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I hope the song "you" actually gets used this time.
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Sep 30, 2020 22:06
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From what I (badly) remember that's basically around where the first episode 2006 ended so I wonder if they will spread it some of the setup/lowkey stuff in subsequent episodes that was originally skipped over because otherwise what are they doing with the extra episodes. It was nice to hearing Satsuki Yukino as Mion again, it feels like it's been forever since I heard her in something (Gaen in Monogatari I guess).
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Oct 2, 2020 14:01
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Yes, it's incredibly easy to mod the VNs at present (along with some music remaster tweaks, adding in voices, CGs, etc.). My view has always been that while I prefer the Ryukishi sprites especially for Umineko for a variety of reasons, at the end of the day what's important is that people experience the story and I'd rather have someone give it a try with the mods if the alternative was to not play it at all. But as for this anime, I think while there are some things that stood out in ep 1 at the end of the day Onikakushi is kind of a weird arc compared to the rest and it's probably the one where *some* liberties can be taken here and there, so long as the whole thing is given the time to pace itself. Which is to say, more than the 4 episodes the original got.
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Oct 5, 2020 02:45
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It's probably ultimately more interesting that they do something new, but the problem most extra Higurashi stories run into is that the original eight chapters tells an extremely complete story with basically no loose ends and full closure for every conceivable character and arc. This why I feel the most successful side stories are the ones who involve mostly new characters like Onisarashi. But you never know, there could be something decent ways to re-explore some of those arcs through similar but different paths.
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Oct 8, 2020 21:10
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Also the big reveal is between characters in a TIP who are, by all external accounts, unbiased narrators talking about it. There's no reason to doubt that it was in fact the case.
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Oct 27, 2020 13:06
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I'm not sure why they had to make the ending of this episode as dramatic as it was, complete with playing the credits early.
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Nov 5, 2020 19:36
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There's also just the fact that ostensibly, the audience should already know what's in the shed, and should also know that its contents are not actually *that* important for the events in the main story.
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Nov 5, 2020 23:44
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So far this really is just Watanagashi except the doll exchange and I guess a reveal that Tomitake/Takano got the gently caress out of dodge which implies that at least *something* went extremely awry with Takano's plan.
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Nov 12, 2020 18:47
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The very beginning of episode 2 with Hanyuu/Rika.
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Nov 15, 2020 18:30
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Mion never succumbing in the original story makes perfect sense when you consider that a huge portion of the reason people succumbed to delusions as part of Rule X is distrust of the Sonozaki family; since Mion knows anything that is there is just posturing or at least nothing actually conspiratorial, she has no reason to ever feel distrustful to cause an outbreak.
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Nov 19, 2020 21:28
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It seems like the idea is some combination of "we want to go through the original stories again like a remake would" and "but with just enough different that we can have some new twists/solutions for the payoff". Which might be fine for the eventual payoff but it feels alienating in the moment because it's hard to see how we could (or rather, should) have gotten here following a linear line from everyone's arcs after Matsuribayashi. Instead it just feels like none of it really mattered and therefore it's given the show an excuse to use passive, dismissive, despondent Rika again.
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Dec 3, 2020 21:44
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mycelia posted:also it's definitely Bern's origin story and I cannot wait for Featherine to show up macabresca posted:Since first three arcs will take half of the whole run, does that mean that they'll skip some in the future or that the arcs after that are shorter? I'm asking because I'm reading the novel more or less simultaneously with anime and I wonder if I should pick up the pace
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Dec 10, 2020 23:43
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mycelia posted:Not just this episode, people have been speculating that since episode 2's opening. It doesn't make much sense for Featherine to be in the intro otherwise. It doesn't mean it 100% is - I was exaggerating - but it seems likely. That or Featherine is just loving around with Showa 58 again for Reasons, which isn't impossible. Tuxedo Catfish posted:aren't there already like two Higurashi OVAs that are exactly that
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Dec 11, 2020 02:20
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It's a little funny how "I hope the show will do right by the pacing and not go through the question and answer arcs in two cours" has turned into "let's just speed run the question and answer arcs simultaneously in one cour".
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Dec 18, 2020 04:11
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I mostly just think it's weird how we're just in this more or less straight up Minagoroshi arc, a story that was entirely notable because of its juxtaposition to not only to Tatarigoroshi but all of the other arcs as well. So we've skipped basically of the reasons Keiichi giving Oryou poo poo would've been such a big deal. Like ostensibly the idea with all of these arcs is that they are the Question arc issues presented with the "solutions" gleaned from the Answer arcs except, surprise they didn't actually solve anything this time around for ~reasons~ which may or may not pay off but until then it makes episodes like this feel largely wasteful.
