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Mekchu
Apr 10, 2012



Previous thread is here.

First things first, welcome to the thread. We’re going to change the format for these up a tad so you new people visiting can get right down to things, and those of us who are regulars can espouse our nerdom.

Consider this first post the non- post

October Events & Dates

UFC on ESPN: Holm vs. Aldana - Oct 4, 2020
UFC Fight Night: Moraes vs. Sandhagen - Oct 11, 2020
UFC Fight Night: Ortega vs. The Korean Zombie - Oct 18, 2020
UFC 254: Khabib vs. Gaethje - Oct 25, 2020
UFC on ESPN: Silva vs Hall - Oct 31, 2020

There is also the Dana White's Tuesday Night Contender Series that is every week but they're not really the mainline UFC cards and just a feeder org to find new talent.


Current Champions
Men's Heavyweight Champion - Stipe Miocic(20-3)
Men's Light Heavyweight Champion - Jan Blachowicz (27-8)
Men’s Middleweight Champion - Israel Adesanya (20-0)
Men's Welterweight Champion - Kamaru Usman (17-1)
Men's Lightweight Champion - Khabib Nurmagomedov (28-0)
Men's Interim Lightweight Champion - Justin Gaethje (22-2)
Men's Featherweight Champion - Alexander Volkanovski (22-1)
Men’s Bantamweight Champion - Petr Yan (15-1)
Men's Flyweight Champion - Deiveson Figueiredo (19-1)
Women's Featherweight Champion - Amanda Nunes (20-4)
Women's Bantamweight Champion - Amanda Nunes (20-4)
Women’s Flyweight Champion - Valentina Shevchenko (19-3)
Women's Strawweight Champion - Zhang Weili (21-1)


Other Things to Check Out

MMA is not solely restricted to UFC but its pretty much guaranteed that the UFC will more often than not put on fun cards. There’s a bunch of B, C, and Z tier MMA organizations which you can chat about over at the B-League MMA: Grand Prixs and Untested Pee thread.

We have the Let's Watch: Random Old MMA Events! Thread thread which has been great to read about/relive events through other people’s eyes and worth getting in on yourself if you like writing.

We also are always looking for nominations for the 2020 Best & Worst of MMA awards.

Finally, shout out to DumbWhiteGuy for providing details for the MMA IRC channel.

irc.synirc.net #mma

Join your fellow MMA fans in discussing all things MMA in a place probably secure against nuclear armageddon - IRC has been around for so long I'm not convinced anything could kill it.

There is also the MMA Goons Discord if you no longer use IRC because you are living in the 21st century.

Please Note: this is not an official Fight Island discord, and is just some of us hanging around to chat and such.

Link - https://discord.gg/SkR8ZeC

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Mekchu
Apr 10, 2012



Time for the post

We’re going to start doing guest monthly recaps as I want to get more of you weighing in. If you end up with a PM/shoutout from me then you’ve been tapped to give the recap if you so choose. No worries if you don’t want to do it, this is just to spice things up a bit.

September Recap by CommonShore

September 2020 was a busy rear end month for the UFC, with 3 fight nights, one numbered pay per view event, and a gaggle of DWTNCS “not technically ufc just with ufc branding everywhere” cards which I’m going to acknowledge as existing but not really recap.

First, Overeem vs Sakai on September 5 was cursed. It lost a ton of fights for a bunch of reasons and only ended up putting 7 bouts on in the end. It had no Fight of the Night, but Ovince Saint Preux, Michel Pereira, Andrew Muniz and Brian Kelleher all won performance bonuses deservedly. In the main event an aging Alistair Overeem weathered several rounds of previously undefeated prospect Augusto Sakai’s best shots to finish with a brutal 5th round TKO, though nobody would have complained had it been stopped in the 4th.






Next Waterson vs Hill was a properly full card. The undercard had some spice, with Sijara Eubanks and Julia Avila in a good scrap, and late replacement Kevin Croom shocking Roosevelt Roberts with a slick guillotine. The main card had a 7 second in round 3 KO of Kyle Nelson by Billy Quarantillo.

