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Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

Would you be my new best friends?


All Forum Rules Apply in SAS/FIGHT ISLAND

Forum-specific Guidelines - While these rules specifically apply to FIGHT ISLAND, please be aware of Hand Knit's over-arching Rules Thread for Sports Are Striking, which is our parent subforum.

Rules boiled down to their purest form
  • Don't be a creep and don't be a dick.

Rules in Brief
  • There is Zero Tolerance for Racism, Homophobia and Transphobia.
  • Streams for PPVs are considered
  • Game Day Threads have relaxed rules, not NO rules.
  • This is a subforum for talking about wrestling and combat sports. Serious politics chat is for Debate & Discussion and C-SPAM.
  • Don't Be A Dick.
  • Probations ramp up for repeat problem posters.
  • No horny-posting.

Rules at Length
  • Racism, Homophobia and Transphobia — No. Zero. None. Irony is no exception. gently caress off if you can't post without making a lovely joke at the expense of somebody's sexuality or ethnicity.
  • Streams — As a general rule, streams for PPVs will be considered Other streams are fine. Be sensible, avoid linking janky ad-laden crap and remember that anything outside of SA you click on at your own risk.
  • Game Day Threads — GDTs are very casual, and rules will not be enforced strictly. The "Don't Be A Dick" rule remains in effect, you do not have leeway to poo poo on somebody because you're "just goofing around".
  • Non-Wrestling/Combat Sport Discussion - This subforum is intended for talking about wrestling and combat sports such as MMA, Kickboxing, Grappling, Boxing etc. If you are asked to end a derail about something unrelated to the actual purpose of a thread, you are not being unfairly targeted or punished and the mods aren't endorsing the opposite of your opinion, they just want the thread to stay on-topic. We will ask first and probate second, but this is especially relevant in regards to...
  • Politics Chat - Politics is an almost unavoidable part of our lives, but this is NOT a politics subforum. While politics might naturally or even unavoidably come up in thread discussion, mods will shut it down or move it to an appropriate subforum if it is overwhelming the actual purpose of a thread (talking about wrestling/combat sports). You are not being censored, you're being asked to leave the Wendy's Drive-Thru.
  • Don't Be A Dick - This is a catch-all reminder that being a dick, being needlessly aggressive, trolling, importing or creating drama from off-site or a different subforum etc will get you probated, with length depending on context. To avoid this happening to you, don't be a dick.
  • Ramping Probations - If you are identified as a regular problem poster, your probations will be ramped up accordingly with each additional probation: 6 hours, 1 day, 3 days, 1 week, 2 weeks, 1 month, and finally a ban. Please note that a bad enough post and we'll just jump directly to the end of that list.
  • No horny-posting. It used to be allowed as a joke, it went too far and almost everybody agreed it was time to stop. So we have.

Things to Know:
  • Rivals.com Puns — Terrible word play on a player or team’s name is strongly discouraged. - You can take my Butt "The Shitman" Fart from my cold, dead hands. Unless they're grossly offensive, puns are fine in FIGHT ISLAND (this does not extend outside the subforum)
  • Forums user rovert has a subforum ban for FIGHT ISLAND. He will be banned on sight if found posting here, and any user who engages with him will be subject to a sixer.
  • Discussion of Jim Cornette is restricted to his own quarantine thread, for all of our sanity.
  • Low Effort post at your own risk. We like to encourage people to make some effort. Users regularly make incredibly clever, funny or well-thought out posts/edits/discussion points etc, and there's nothing quite as annoying as seeing somebody fart out a tired vinceflex.jpg or a single syllable misspelled non-capitalized reply in the middle of that like they're expecting a standing ovation.
  • Please use the report button, which is now available to all users - It not only makes mods aware of issues they may have missed, but it creates a permanent record of problems users have with the subforum as well as the mods' own actions regarding these problems. If you do not feel comfortable dealing with specific FIGHT ISLAND mods, then the SAS mods or forum Admins can be safely approached to raise issues you are having. They are also available in the event something truly urgent kicks off while no FIGHT ISLAND mods/IKs are online to deal with it.
  • There is no official Discord for Fight Island. Please do not bring issues you have had on a Discord server to FIGHT ISLAND, it will be considered off-site drama. ADDENDUM: In the (hopefully) rare event that you discover via an off-site that a poster from this subforum is involved in something extremely serious/dangerous/criminal etc, then please get into immediate contact with an admin (feel free to bypass the mods entirely, we'd only be passing it directly on to them anyway) with whatever proof you have so they can take whatever action is necessary, whether that be a permaban or getting into contact with relevant authorities or both.

