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Lady Radia
Jul 13, 2021

Despite everything, it's still you.


This is legitimately one of the funniest episodes of the series, even with some of the most shocking moments.

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Lady Radia
Jul 13, 2021

Despite everything, it's still you.


I knew him first as the President from Red Alert 2.

Lady Radia
Jul 13, 2021

Despite everything, it's still you.


Great write-up, as usual. One of the big things I felt like the, uh, meeting with Midge was meant to force Don to see is failure - his business is failing and he's, well, flailing, and then he sees a vision of what his future could be. Of course, Don's a rich white dude in 1960s, so he'd really be alright, but I'm not sure that's what he's internalizing.

Lady Radia
Jul 13, 2021

Despite everything, it's still you.


Jerusalem posted:

Maybe it'll all work out great or for the best, but it's very telling that Don throws aside Faye in favor of Megan: the woman who makes him feel good as opposed to the woman who was actually good for him. That sucks for Faye, and I suspect it's eventually going to suck for Megan too.

I feel like this reading is spot-on and what the s4 Mad Men thread landed on too. Don had a choice between working hard on himself and being with someone who would push him, or taking the easy way out..

Lady Radia
Jul 13, 2021

Despite everything, it's still you.


Gaius Marius posted:

People who think Faye was a somehow superior choice to Megan are falling into a trap. not that I necessarily blame them. but it's the same as California. wiener subtly pushes them as cure all's for dons problems. And just like no amount of running away will ever save don, no woman in his life would have saved him either.

Don needs to learn to love and accept himself before he himself can be loved and accepted.

honestly it's masterful writing from Weiner. he's managed to slip the viewer into the same toxic easy answer mindset as don, so much so they don't realize they're in it.


Youíre kind of missing the entire point of the dichotomy. Itís not that sheís the solution, itís that she is symbolic of the kinds of change in himself and his mindset he needs to make. Hence why Megan is the counter example - sheís the easy out, easy pushing away of problems, in that symbolism.

Lady Radia
Jul 13, 2021

Despite everything, it's still you.


Gaius Marius posted:

No I'm absolutely not Faye isn't the kind of change don needs to make, It's what viewers trick themselves into believing he needs. It's the same with California.

Again, and I mean this without trying to sound rude, I think youíre ignoring or rejecting the obvious symbolism. Yes, Faye herself, and indeed any woman like her, is not the kind of change needed, but the introspection she pushed for [i]absolutely[i] is. Don needs to do the hard thing of changing himself, acknowledging his flaws, and internalizing where heís broken. Instead he picked the easy way out. The show is.. super explicit about this! Itís not a subtle TV show.

Lady Radia
Jul 13, 2021

Despite everything, it's still you.


Gaius Marius posted:

I disagree Putting the onus on someone else "Fixing" you is an toxic way to have a relationship. Having a Psychologist Girlfriend would be just as much of a quick nonfix as having Betty as a Rich society wife, or Megan as a good with children wife. Faye knew jackshit about what Don's actual life was like any insight she had was just as superfluous as Megan knowing that his birth name is Dick.

Faye could not push forward Don towards introspection because Don himself was not in a place that he could have allowed that of himself.


Again, thatís the whole point. Thatís why Don picked Megan. I feel like youíre disregarding that Don picked the toxic-woman-who-saves-me act he actually did in favor of revising the record here, and what the show EXPLICITLY states, which is Don picked the easy way out here, rather than what Faye represented

Lady Radia
Jul 13, 2021

Despite everything, it's still you.


Everyone will believe their personal profession is the one most maligned because it's the one they have the most specialized knowledge in :v:

Lady Radia
Jul 13, 2021

Despite everything, it's still you.


Blood Nightmaster posted:

Wikipedia says Betty apparently got an A.B. in Anthropology (should I even spoiler this? Lol, can't for the life of me remember what episode that comes up in though. It also says the main character of The Marvelous Mrs. Maisel graduated from Bryn Mawr as well, which reminds me that I've always meant to watch that since it's a period piece from a similar time frame.

Has anyone here seen it? How does it compare to Mad Men?

it's very bad

Lady Radia
Jul 13, 2021

Despite everything, it's still you.


"There were twenty of them" is some incredible loving delivery

Lady Radia
Jul 13, 2021

Despite everything, it's still you.


I like this episode and also this show thanks for reading :)

Lady Radia
Jul 13, 2021

Despite everything, it's still you.


i have not ONCE let the lane-punching-pete gif drop from my computer.

Lady Radia
Jul 13, 2021

Despite everything, it's still you.


I thought Roger and Sally adventures this episode were adorable. That's all.

Lady Radia
Jul 13, 2021

Despite everything, it's still you.


Yeah this episode goes a long way to show how much Don has changed and improved, but canít figure out how to internalize and act on that sort of realization. Far cry from even season 1, let alone the first half of season 4, but definitely no one to look up to. That said, a big part of what I watched the show for at this point was rooting for Don - not his financial or career or whatever success, but becoming a better person like he clearly wants to be. Heís circled it multiple times, but heís never stepped into being irredeemable yet - at his core he still seems decent.

Lady Radia
Jul 13, 2021

Despite everything, it's still you.


it goes without saying but joan and don both basically acknowledging that yeah, they could see being together, but no, they know they have a platonic friendship of respect, really owns in this episode. there's clearly an attraction but much more a deep abiding respect.

Lady Radia
Jul 13, 2021

Despite everything, it's still you.


i loving love one Michael Ginsberg.

Lady Radia
Jul 13, 2021

Despite everything, it's still you.


pentyne posted:

Didn't see it mentioned but a big part of finding Lane's body is none of the cast had scene the corpse make-up, so when they see the body that's their genuine shock at how death-like Harris looked.

Do you have a source on this? This is the first I've heard about it.

Lady Radia
Jul 13, 2021

Despite everything, it's still you.


You mention that Pete was clearly in another car accident that Trudy calls him out on, but I'm 95% sure she's referencing when Pete got the poo poo kicked out of him by Lane, and that was Pete's excuse at the time.

Great write-up as usual. Couldn't spot any Betty/Peggy mix-ups, but you did say that something was a great question after a cut off sentence - a copy/pasta issue?

Lady Radia
Jul 13, 2021

Despite everything, it's still you.


mad men is not a subtle TV show

Lady Radia
Jul 13, 2021

Despite everything, it's still you.


I love how loving blunt the show is so saying it's the least subtle thing ever isn't an insult. Just yeah it has lines like "It's not your tooth that's rotten" and the entire Hobo Code episode.

Lady Radia
Jul 13, 2021

Despite everything, it's still you.


dolan darpo

Lady Radia
Jul 13, 2021

Despite everything, it's still you.


abe's an rear end in a top hat but he means real well, i stan.

Lady Radia
Jul 13, 2021

Despite everything, it's still you.


i cant even talk about some of my fave abe scenes yet. i love abe.

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Lady Radia
Jul 13, 2021

Despite everything, it's still you.


kalel posted:

Since Jerusalem brought up Ray Abruzzo in part 1, I'd like to shine a light on Linda Cardellini, who plays Sylvia:

scooby doo mystery incorporated was this weird Incredibly Great piece of media in between the usual scooby doo garbage, itís awesome she had a part in it

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