The big outrage was Ed Herman vs Mike Rodriguez, in which the ref called a Rodriguez liver kick as a low blow and Herman didn’t argue, given that he may have been on his way to the wrong end of a TKO. In round 3 Herman showed a bit more uh… veteran cage savvy in securing a kimura submission. Most bystanders thought that Herman stole the win and is a loving loser or whatever, and I’m in the minority in thinking that Rodriguez got a 5 minute rest, too, and hadn’t been just kicked in the liver, but somehow he was the one who gassed out like a loving loser and got caught in a kimura from bottom half guard, but I’m also the one making the post. It’s not like we saw a future title contender’s hopes get quashed, and we got to see some gnarly poo poo and post about it, so in the end I’m in favour of it.

Ottman Azaitar had a good KO of Khama Worthy in the comain, and Michelle Waterson took a contentious split decision win over Angela Hill in a loving awesome main event which will likely stand as the best women’s fight of the Covid 2020 era. I think it was the second bad decision that Angie has suffered in the last few fights.





Covington vs Woodley was… ugh.

The card was awesome bottom to almost top. I’m looking back at the card right now and I don’t see a single fight that was bad. Just go watch it. It has Mackenzie Dern, Khamzat, Johnny Walker, Cerrone and Niko Price, and a bunch of loving cool poo poo happens.

Don’t watch the main event. Covington is a loving fascist and Woodley fought like post-championship Woodley, scratching his shapely rear end on the fence like a bored bear on a tree while getting boxed by Covington. We watched it hoping that Woodley would land that big punch, but it doesn’t come. Instead, Woodley’s rib breaks in round 5. There. I just saved you half an hour. Seriously, don’t watch it.

Too much good poo poo happened for me to dig out pictures of everything so just have one really good picture




UFC 253 from <blink>Fight Island</blink> was the flagship card of the month and the only PPV.

By and large the card followed an ideal quality curve for an MMA PPV – things were mixed early and got better as they went. Juan Espino won by scarf hold on the early prelims, Ludovit Klein missed weight then flattened Shane Young on the prelims and then Brad Riddell had a good fight against Alex da Silva Coelho. William Knight vs Aleksa Camur is a decent fight, too. Diego Sanchez looked like loving poo poo against Jake Matthews.

On the main card the first two fights are skippable – though Hakeem Dawodu got a warning from the ref to stop swearing at his opponent, Zubaira Tukhugov, who was literally running away and refusing to engage.

Do not skip the flyweight fight between Brandon Royval and Kai Kara-France. The first round of that fight is round of the loving year.

Jan Blachowicz took a methodical KO upset win over Dominick Reyes, becoming the first European UFC Light Heavyweight Champion. Most of us thought this was supposed to be Reyes’s coronation party and victory lap given that he probably should have been champ already save for some sketchy judging, but Jan’s body kicks and left hooks said otherwise. My assessment is that Jan hit Reyes to the body harder than Reyes had been hit before, and that took Reyes out of his game.

The main event had Israel Adesanya defend his Middleweight title in what’s basically a Mortal Kombat flawless victory anime poo poo over Paulo Costa. This fight was really hyped, and it lived up to the hype, but lopsidedly so. Costa looked lost as Izzy chopped his legs with basic – yet beautiful outfighter counter striking, until the momentum shifted, Izzy got onto the front foot, and midway through round 2 and scored a decisive finish.

Izzy is pretty good it seems.









UFC events in October

October continues UFC's trend of cramming events into the schedule so that they can make their ESPN money.

First up we have UFC on ESPN: Holm vs Aldana on October 4th. This is a pretty abysmal card in my opinion. A lot of names you recognize but folks who have not really done much in way to impress in their careers as of late. Plus Carlos Condit somehow thinking he can fight competitively. The event is likely to be a forgettable one but Holm/Aldana, de Randamie/Pena, and de Castro/Felipe are the only ones being remotely interesting.