Current Mods/IKs:
Mods - Jerusalem, Junpei Hyde
IKS - Brut (Combat Sports) & Mekchu (Combat Sports) | karmicknight (Pro-Wrestling)

Jerusalem fucked around with this message at 20:56 on Oct 16, 2020

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Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

Would you be my new best friends?


As people have requested something outside of Private Messages/QCS for feedback/queries on the rules, moderation decisions etc, I am leaving this thread open for that purpose and ONLY that purpose. Any off-topic post will be an immediate probation, but I will endeavor to answer any on-topic questions or concerns you want to bring up and discuss in public. I am also available via PM if you prefer to do this in private.

NienNunb
Feb 15, 2012

still a threat



Mod Edit: Off-topic post removed.

NienNunb Edit: it was Vinceflex

(USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)

NienNunb fucked around with this message at 06:17 on Sep 30, 2020

Cavauro
Jan 9, 2008



Question answered below; editing post to remove pointless reading.

Cavauro fucked around with this message at 00:25 on Sep 30, 2020

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

Would you be my new best friends?


I will probate based on the context. Anybody who is clearly going out of their way to be a dick and poo poo up the thread deliberately will get a heavier probation than somebody who forgets what thread they're in/drifts off-topic during discussion etc. Anybody who continually tries to derail the thread will get a far heavier probation. This thread is intended ONLY for on-topic moderation discussion, and only exists because enough people insisted they wanted a thread for that express purpose rather than via PMs.

The Croc
Dec 19, 2004

A-well-a everybody's heard about the bird!

OH YEAH!



The ramp thing how many chances are we working on here. Is it a probed x times in x weeks/months thing. Will how serious the infraction be taken into account?

Seth Rollins
Oct 24, 2001

i'll always take care of you


Muldoon

can you please define what counts as "horny posting" with some examples of what is and is not allowed. i feel like this rule is too vague

Mekchu
Apr 10, 2012
Probation
Can't post for 5 days!


Seth Rollins posted:

can you please define what counts as "horny posting" with some examples of what is and is not allowed. i feel like this rule is too vague

The early days of AEW threads where people kept posting how thirsty they were for The Librarian girl's butt is a good example I would say.

Like it wasn't "goddamn she has an rear end that id like to touch" level stuff but more so, "oh and Lena's butt " in the midst of talking about the episode etc. got pretty weird pretty fast.

Eat My Fuc
May 29, 2007

Qu'ils mangent de la baise!


Can a poster who has had ramped probations in the past but has been following the rules for an extended period since, say 6 months have their ramp lowered or is the ramping permanent?

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

Would you be my new best friends?


Eat My Fuc, see below. In your specific case, I believe you've earned being reset to a standard sixer, and I highly hope I never have any reason to ramp up your probations again.

The Croc posted:

The ramp thing how many chances are we working on here. Is it a probed x times in x weeks/months thing. Will how serious the infraction be taken into account?

A poster who is clearly being a problem poster, either deliberately or because they seemingly can't help themselves, will get a "further probations will be ramped in length" added to their rapsheet, and at minimum each additional probation will increase in length in the order noted in the rules. Any probation-worthy post that is bad enough will warrant skipping steps to jump to longer probations or a ban as necessary, ramping probations just means a new baseline minimum is set for each new probation.