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Dec 18, 2020 17:51
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That was odd.
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Dec 24, 2020 19:47
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It's strongly implied that Amakusa was a member of the Mountain Hounds ("Hibari 13" Specifically) which was made explicit in the Matsuribayashi manga.
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Jan 28, 2021 21:22
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https://twitter.com/FloPerfecto/status/1314339910803959814
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Feb 18, 2021 18:20
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I think the biggest barrier to reading a LP for something as long as Umineko is consistently being able to keep up with the music changes, as it not only has a ton of BGM but all of it rules and is important for the atmosphere.
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Feb 19, 2021 02:35
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Midjack posted:Gou doesn't retroactively ruin the earlier Higurashi story, but it appears to be appealing only if you've spent the last fifteen years trying to map Umineko onto Higurashi. It also feels like effectively an undermining of the themes that *were* previously the strongest connections, namely how in Saikoroshi the ultimate epiphany that Rika arrives at is that she only has one life to lead and does not want to "try again" if she dies, and that she was to wholly separate herself from "the witch Bernkastel" which was more metaphorical at the time but thematically felt appropriate for that looping aspect of herself to move on while Rika herself could lead her one life. It's at least more interesting than where Gou started and who knows what conclusion it will ultimately settle on, but while I am a big fan of the the Rebellion sort of ending for Madoka if they are really trying for something similar in Higurashi that feels pretty unfair to the original cast in a lot ways.
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Mar 5, 2021 16:51
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SL the Pyro posted:Painful as it is to see, I'm somewhat enjoying the contrast between how Rika and Satoko use looping. Rika had the option to search for her perfect ending as long as she wanted, but was so apathetic to it after failing for so long that she just stopped caring about life in general. Meanwhile, Satoko has gone completely power-mad and abuses the ever-loving hell out of her discount time travel, even for petty things. Rika had to rely on Hanyuu's powers specifically, which were limited and only vaguely understood by both of them. Part of the desperation of the original story is that this limitation was resulting in the loop window getting increasingly narrower. Rika was going to wind up literally running out the clock. She couldn't do something like Satoko apparently suiciding dozens of times to win a card game (the finger snapping is honestly kind of dumb to me), she never would have had that luxury. So of course their methods are going to differ, Satoko has all of the pluses and apparently virtually no minuses.
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Mar 12, 2021 13:22
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I will never really understand how reading a LP is easier than reading a VN, especially one that gives you plenty of auto display or autoplay options if you're lazy.
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Mar 18, 2021 18:29
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Also especially for a VN like Umineko, losing the musical and the direction for how it is utilized is close to being beyond the pale.Raenir Salazar posted:If its at all like Seorin's then there's also a little bit of non-spoilerish additional commentary to point things out as important which I appreciate.
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Mar 18, 2021 18:47
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Midjack posted:This may be where I get off the bus. I enjoyed the X-Files/Twin Peaks atmosphere of Higurashi Classic but I have a hard time giving a poo poo about rear end in a top hat wannabe godlings that make awful people out of likeable characters who finally escaped their tragedy together. I have only superficial knowledge of Umineko, which almost certainly colors my attitude, and may peek at the LP linked above to see if it's something I feel like I want to spend time and money on but if the characters are all like the smirking "Hanyuu with a goatee" that we see here then that's probably a pass. People should play Umineko because it's a great story and not because of a largely mediocre show like Higurashi Gou IMO.
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Mar 18, 2021 20:46
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I have used a DS4 to play all of my PC VNs from the comfort of my bed for years, if the effort needed to set up JoyToKey is truly a bridge too far then I think we have bigger issues to discuss.
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Mar 18, 2021 22:16
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Sounds like someone is without love and thus it cannot be seen.
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Mar 18, 2021 22:56
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Tuxedo Catfish posted:oh no the problem with Umineko isn't that it's "misery porn", if anything it's the exact opposite
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Mar 18, 2021 23:12
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(huge, massive, potentially enjoyment-wrecking Umineko spoilers, including the answer arcs generally and especially the final chapter, you've been warned)
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Tuxedo Catfish posted:it can't be something that's just specific to her (which would still be pretty hosed up anyways, frankly; truth matters)
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Mar 18, 2021 23:32
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You could put some faith in my responses and not write it off IMO, you know if you want
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Mar 18, 2021 23:38
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It's an ending that I felt a little mixed on when it was first released but the more time removed from it to contemplate it, as well as reading other people's reactions to the full story without a need of waiting 6+ months for episodes to come out, I came to regard it way more strongly and now don't think it could or should have ended any other way. It has been interesting to see Chiru in particular gradually climb up vndb when it used to be below Higurashi Kai and now is like the 3rd highest rated VN there.