The next week on October 11th, the UFC will host UFC Fight Night: Moraes vs Sandhagen. If this were combined with the Holm/Aldana then it'd be a pretty solid card. Marlon Moraes is returning after his win over Jose Aldo to make a claim for Yan's Bantamweight title. Weirdo galore Ben Rothwell is showing up again to fight Marcin Tybura. Edson Barboza returns to fight at Featherweight. The rest of the card is mainly Russian/European fighters who aren't really worth talking about right now.

Then on October 18th, we get the oddly placed UFC Fight Night: Ortega vs Korean Zombie. As the title says, why they put Korean Zombie on a card not on Halloween but still in October. It's a missed marketing opportunity. Anyway this card looks pretty solid. Ortega/TKZ was meant to have happen last December but it worked out that Ortega got injured and TKZ claimed the scalp of Frankie Edgar. On the rest of the card we have Ciryl Gane who is pretty decent as a Heavyweight prospect. Jimmy Crute, another prospect, returns as well as Kryzstof Jotko. The card will also see Katlyn Chookagian return and fight Jessica Andrade. Overall, a pretty decent card.

Then on October 24th, we have the only PPV of the month with UFC 254, and it seems to be a great card. From bottom up, Cynthia Calvillo is fighting Lauren Murphy in an interesting matchup between old and new eras of fighters. Zabit Magomedsharipov is taking on Yair Rogriguez. Then we have former Middleweight champion Robert Whittaker taking on contender Jared Cannonier in a potential title eliminator. Alexander Volkov is expected to take on Walt Harris, and Islam Makhachev is facing Rafael dos Anjos in a lightweight bout. Then we have the main event with Khabib Nurmagomedov taking on Justin Gaethje. So yeah, UFC 254 is gonna own just on paper alone.

The final event is on October 31, with UFC Fight Night 181 (also possibly UFC on ESPN: Silva vs Hall). The card is not really finalized but its expected that Anderson Silva and Uriah Hall will face off in the main event which has been 4 years in the making. Also on the card we have Maurice Greene taking on Greg Hardy in a fight we really hope Greene wins. Weird hillbilly Bryce Mitchell is fighting Andry Fili and Bobby Green is taking on Thiago Moises. I think this card is much better than the Holm/Aldana card but that's my take.



Current Champions


Men's Heavyweight Champion - Stipe Miocic(20-3)
A veteran for 9 years in the UFC, Stipe has amassed quite an impressive resume. After a series of winning streaks halted by a lone loss, Miocic eventually worked his way up to a title fight with then champion Fabricio Werdum and shocked the world with his KO win becoming the new UFC Heavyweight Champion. Miocic would then go on and set the record for the most UFC Heavyweight title defenses at 3 because the UFC Heavyweight Championship must have a curse or something. This would then lead to a Champion vs Champion bout between then UFC Light Heavyweight champion Daniel Cormier which Miocic would lose. He then sat out for a year lobbying for a rematch which he eventually got 13 months after losing the title. While Stipe lost his first match with Cormier via KO, he avenged that loss with a KO of his own and reclaimed his Heavyweight gold. Another year would pass and Cormier and Miocic would face off for the third and final time, which would also presumably serve as Cormier’s retirement fight where Miocic’s clinch control and awareness of Cormier’s game plan would lead him to another title defense beginning a new bid to set the record for most title defense wins. Miocic’s next opponent is likely one he has already faced and defeated in Frances Ngannou though that still is not official.


Men's Light Heavyweight Champion - Jan Blachowicz (27-8)
Poland’s Jan Blachowicz pre-UFC career was mainly a string of beating up European MMA fighters until being called up to the UFC. Things didn't go well for Blachowicz losing 4 of his first 6 fights in the promotion. Eventually though he found his groove and would string together wins and even avenging a few of his early losses in the UFC in rematches. It was when he fought and lost to Thiago Santos that things seemed to have changed. Blachowicz admitted the loss made him better and more focused on his fight game. He was relatively not a top end contender when the UFC matched him against the former UFC Middleweight Champion Luke Rockhold. The viciousness of Rockhold’s KO loss that night sent the clear message that Jan was not to be overlooked and thanks to a pair more wins that immediately followed, he was clearly a top challenger for the UFC Light Heavyweight championship. When Jon Jones vacated the belt the UFC put Dominick Reyes and Jan against one another to determine the new champion. Many assumed Reyes, who arguably won against Jones in his last outing, would simply claim the vacant belt. Much like the Rockhold fight, Jan’s power and focus made it abundantly clear that he was not to be anyone’s stepping stone. Now the UFC Light Heavyweight champion, Jan’s first title challenger is unclear but there has been talk that Jones’ planned move to Heavyweight may be postponed so the two can finally meet inside the cage.