If a poster improves and enough length of time passes, then they get probated again, they may go back to the baseline sixer minimum and a note will be made not to fall back into old habits and risk getting ramped up again. A lot of that will depend on context rather than some fixed identifiable structure. If other posters feel a user isn't getting the length of probation they deserve and that any mod note in a rapsheet doesn't adequately explain why, they can inquire via PM or in this thread and I will explain my thinking.

Seth Rollins posted:

can you please define what counts as "horny posting" with some examples of what is and is not allowed. i feel like this rule is too vague

If somebody posts something obviously gross and overly sexualized it will be an immediate probation, and there is very little doubt about when that happens. For anything "borderline", as things currently stand, sometimes people have posted something that is drifting too close and other posters have been very good about reminding them "no horny posting". In almost every case people have pulled back on their own, and that's good self-moderation (and actual moderation follows if they then choose to continue on in that vein anyway). Defining a strict guideline of what constitutes "horny" is basically a roadmap for people trying to walk the line as close as possible without going over, so I far prefer a blanket rule of "no horny posting", since it means people are going to err on the side of caution. It got taken too far in the past, posters really didn't like it, and things are better now that it is entirely gone.

flashy_mcflash
Feb 7, 2011



Ultra Carp

Seth Rollins posted:

can you please define what counts as "horny posting" with some examples of what is and is not allowed. i feel like this rule is too vague

Came in here to post exactly this. Wrestlers post thirst-traps a lot. Is commenting on this prohibited and to what extent can we joke about, discuss, or point out things that are part of a show, like Silver horning around on our man Wardlow on BTE?

Obviously clearly objectifying wrestlers and expressing a desire to live in their rear end crosses a line, but I'm legit not sure where the line is.

Benne
Sep 2, 2011

STOP DOING HEROIN

The Speaking Out thread had a long discussion on horny posting, I won't repeat many of the same points but it's worth taking your time to read through https://forums.somethingawful.com/s...0&pagenumber=14

Davros1
Jul 19, 2007

You've got to admit, you are kind of implausible




flashy_mcflash posted:

Came in here to post exactly this. Wrestlers post thirst-traps a lot. Is commenting on this prohibited and to what extent can we joke about, discuss, or point out things that are part of a show, like Silver horning around on our man Wardlow on BTE?

Obviously clearly objectifying wrestlers and expressing a desire to live in their rear end crosses a line, but I'm legit not sure where the line is.

I once got a sixer for posting an Anna Jay tweet, so it'd be good to know. Like there was a back and forth the other day between Brandi and MR. Brodie Lee, so it'd be good to know if one could get a probation for posting stuff from that.

Seth Rollins
Oct 24, 2001

i'll always take care of you


Muldoon

Jerusalem posted:

If somebody posts something obviously gross and overly sexualized it will be an immediate probation, and there is very little doubt about when that happens. For anything "borderline", as things currently stand, sometimes people have posted something that is drifting too close and other posters have been very good about reminding them "no horny posting". In almost every case people have pulled back on their own, and that's good self-moderation (and actual moderation follows if they then choose to continue on in that vein anyway). Defining a strict guideline of what constitutes "horny" is basically a roadmap for people trying to walk the line as close as possible without going over, so I far prefer a blanket rule of "no horny posting", since it means people are going to err on the side of caution. It got taken too far in the past, posters really didn't like it, and things are better now that it is entirely gone.

this sounds too much like "i know pornography when i see it." i'd like you to write some original examples, maybe three each, of which sort of posts are acceptable and which are not

Eat My Fuc
May 29, 2007

Qu'ils mangent de la baise!


Jerusalem posted:

Eat My Fuc, see below. In your specific case, I believe you've earned being reset to a standard sixer, and I highly hope I never have any reason to ramp up your probations again.




Thanks Jru, I'll take that to heart

Benne
Sep 2, 2011

STOP DOING HEROIN

Davros1 posted:

I once got a sixer for posting an Anna Jay tweet, so it'd be good to know.

