumor of his abrupt exit being driven by irl grievances over the actor repeatedly leaking plot details. I'm really conflicted about the Don-as-serial-killer line they dropped. You can still see a lot of it in S4. It would have been a . . . very different show. Dextermania was a part of the zeitgeist in weird ways because it was such a mediocre show.
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A big part of sexism is that attractive women can't be smart. Unattractive women aren't automatically smart but since they aren't intimidating they are allowed to be smart. Not as smart as men, of course, but in a "dog playing a piano" kinda way. Oppressive systems allow for the lower castes to have one thing they are good at as a stress relief. That or they can be a paragon. Joan fits this model, where she is seen as being good at everything and allowed a lot of power in a male-dominated space as long as she codes it in a purely feminine way.
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Oct 20, 2020 16:51
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Trudy just thinks men need to be coddled. Again, it's part of the overall theme of women finding power in unexpected places. Trudy is a domestic mirror of Joan in the way that Bets is a domestic mirror of Peggy. I agree they genuinely like each other. They have similar backgrounds, class interests and they are both people who have one foot firmly planted in the past and another in the future and they don't really know how to navigate the rocking because there is a lot of tectonic friction between the past and the future.
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Oct 21, 2020 06:18
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I enjoyed the show but I have zero interest in watching it again, so the long write-ups are nice. They take less time to read than it would to watch an episode so I win bigly. Keep writing, write as long as you want.
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Oct 22, 2020 17:30
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I remember during the run of Madmen a friend of mine got divorced. He thought of himself as very modern but, well, he was from rural Illinois. I had described Mad Men as "lifestyle porn for a certain type of man" and very much meant "for him" because he was a little too into it, drinking manhattans with cheap bourbon and vermouth left to spoil at room temperature. His wife left him for a myriad of reasons but one that always stuck out to me was that he was a direct-to-consumer salesmen, cold calling people to sell them stuff and she was a lawyer. At one point she had the opportunity to get a really exciting job but that would mean that she would make more money than him so, of course, it was a non-starter. When he got divorced there was a lot of stuff going on. I remember that eventually I offered to teach him how to do laundry (which he gratefully accepted). I also found out that he was living off of what he called "astronaut eggs" the one thing he could cook. Crack and egg into a cup, scramble it a little with a fork and microwave it. That was the limit of his culinary abilities. For a man who expected an impeccably clean house he didn't have the skills to actually make that happen. That is extremely alien from how I was raised and the community I was raised in so I was like, "wow, these people do exist and this isn't an exaggeration".
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Oct 25, 2020 17:53
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Yoshi Wins posted:I think Don seeks out Rachel because the pursuit of a woman enables him to be more emotionally open. I believe a central thesis of this show is that emotional openness is necessary for good mental health, and, well, Don is not mentally healthy. He is totally closed off to his own wife. But somehow he finds it possible to show vulnerability while pursuing a woman sexually. Part of it is that Don absolutely has a "type" and society has a different "type" that is expected from a man like him. Since he is a shell, he married and had kids with the kind of person he was expected to and not the kind of person he wants. It's a great example of how the patriarchy hurts both men and women while also highlighting that the ways it hurts women are imposed from the outside and the way it hurts men are self-imposed.
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Oct 25, 2020 17:57
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I agree that Betty is part of society and Don's "public facing" self but I disagree that the women he chooses for mistresses are *just* because of their private nature. As I said before, Don clearly has a "type". It's dark hair, intellectual, independent. Betty, on the other hand, is blonde, vapid (she's not as dumb as she often presents herself, some of Don's choice shows here but she's been trained to present as vapid which is a distinction without a difference for Don's public facing persona) and extremely dependent.
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Oct 27, 2020 00:53
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It's a real turn of the screw.
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Oct 27, 2020 01:15
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Ken is the Falstaff though.
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Oct 27, 2020 02:50
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Everything I've said is readily apparent from the episodes discussed. Look at Rachel, look at Midge. Look at Peggy and the twin. Then look at Betty. I haven't even been "cute" about "later" because I don't think that is relevant. One of the reasons later seasons get tedious is because Don is very much trapped in a cycle. But that cycle is absolutely apparent as soon as he starts going after Rachel while ditching Midge. You think he's breaking the cycle later when he marries an independent-minded dark haired woman but lol no, just another go-round on the carousel. But that's not what my comments are about and I'd argue you honing in on them is way more spoilery than me talking about what is happening on screen. Incelshok Na fucked around with this message at 04:30 on Oct 27, 2020 |
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Beamed posted:stop digging Spoiler police is worse than spoilers and I haven't given any spoilers. Go gently caress yourself.
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