Men’s Middleweight Champion - Israel Adesanya (20-0)
A native of Nigeria, New Zealand’s Adesanya started his career not with MMA but with kickboxing and amassed a significant record of bouts throughout Asia and Australasia. Adesanya even made an appearance in Glory Kickboxing before moving to MMA full time. Debuting as an undefeated fighter, Adesanya simply kept collecting “scalps” (as he puts it) until he was facing off against the Middleweight Division’s best. With wins over Derek Brunson and Anderson Silva within his first year in the UFC, the brass decided he and Kelvin Gastelum would face off for the Interim Middleweight Championship. This was arguably the best fight of 2019, if not the best Round of the Year. With the Interim Belt to his name, he was set to face fellow Kiwi, but Australian based, Robert Whittaker in a showdown. Fittingly in the same arena that Adesanya was in the nosebleeds to see Holm KO Rousey, Adesanya KO’d Whittaker and took the Undisputed Middleweight Championship home. In his first defense Adesanya did not waste time aiming to clear out the division and fought against Yoel Romero. While this fight arguably was lackluster, it was clear that Romero’s prowess for chaos was at least stifled by Adesanya’s awareness and ability to not get caught. Next Adesanya defended his title against a fellow undefeated Middleweight in the form of Paulo Costa. Many believed this would be at least a greater test for Adesanya than before and yet Adesanya put on a picture perfect performance with a 2nd round TKO win. Adesanya then wasted no time promising a title fight with Jared Cannonier should the American get past former champion Robert Whittaker.


Men's Welterweight Champion - Kamaru Usman (17-1)
Debuting in 2015 with The Ultimate Fighter: Blackzilians vs American Top Team, Kamaru Usman quickly showed his belief in his own self and mental toughness was a trait you could easily identify about him. Following the TUF finale, which Usman won, he would then go on to amass more and more wins against the Welterweight division’s top fighters. However Usman’s performances weren’t as eye-catching as others in the division, and yet he was there easily dispatching his opponents. Following wins over Demian Maia and Rafael Dos Anjos, Usman served as a replacement for Colby Covington against Tyron Woodley for Woodley’s Welterweight Championship. This would be Usman’s standout performance of his career, easily controlling and just beating up Woodley for all 5 rounds to earn a lopsided decision. Next Usman was put up against Colby Covington who had already begun a campaign to challenge for the belt. Usman again put on a fantastic performance and shut Covington up by breaking his jaw. He was then expected to face fellow teammate Gilbert Burns but Burns contracted COVID19 and a last minute replacement of Jorge Masvidal was chosen. Again, Usman’s hard work and ability to grind his opponents down served him yet another victory. Usman’s next opponent is still believed to be Burns.


Men's Lightweight Champion - Khabib Nurmagomedov(28-0)
The shadow of Conor McGregor held sway over the UFC Featherweight and Lightweight divisions for nearly two years. This was the setting for Khabib’s rise to the top and eventual championship. Nurmagomedov debuted in 2012 and simply went on a tear beating ever increasing and different styled opponents with his patented wrestling and clinch control. It wasn’t until UFC 223 that Khabib ever came close to a title, and with UFC 223’s insanity let’s just say Khabib got a lot of exposure and sympathy a lot quicker. With his win over Al Iaquinta, who was replacing Max Holloway who in turn was replacing Tony Ferguson, Khabib then set his first title defense against former champion Conor McGregor due to the UFC 223 Bus Attack. In that fight, Khabib again easily controlled and beat his opponent with superior grappling and clinch control. Following the fight and subsequent UFC 229 Brawl, Khabib had to sit out for a suspension and the UFC found an Interim Lightweight Champ in the form of Dustin Poirier. When Khabib and Poirier faced off however, Khabib again just easily dismantled his opponent. Then thanks to a pandemic across the globe, Khabib was on the shelf again. The UFC found yet another Interim Lightweight Champion in Justin Gaethje and now the two are set to face off at UFC 254 this month. Gaethje is likely the most challenging fighter Khabib has faced simply due to his power, wrestling skills (which for the most part Khabib has not had much competition with) and outright willingness to die in the cage in order to win.


