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aBagorn
Aug 26, 2004


ANOTHER SCORCHER posted:

Re: Peteís politics

Heís consistently portrayed as the most politically liberal/progressive, within the obviously limited confines of upper-class white New York society.

It's a shameful, shameful day!

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aBagorn
Aug 26, 2004


Happy national Chip and Dip day, Pete!





...a thing like that

aBagorn
Aug 26, 2004


i really really liked Hell on Wheels

aBagorn
Aug 26, 2004


Yay, you made it!

This is one of my absolute favorite episodes of the entire series. Its such a well done denouement of the first half(ish) of the series. Neither Sterling Cooper nor Don and Betty's marriage survived, and the future is now open to a world of possibilities

aBagorn
Aug 26, 2004


Sash! posted:

The Main Line is still way up there. Lower Merion is like the fifth highest per capita income location in the country. Virtually every township in the corridor has a household income two to four times the Pennsylvania average.

yeah gently caress the main line. i used to freelance bartend and doing events for main line folks was always the worst. main line brats indeed. entitled, abusive, and terrible tippers

aBagorn
Aug 26, 2004


what the absolute gently caress did i just watch

aBagorn
Aug 26, 2004


metachronos posted:

I finally got caught up on this thread after starting it last week. I was initially going to rewatch as well but Jeru's writeups are so good it seems unnecessary. Thank you Jerusalem for all your hard work!

i did the opposite! i started a rewatch when Jeru was starting season 2 and intended to just keep up with them but once i got there, couldn't stop and binged through all of it for like the 4th time

Mover posted:

Same! Was fun though.

oh absolutelyóthis is definitely my favorite show of all time

aBagorn fucked around with this message at 20:26 on Jun 14, 2021

aBagorn
Aug 26, 2004


Yoshi Wins posted:

I really wish the show featured more Dawn. It got criticized for not focusing on civil rights and the black experience in the 60s, and I agree with that in the later seasons. I think it's OK that it takes a backseat in the early seasons, because society was more segregated and white people were more comfortable ignoring black struggles at that time. But in the late 60s, things were changing, which the show acknowledges by starting to feature black employees at ad agencies. Which is good. But Dawn remains a fairly minor character. I think she should have been at least as important as Ginsburg in those final seasons, but probably more important than that. Like, as important as Stan maybe. She's our window into a whole other world.

otoh i'm not sure weiner et al could tell her story well. or cover that world in a meaningful way

aBagorn
Aug 26, 2004



this...just this.

aBagorn
Aug 26, 2004


Beamed posted:

Don grabbing Peggys hand is such a nice, sentimental moment that really underlined this episode. Rather than pretend the previous night didnít happen, that he didnít just openly break in front of Peggy, he looks and lets her know.. yeah, I let you in. I wonít pretend this is nothing. Itís deeply affectionate in a platonic way.

Mad Men, at its core, is a platonic love story between Don And Peggy

aBagorn
Aug 26, 2004


Paper Lion posted:

you say that, but one of the most memorable moments in the show (and easily in my top 3 favourites) is when the show does overtly say that through song and dance to Don, and to the viewer by extension

this is easily my favorite scene in the entire show

aBagorn
Aug 26, 2004


roomtone posted:

your general point is right but i think it's a bit more than 4 years. megan is (mentioned after this episode but i don't think it matters) 26 in season 5, betty i think is supposed to be mid 30's by this point, january jones is just young looking. back then especially, i think the 8 or whatever years between them was significant. betty also had access to higher education - she studied italian at college and speaks it well, so it's not just that either. the environmental thing is really the difference, though.

yeah they're definitely "of the same generation" in that both of them are silents, but betty is definitely more in the middle of the generation whereas megan is almost a boomer. they're almost a decade apart. feels like the difference between someone born in 1985 and 1995. technically the same generation but wildly different in practice

aBagorn
Aug 26, 2004


Jerusalem posted:

Rest in piss, Greg.

Seconded.

So, you finally saw the fever dream scene. This episode is (iirc) widely regarded as weak and mainly because of that scene, and it seems that at least on the merits of the scene that you agree.

roomtone posted:

he was odious.

the fever dream in the episode is bad as far as writing goes but it's never truly bothered me because fever dreams actually are that on the nose and ridiculous. i've had ones that directly play on very current anxieties and make me roll my eyes when i wake up. my subconscious is a hack.

yeah this is more allie if the lines of where i am with it. i kind of appreciate it because it is so much like fever dreams i've had before. i think it was a lovely plot device but it was written well

aBagorn
Aug 26, 2004


Fairly certain that Roger is making a joke about Dr Timothy Leary, known proponent of LSD, when he calls it "boring"

aBagorn
Aug 26, 2004


Blood Nightmaster posted:

the only thing I didn't really care for in s6 was Sylvia, looking back. Like Don having another affair made sense from a narrative perspective but she had to be one of the least interesting people he'd been with IMO

honestly it was a complete waste of Linda Cardellini

aBagorn
Aug 26, 2004



hahahahaha good catch

aBagorn
Aug 26, 2004


Mover posted:

Stanís ďof COURSE itís about suicide, thatís why itís greatĒ is where I started to like him

aBagorn
Aug 26, 2004


Jerusalem posted:

♪ SEVEN SONS! ♪

and seven sons had faaather abraham

aBagorn
Aug 26, 2004


Sash! posted:

THAT Abraham, the one who's religious tradition is followed by half the planet.

that's the one!

although from what i was able to find (via wikipedia and some links from there) this might be an anachronism, given that the "Father Abraham" song seems to have been written by a Dutch songwriter in the 70s

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aBagorn
Aug 26, 2004


Paper Lion posted:

nyc doesnt hold a candle to montreal anyways. its all about the water, baybee. aint makin no good bagel in a fuckin desert

Montreal bagels are better than NYC bagels for like the first 15 minutes after they're made. but they are pretty trash once they cool imo and don't reheat well

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