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Mar 18, 2021 23:48
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Literally being one of the goats is in fact a valid position.
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Mar 18, 2021 23:55
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Tuxedo Catfish posted:more like being Erika, i thought the goats were actively rooting for misery regardless of the truth which isn't quite the same
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Mar 19, 2021 00:53
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Original Higurashi had an *outstanding* ending, a huge reason why Higurashi sidestories/extra game chapters are were so forgettable and superfluous is that the original 8 chapters of Higurashi essentially addresses every aspect of the mystery and covers every potential character so thoroughly that there just wasn't anything left to meaningfully explore. The only real possible exception was, as Ryukishi pointed out when Gou started, was Satoko being somewhat undercooked in terms of role and development compared to the others. But it's one thing to spend a sequel exploring that in order to rectify it and it's another thing to spend four cours doing so while being wildly more violent and tonally different than the original and also constantly retreading the same stories and ground completely unnecessarily.
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Jul 16, 2021 21:32
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Literally the whole point of Tsumihorobshi->Minagoroshi->Matsuri is Rika learning to not just give up though, it was a whole major character moment as part of her development. Also calling it "her ideal timeline" as if it was a selfish act that left Satoko in the lurch is honestly pretty revisionist, her "ideal" at the time was really just "I'd like to not die and also not have my friends kill each other".
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Jul 16, 2021 21:38
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batteries! posted:I don't think it was a selfish act on her part, but it doesn't have to be, does it? Satoko still got the worst outcome of the game group while being truly powerless. Rika learns and grows to do better in those three loops but she wasted hundreds or thousands of loops before. What happened in those loops doesn't get erased. mycelia posted:Wasn't there a TIP to that effect? It was specifically about Takano, but still. "Matsuribayashi is a "good" ending, but is a better one possible? That's the "graduating" (sotsugou) question of Higurashi." or something like that.
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Jul 16, 2021 22:50
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If you want the ideal world for Takano you look to the secret ending to Matsuribayashi/Saikoroshi, which is funny in retrospect because in a world with no trauma/drama in her life Satoko turns out to be a bully. But even this is missing the point of Saikoroshi to say that there really isn't such a thing as an "ideal world" in the first place, and people should live their life as best they can which is why Rika has an epiphany at the end to not reset again if she dies which was obviously subsequently completely ignored to justify Gou/Sotsu.
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Jul 16, 2021 23:18
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batteries! posted:Every timeline has her killing her parents, being abused by her aunt and uncle and losing her brother. Looks like a raw deal to me, you don't have to watch this show to think that. She gets some feelgood lines in the epilogue and that's it. I respect that you liked the ending, but I wouldn't call it outstanding. GodFish posted:I quite enjoyed watching Mion teaching Satoko to shoot a gun going "drat, Mion is so cool" and then a few minutes later Eua leaned back in her chair and said "drat, Mion is so cool." Good show. Yes, obviously, that is literally what's happening. That's not the point; the point is that it's meant to exhibit both Satoko's cavalier/lackadaisical attitude towards the loops/worlds and her own life as well as the supposed superiority of her time looping powers. To me, both of these fly in the face of the nature, impact, and ramifications of the loops that Rika had to deal with and what formed her own perspective in the face of those hurdles. Dying in any loop for Rika was a huge deal and represented abject failure; she never had to luxury to Edge of Tomorrow it in order to master skills that would almost certainly have improved her survivability. This new take on how the loops might be abused for narrative purposes winds up making it feel like a kind of misses the the point of how the loops actually affected and mattered for the people involved (see: various Bernkastel poems at the start of each chapter). Also lmao at people bemoaning Rika abandoning worlds when Satoko has ended probably orders of magnitudes more now at this point due to her constant reset at every juncture. Nate RFB fucked around with this message at 00:03 on Jul 17, 2021 |
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Rika wouldn't have had the luxury of just restarting immediately because her loops were getting shorter and shorter every iteration.
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batteries! posted:This wouldn't be two seasons if Satoko had to go back to diapers every time she pulled out her Glock or if her time to gently caress with Rika shrunk at every turn.
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