Men's Interim Lightweight Champion - Justin Gaethje (22-2)
Justin Gaethje is arguably one of the UFC’s most exciting fighters and he very clearly means to be that way. A noted wrestler in his youth, Gaethje’s journey in MMA has seen him win 22 fights, of which only 2 of them were via decision and the rest were via finish, mainly KO or TKO. Gaethje’s entry fight with the UFC was a Fight of the Night and Performance of the Night as well as Fight of the Year contender against Michael Johnson. Immediately after he would face former Lightweight champion Eddie Alvarez and get another FOTN bonus, however he lost that one. Then he faced Dustin Poirier in another FOTN and also lost that one. Both fights made us immediately love Gaethje not for the losses, but for just how tough and durable he is. Following the Poirier loss he also shut up noted idiot James Vick with a beautiful KO, then KO’d Edson Barboza and eventually his friend Donald Cerrone. These three wins and the exciting fashion helped him become the late replacement for Khabib Nurmagomedov against Tony Ferguson for the now Interim Lightweight Championship. The fight again was a FOTN winner, and also saw Gaethje pick up the POTN and become the interim champion. Immediately after winning he threw that belt down and said he only cared about the belt Khabib had. Gaethje rules, is an all around great fighter to watch and his fight at UFC 254 is more than likely going to be a hell of a lot of fun.


Men's Featherweight Champion - Alexander Volkanovski (22-1)
A former rugby player who pushed 200 lbs, Alexander Volkanovski’s athleticism has been a key factor in his UFC run. The Australian native entered the UFC with a 14-1 record and, much like his fellow champions on this list, just kept winning until he was facing off against former title challengers in the form of Chad Mendes, who he TKO’d, or former champions like Jose Aldo, who he beat via decision. With his winning ways he then saw himself across the Octagon from UFC Featherweight Champion Max Holloway. In a 5 round tactical battle, Volkanovski earned the upset win and dethroned the surging Holloway who had been undefeated at 145 for a good while. It was only fitting that Volkanovski then give Holloway a chance to win the belt back and the 2nd fight was just as exciting as the first. Suffering an early knockdown, Volkanovski was able to recover and eventually work out another decision victory setting Holloway off the Featherweight mountain for the foreseeable future. There has been no set contender for Volkanovski at this time.



Men’s Bantamweight Champion - Petr Yan (15-1)
Russia’s Petr Yan entered the UFC with a bang thanks to a first round KO win. His notoriety had put Yan on some fight fans’ radar but it wasn’t until he had a pair of wins over John Dodson and Jimmie Rivera that people really begun to take notice. With those wins, Yan was paired with former WEC Featherweight Champion and UFC Bantamweight title challenger Urijah Faber in what many believed to be a true test for Yan. Within 3 rounds Yan held a prized KO win over Faber and saw himself become a top contender for Henry Cejudo’s championship. That was until Cejudo vacated the belt and then Yan was paired against Jose Aldo for the championship. Yan’s superb striking against an always game Aldo became more and more a factor and eventually Aldo succumbed to strikes midway through the fifth round. Yan’s next challenger is likely to be Aljamain Sterling but that is not official as of right now.


Men's Flyweight Champion - Deiveson Figueiredo (19-1)
Deiveson Figueredo debuted with the UFC in 2017 and immediately set the Flyweight division on fire. He picked up 4 wins quickly and then faced off against veteran Jussier Formiga. This would be a losing effort for Figueiredo but an important one which Deiveson learned from. Following the loss he then picked up a win and was pitted against former Flyweight title challenger Tim Elliott who Deiveson quickly tapped in the first round. With the Flyweight Championship vacated by Henry Cejudo, Deiveson saw his name on the marquee opposite former title challenger Joseph Benavidez. However Figueiredo came in over-weight and although he picked up a TKO win was ineligible to win the title. A rematch was then booked 5 months later and this time Deiveson had no issues with his weight. In even quicker fashion Deiveson choked out Benavidez and claimed the UFC Flyweight Championship. As of now former UFC Bantamweight Champion Cody Garbrandt is set to challenge for the title against Figueiredo.