You posted a picture of Anna Jay in a bikini while responding to someone saying "welcome to the HORNY ZONE," it doesn't take a genius to read that as super creepy

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

Would you be my new best friends?


flashy_mcflash posted:

Obviously clearly objectifying wrestlers and expressing a desire to live in their rear end crosses a line, but I'm legit not sure where the line is.

A good means test is probably,"Is what I am posting effectively saying I want to have sex with this person", at which point you have to ask yourself WHY you are saying that and why would anybody want to read that. Another good reminder is that a,"Hey no horny posting" response to a post you make isn't an accusation, it's a friendly reminder to you that you're taking things too far and should talk about something else on-topic instead and avoid an unpleasant derail and probable probation. If you really want to defend yourself and explain why no no what you posted wasn't horny at all, then ask yourself... is this really something you want to waste your valuable time and thread space arguing about?

"No horny posting" is a written rule now but it's been in effect for the last few weeks and seems to have mostly worked out well. Gross posts get probated and there is rarely any doubt as to what those are. Less obvious or clearly "innocent" posts marveling at the attractiveness of a wrestler get responses from other users telling them not to horny post at which point the onus is on the original poster to get the message and change the subject, and they only have themselves to blame if they can't.

Seth Rollins
Oct 24, 2001

i'll always take care of you


Muldoon

i dunno, i think i'd have more peace of mind about it if you'd write some examples of unacceptable horny posting. i really don't want to accidentally break a rule.

(USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)

Vagabundo
Mar 20, 2007
Probation
Can't post for 5 days!


If we can't horny post, how are we expected to post about Hiromu?

(USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)

STAC Goat
Mar 12, 2008

Watching you sleep.

Butt first, let's
check the feeds.



I'm not a mod or anything but I'd say that the simplest guideline to follow is to go back to the "don't be a dick rule." If you post something and some people get offended by it then just say sorry and stop. Even if you don't think you crossed the line just be cool to the people who think you did for them.

yea ok
Jul 27, 2006



I have no trust that any feedback will be taken seriously

Orange Carlisle
Jul 14, 2007



One thing that really, really makes any situation instantly seem shady is seeing statements like "If you disagree with my decision feel free to PM me" etc when someone doesn't agree with a mod decision that is made. It absolutely feels like "don't raise a stink in public I'll defend my bad decision later in PM's and then it'll get swept under the rug" regardless of intention when it's posted and I can't be the only one that reads it that way every time. Even the best mod with the purest intentions just loses credibility instantly when that phrase comes out.

If people are going to be probated and told to take it to PM's whenever feedback is given especially if it's not trolling or outright insulting a mod why not just rename every feedback thread "Feel free to PM me" and lock it?

There have already been a few instances even recently where a mod or IK made a questionable call, came into the thread and apologized for or justified the decision and everyone was not only very cool and receptive but also thanked the mod for being transparent and realizing their mistake and owning it. Admitting you made a mistake doesn't make you look like a weak mod or whatever the reasoning is for the ones that never do.

When most of a thread has a problem with a call that is made telling them all to complain about it via PM might as well be saying "Your feedback doesn't matter" because realistically who is going to bother sending an effort PM that will be ignored? Please note that this feedback is directed toward mod decision feedback and not slapfights or people being monsters to each other.

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

Would you be my new best friends?


This is one of the primary reasons for this thread's existence. I always told people to take it to PMs because I figured the majority of posters didn't give a poo poo about an argument or discussion about posting taking place in, just as one example, the wrestlers on social media thread, and would prefer people deal with it elsewhere so they could use the thread for its intended purpose. Now there is this specific thread where people can discuss these issues in public and clearly on the record, and those who don't care about it don't have to deal with it/scroll past it or try to pick on-topic for the thread posts out of the mix.

