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Ungratek
Aug 2, 2005


Betty feeling belittled by the Heineken stunt felt overstated to me when I first saw it (as a single man) and felt completely justified upon rewatch (married with a kid). What a lovely thing to not give your wife a heads up on.

I understand proving a point, but let her in on it before actually revealing it at dinner.

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Ungratek
Aug 2, 2005


The Klowner posted:

Is it morally justified for a man to cheat on his wife if he's gay? Can he be blamed? If it's a matter of context, what is the limit? For example, if there's a difference for gays in America 1963 versus 2021, what year is the inflection point?

I don't think you can claim it is morally justified, since he is hurting Kitty and she deserves no blame for the situation.

It definitely is more complicated, and I think trying to assign an inflection point is a fool's errand.

Ungratek
Aug 2, 2005


I want the guy who posts about idolizing the characters to react to this episode.

I do like that Don knows enough about his kids to toss in a surprise gift that theyíll love. Itís a nice small human touch in an otherwise monstrous episode for him.

Ungratek
Aug 2, 2005


aBagorn posted:

otoh i'm not sure weiner et al could tell her story well. or cover that world in a meaningful way

Part of the point is while this was huge for America, it was only intersecting with the wealthy white advertising agencies in small amounts. Similar to the changing of music making Don realize he's out of touch, and not the message of the music

Ungratek
Aug 2, 2005


JethroMcB posted:

Mad Men wasn't exactly a ratings bonanza, but it was far and away the network's highest profile hit and it landed in that 30 Rock territory of "Fewer people on the whole watch this show, but the people who are watching it are both very consistent viewers and tend to fall into high income brackets." AMC found itself to become a basic cable prestige TV destination, and their immediate reaction was "Alright, let's greenlight a few so-so dramas but REALLY go all-in on reality series. If you enjoyed the moody, contemplative Mad Men and the elevated thrills of Breaking Bad, you're going to love a soft-scripted series about competitive arm wrestling!"

The reality show about advertising they created was the worst example of this.

If you like Mad Men, it must be because of the ads!

Ungratek
Aug 2, 2005


Betty represented the ideal 50s woman and Megan the ideal 60s woman. This is not a commentary on them individually, just how Don saw them on a surface level.

Ungratek
Aug 2, 2005


SlipkPIe posted:

Honestly this is maybe the one big sticking point for me on Mad Men rewatches. The more the show tries to actively address it, the more I canít quite escape the feeling that the writing staff is all white and just Trying Their Best

Iíve always thought this was kind of on purpose - what would the late 60s look like from the 45th floor of the Time Life Building? Itís going to be very different than the reality of the situation.

Ungratek
Aug 2, 2005


Chewing gum on his pubis!!

Ungratek
Aug 2, 2005


"People who haven't taken LSD already know that" is one of my favorite lines in the whole series, especially since Roger just shrugs and accepts the criticism.

Ungratek
Aug 2, 2005


Mad Men was never a subtle show, but the smog outside the apartment representing Betty just always seemed too much to me.

OTOH I believe ďI donít think about you at allĒ to be one of the most withering insults the show offers, even if itís insincere, so Iíll take the good with the bad.

Ungratek
Aug 2, 2005


I remember groaning and feeling my eyes roll out of my skull when Adam tells Don "your tooth isn't what's rotten".

Great season though - every Pete story was incredible.

Ungratek
Aug 2, 2005


This is the second time this season Don pitches an ad that doesn't actually feature the product. He's completely tied up in what he wants, and not what the client wants.

Ungratek
Aug 2, 2005


ďNo you donít. See, this is why everyone hates youĒ is a perfect insult of Don.

Ungratek
Aug 2, 2005


ďI was thinking about you talking over me in meetingsÖ now I donít have that problem!Ē

Ungratek
Aug 2, 2005


Nihilist Ted might be my favorite form

Ungratek
Aug 2, 2005


I donít get the sense at this point that Megan wants to be with him anymore. That shipped sailed when he told her he lost his job and didnít decide to move out to LA.

Ungratek
Aug 2, 2005


One of the greatest episodes in tv history. Every single part lands exactly as intended.

Ungratek
Aug 2, 2005


THE KING ORDERED IT is such ridiculous scene but also completely in character. Just a perfect little vignette.

Ungratek
Aug 2, 2005


Jerusalem posted:

"GRIMY LITTLE PIMP!" is amazing, particularly because it's also an absolutely perfect description of Pete at that time :allears:

Also yeah, before I finally watched the show, a lot of the stuff I'd seen around online was people going on about what an "alpha" Don Draper was and it was both hilarious and deeply unsettling watching the show and realizing just how badly they missed the point.

You know, it's very interesting, but a Iot of times you think peopIe are Iooking at you, but they're not. Their mind's eIsewhere.
-Roger

Lots of peopIe that haven't taken LSD aIready know that, Roger.
-Don

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Ungratek
Aug 2, 2005


Bismack Billabongo posted:

I think I mentioned this earlier but the scene where don is emotion vomiting to Megan about how he didnít know how to love Bobby is probably the most soulcrushing moment in the series

I cry every time during this scene

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