Women's Featherweight Champion - Amanda Nunes (20-4)
Having claimed the UFC Bantamweight Championship, Nunes would go on a winning streak while the Featherweight division sat under the control of Cristiano “Cyborg” Justino. When the two were eventually paired for a Champion vs Champion bout at Featherweight, many assumed that Nunes likely could win, but it wouldn’t be that easily. Boy did she make us all eat our words on that one. Nunes KO’d Justino in less than a minute and became the first Two Division Champion for the UFC’s women’s roster and also the first female Double Champ. From here Nunes would bounce back and forth defending her Bantamweight and Featherweight titles, most recently in Featherweight where she beat Felicia Spencer. The next title challenger is expected to be Megan Anderson, and after that it seems as though Women’s Featherweight is pretty much dead with a lack of meaningful competition.


Women's Bantamweight Champion - Amanda Nunes (20-4)
Following her third fight in the UFC, a loss to Cat Zingano, Amanda Nunes seemingly changed everything about her fighting style and went on a tear in the Bantamweight division. She would pick up wins over title challengers like Sara McMann and top title contender Valentina Shevchenko. This thrusted her into a Bantamweight Championship match against reigning champion Miesha Tate at UFC 200 which saw Nunes easily win in just three and a half minutes. Following this she would welcome former champion Ronda Rousey back to the UFC, and simultaneously retire her as well. A rematch with Shevchenko and a win over Raquel Pennington saw Nunes quickly become a top champion in the division. When she was put into a Champion vs Champion bout against Cristiano Justino, we all just assumed she would be undersized and yet she surprised us again with a quick KO. Since then she defended her Bantamweight title twice against Holly Holm, who she KO’d, and Germain de Randamie and then went back to Featherweight being the only truly active multi-weight champion defending both her titles. Nunes is taking her next fight at Featherweight while Bantamweight tries to figure out who is up next for The Lioness.


Women’s Flyweight Champion - Valentina Shevchenko (19-3)
Debuting as a Bantamweight, Shevchenko’s skills were easily notable in the women’s division. However key losses to Amanda Nunes at UFC 196 in a non-title bout, and then later in a title bout at UFC 215 would see her return to the Flyweight division which she had fought in during her pre-UFC days. A fight against then champion Nicco Montano fizzled when Mantano couldn’t make weight let alone the fight due to illness and was stripped. Valentina then faced former kickboxing opponent and former UFC Strawweight Champion Joanna Jedrzejczyk for the vacant belt which she won. Since then Shevchenko has been on a tear with KO and TKO wins over Jessica Eye and Katlyn Chookagian and a decision win over Liz Carmouche (who Shevchenko lost to prior to the UFC). Shevchenko is expected to face Jennifer Maia and beyond that it’s anybody’s guess who in Flyweight would be a reasonable opponent.


Women's Strawweight Champion - Zhang Weili (21-1)
Zhang Weili made a name for herself in China’s MMA circuit before being picked up by the UFC. With a quick succession of victories over Jessica Aguilar and Tecia Torres, Weili looked to be the Chinese star the UFC could put their marketing efforts behind and they did so when they put her against then Strawweight champion Jessica Andrade at an event in Shenzhen, China. Much like Andrade quickly earned a KO win to claim the belt, Weili returned the favor and claimed the championship becoming China’s first UFC champion. In her next outing she would face former Strawweight champion Joanna Jedrzejczyk in an all out war that earned FOTN and also left Joanna looking seriously deformed thanks to significant hematomoas. With Rose Namajunas, another former Strawweight champion, returning and picking up a win over Andrade, it seems like Weili will likely face Thug Rose next to cement herself as the greatest Strawweight Champion in UFC history.