CommonShore
Jun 6, 2014

A true renaissance man



Does making fun of Brazilians count as racism? Because that's pretty load-bearing in MMA discussion eg


is a very good post

flatluigi
Apr 22, 2008

here come the planes


if you're making jokes that make you step back and wonder "am I being too racist" i would advise not making those jokes

Dango Bango
Jul 26, 2007

"Yup, it looks like his head went so far up his own butt-hole that it exploded right back out his pee-hole and he died in a cataclysmic shower of his own blood and poop and pee."
- Too Much Mustard


Jerusalem posted:

Rules at Length
  • Ramping Probations - If you are identified as a regular problem poster, your probations will be ramped up accordingly with each additional probation: 6 hours, 1 day, 3 days, 1 week, 2 weeks, 1 month, and finally a ban. Please note that a bad enough post and we'll just jump directly to the end of that list.

You say this but situations like this are extremely common. Rap sheets so long you have to scroll and it's sixer after sixer.

Can you explain your thought process here?

Dango Bango fucked around with this message at 04:47 on Sep 30, 2020

Cavauro
Jan 9, 2008



Forgive me if my interjection is unwelcome or unwarranted, but before Covid-19, viewing and interacting with correct content that isn't necessarily the best content was thought to be the best way to do forums. Now we know better than that, and Seth Rollins is put into trouble as part of "the bit". Everyone loves Seth Rollins and would quickly initiate a "superstar shakeup" should anything untoward happen to them in the long-term.

Here are three examples of what I mean, in case you don't understand:

Seth Rollins posted:

yeah well its too late for that. i'm stepping all over your rules

(USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
this is cute, sweet, and not actually mean-spirited, and I suppose the moderation team felt that it would be even more funny to have 'being in trouble' attached to it.

Seth Rollins posted:

i don't know either

(USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
this is just as sweet as the last one, and should be taken as part of the discussion that was happening at the time rather than as a post on its own. again, I suspect that adding a "six-pack" onto it was an artistic decision, even if I didn't find it agreeable.

Seth Rollins posted:

i don't like that Kris is playing up alien stereotypes with all this "take me to your leader" stuff

(USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
This was a case where the user was held to higher standards and punished for speaking like everyone else on here.

As you can see, it's a little more complicated to compare "problem posters" with "pestered posters" who really keep this placing bumping, spinning, and moving. I feel as though in being earnest and discussing the matter brought forth by Dango Bango, I've got a right to present my truth of how things are. I think if this is considered incorrect by someone, that they hate me and aren't being fair enough, in my opinion.

Cerebral Bore
Apr 21, 2010



Fun Shoe

Hi.

I would like to suggest a rule against holding weird inter-forums grudges, the sort where people go "well you post in subforum X so you have to be an rear end in a top hat" and the like.

E: I assume that this is implicitly covered under "don't be a dick", but having it be made explicit would be nice.

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

Would you be my new best friends?


Dango Bango posted:

You say this but situations like this are extremely common. Rap sheets so long you have to scroll and it's sixer after sixer.

Can you explain your thought process here?

Yes, the feedback from the previous version of this thread was that once it was noted that a poster was incredibly lovely, endlessly disruptive etc to the point that ramping was considered required in the first place, the ramping of probations still wasn't consistently applied and it would be preferred to have a specific structure, which is what we have in place now.

There are some posters who just every couple of months or so make a post that is worth a sixer or maybe a day, and over a long enough period of time that's gonna cause a lengthy rapsheet. I don't really think they belong in in the same grouping as posters who are regularly kicking off giant derails, trying to turn a thread into a shrine to themselves, making incredibly lovely posts and refusing to stop being shitheads etc, and I don't just run off my own judgement about that but the number and context of reports made by regular forum users about them which would indicate if they were an unwelcome/disruptive presence to other posters. Which is another reason why using the report button is so helpful to me and other mods and the admins in being able to keep track of stuff like this.

CommonShore posted:

Does making fun of Brazilians count as racism? Because that's pretty load-bearing in MMA discussion eg

I always thought that Blanka image was a joke specifically at the Gracies - who happen to be Brazilian - expense for being notorious at making ridiculous excuses for why they lost (but really won!) fights? But the short answer is yes, don't make racist jokes!

Cerebral Bore posted:

Hi.

I would like to suggest a rule against holding weird inter-forums grudges, the sort where people go "well you post in subforum X so you have to be an rear end in a top hat" and the like.

E: I assume that this is implicitly covered under "don't be a dick", but having it be made explicit would be nice.

This is explicitly covered under Don't Be a Dick, and the section about not bringing in off-site or cross-forum drama.

NienNunb
Feb 15, 2012

still a threat



Seth Rollins Drew McEntyre has been on the receiving end of some of the most useless, inexplicable probations I've ever seen. Probations where literally something as simple as a "hey cut that out" would have more than sufficed. Probations where he literally did nothing even vaguely wrong. The idea of wanting punishments towards him to be harsher is genuinely psychotic to me, respectfully.

EDIT: you 110% could sub in Cavauro as well. Both scream of punishing the square pegs for not fitting into round, white noise holes

NienNunb fucked around with this message at 06:22 on Sep 30, 2020

Chris James 2
Aug 9, 2012

plz remember that it was ~ME~ who told you that everything you like is actually really not good, because I knew all along.





Cerebral Bore posted:

Hi.

I would like to suggest a rule against holding weird inter-forums grudges, the sort where people go "well you post in subforum X so you have to be an rear end in a top hat" and the like.

E: I assume that this is implicitly covered under "don't be a dick", but having it be made explicit would be nice.

We will do our best to not allow or tolerate that stuff, and I personally promise to enforce that when I see it as long as I have buttons to act on it. Alluded to it in my last post in the last thread, I'll make it explicitly clear in my first post here: if you're interested in posting about wrestling, boxing, MMA or other combat sports, You Are Welcome Here. And we will not let you be driven away by people who disagree or think you belong elsewhere because you happen to also post elsewhere. I post with regularity in CineD, TVIV, C-SPAM and TFF (and occasionally in BYOB) in addition to here; I'm there because I want to post there, I'm here because I want to post here

yea ok
Jul 27, 2006



I don't really feel welcome here anymore after the end of the last feedback thread. It was considered pointless and stupid to get upset about the accusations thrown around, it was considered pointless and stupid to call out bad faith posting, it was considered pointless and stupid to give feedback about fight island in the give feedback about fight island thread, and I was in fact explicitly called out in the last post of the thread. Maybe I'll get some snarky lovely probe about not being 'unfairly targeted', but it's obvious that the mod team here has no loving clue what they're doing.

All people want here is some consistency and instead we get blanket rules and gameified probation rules. I'm glad we get to rely on the judgment of the same people who caused these problems in the first place to decide when some arbitrary ramp is or isn't applicable. Luckily if it's been 60 days since the last incident report, you earn a gold star and an occurrence is stricken from your permanent record! Why is it so hard to just use common sense, and to not pretend you're some loving daycare teacher. "Ugh I walk away for an hour and you rotten kids had an argument that was already over. Time to use my buttons and be a shithead about it in the process" It's just a joke at this point.

Problem: People are upset that others make posts about 'cum gutters' and wanting to have sweaty filthy sex with every wrestler on Earth
Solution: "no horny posting" becomes the siren call of fight island, said basically whenever and showing a lack of understanding of the original problem

Problem: It takes too long to root out problem posters
Solution: Create a goofball loving ramp system that relies on the already poor judgment of the people that caused the problem in the first place

Thankfully we've got a trusty group of watchdogs to make sure there's no "inter-forum bickering", a thing that has happened all of like twice on here.
Gob's Program: Y/N?

yea ok
Jul 27, 2006



https://forums.somethingawful.com/b...p?userid=149647 Lol.

mfcrocker
Jan 31, 2004





Hot Rope Guy

Jerusalem posted:

There is no official Discord for Fight Island. Please do not bring issues you have had on a Discord server to FIGHT ISLAND, it will be considered off-site drama.

I'd like a caveat to this. We had a situation when the LGBT+ megathread was in E/N where we needed to warn people about a predatory goon and the E/N mod at the time went absolutely bananas with their buttons about offsite drama. This situation largely led to the mod in question ending up being removed and I don't want to see the mods here make the same mistake.

Some off-site issues are serious enough to become on-site issues.

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

Would you be my new best friends?


mfcrocker posted:

Some off-site issues are serious enough to become on-site issues.

This is true, the rule is really more intended for people bringing grudges/arguments over from an offsite like Discord/Twitch/some video sharing site etc - petty little bullshit that has no place being dragged over to the sub itself, because those things are very specifically NOT part of SomethingAwful or FIGHT ISLAND.

In terms of the caveat you'd like added, I will ask some of the other mods and the admins to detail exactly what they've found best practice for dealing with far more serious allegations for off-site things, so I can add an addendum to the rule.

Seth Rollins
Oct 24, 2001

i'll always take care of you


Muldoon

Jerusalem posted:

This is true, the rule is really more intended for people bringing grudges/arguments over from an offsite like Discord/Twitch/some video sharing site etc - petty little bullshit that has no place being dragged over to the sub itself, because those things are very specifically NOT part of SomethingAwful or FIGHT ISLAND.

In terms of the caveat you'd like added, I will ask some of the other mods and the admins to detail exactly what they've found best practice for dealing with far more serious allegations for off-site things, so I can add an addendum to the rule.

so you're just not gonna respond to yea ok. cool.

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

Would you be my new best friends?


yea ok posted:

All people want here is some consistency and instead we get blanket rules and gameified probation rules.

I honestly fail to see how setting in place a specific framework to how ramped probations work is not providing consistency. You yourself have messaged me in the past on more than one occasion to point out that problem posters weren't getting an increasing length of probations consistently applied and that you wanted it to be more structured. I explained in the old thread why it wasn't consistently applied, how that was a mistake on my part, and how I intended to rectify it by sticking to a specific, fixed uptick in probation length.

These new rules are based on feedback from the people who post in FIGHT ISLAND, and I've gone out of my way to try and make sure every viewpoint was considered when putting them together, and run them by multiple people before putting them up. They lay out clearly what is allowed, what isn't, and how that will be dealt with. If they prove ineffective, or I fail to enforce them consistently, then it puts the onus entirely on me as a moderator, which I believe is exactly the kind of accountability people have been asking for all along.

Seth Rollins posted:

so you're just not gonna respond to yea ok. cool.

It's been less than 3 hours since they made their post, settle your kettle.

Jerusalem fucked around with this message at 11:10 on Sep 30, 2020

Seth Rollins
Oct 24, 2001

i'll always take care of you


Muldoon

Jerusalem posted:

It's been less than 3 hours since they made their post, settle your kettle.

you responded to mfcrocker's post 30 minutes after it was made

yea ok
Jul 27, 2006



It wasn't because I wanted some probation ladder of rungs to climb, it was because people who antagonized and made people uncomfortable as gently caress on here got the same countless sixers as people who you get randomly pissy about. It made no sense to me to see people's rap sheets full of sixers, then 3 days or a week randomly, then back to sixers when they continued to exhibit the same behavior without change. That's when I would PM you, because you were doing a bad job. I do not believe that you are receptive to feedback like you claim based on literally years of evidence. Maybe you've done some great change lately, or the right people got in your ear, but considering your reaction to the last thread and the actions you chose? Not buying it

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Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

Would you be my new best friends?


Seth Rollins posted:

you responded to mfcrocker's post 30 minutes after it was made

Yes, because I caught up on the thread, answered mfcrocker's question first, followed up on it in the mod forum as I said I would, then came back and responded to yea ok, then saw your post declaring I was ignoring him.

I really don't know what you think is happening here.

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