As always, if i forgot something please let me know.

Mekchu fucked around with this message at 03:48 on Oct 2, 2020

Mekchu
Apr 10, 2012



CommonShore posted:

Might copy and paste this into the new thread in a couple days but I was in the mood to write it now and get myself hype



UFC on ESPN whatever Holm vs Aldana

turning “vs. someone” into vs someone.

Hoo boy this is definitely a card that needs a breakdown post. It’s not too bad once you know who some of the people are. Is it a diamond in the rough? Probably not. But it’s not just rough.

Women’s Bantamweight: Holm vs Aldana
Everyone knows Holm – mostly aish aish, but occasionally . Watching Holly Holm is like watching a Tyron Woodley fight – usually you’ll be disappointed but you tune in for the hopes of payoff. Now who the poo poo is Irene Aldana? Well Aldana is the Mexican boxer girl with a few submission skills who came over from Invicta. No, you’re thinking Alexa Grasso. Aldana is the other Mexican girl. She had a rough start to the UFC with a couple embarrassing losses, but she has turned it around, having won 5 of her last 6, and her only loss a split decision to the always-tough Raquel Pennington. In that time she also found her power again. Those of us who had seen her in Invicta knew she could crack, but she put previously undefeated Ketlen Vieria down clean in her last fight. Aldana fights in the tradition of Mexican boxers and she likes to come forward, and she’s not afraid to get hit. She could pull a good fight out of Holm, win or lose.

Heavyweight: Yorgan de Castro vs Carlos Felipe
Not as much to say here. De Castro is the fat guy who KOed Mark Hunt protégé Justin Tafa and then lost a lame split decision to Gr*g H*rdy because his foot hurt or something. He has big power and kickboxes well enough for a round. Carlos Felipe apparently lost to Sergei Spivak, but I don’t remember that.

Women’s Bantamweight: Germain de Randamie vs Julianna Pena
GDR is pretty fun to watch most of the time. She hits hard and is technically a former champ. She’s a classic dutch kickboxer, but she’s also a cop, so… Julianna Pena won TUF Rousey vs Tate then went on a 4 fight streak, but then she lost to Valentina by armbar in a bantamweight title eliminator and spent an enormous amount of time on the shelf due to a knee injury or some poo poo. She’s mostly a top-position GNP grappler. I don’t think her game is sophisticated enough to deal with GDR’s striking.

Middleweight: Dequan Townsend vs Dusko Todorovic
Townsend is a Light Heavyweight journeyman who dropped down to 85 after his unsuccessful ufc debut. He has only one win over a fighter I know in his whole career. He is 0-3 in the UFC and likely here because he was willing to go to fight island. Todorovic is an undefeated Serbian and a contender series product makinghis UFC debut. His wins are mostly stoppages, including a win over Kazuo Takahashi recorded as “Win – Pound – 1:41 – R1” at THE OUTSIDER 51. This is probably an alley-oop for Todorovic.

Prelims
Bantamweight: Kyler Phillips vs Cameron Else
Holy poo poo I hate the name “Kyler.” Kyler is a 1-0 UFC fighter who lost to Katona on TUF 27. Cameron is a brit on a 6-fight 6-stoppage streak making his UFC debut, and he has a 35 second d’arce over Paddy Pimblett. This looks like it has potential based on their records.

Welterweight: Carlos Condit vs Court McGee
gently caress. Condit is reduced to fighting Court loving McGee on the prelims of a TV card with a Holly Holm headliner. For those of you who don’t know, Condit is one of the most exciting fighters in UFC history and he used to just gently caress people up with flying spinning poo poo with blood everywhere. He’s a former interim champion too but lost his full title bids to GSP and Lawler in fights that he could have won. If any of this is news to you go watch some Condit fights. Now he’s on a 5-fight losing streak with 3 submission losses. Court McGee is like the platonic ideal of a forgettable journeyman. He won a season of TUF with Chuck vs Tito, and the only other remaining cast member from that one is Brad Tavares, another forgettable journeyman. Court is tough and he has a beard. He has pretty good cardio and fairly good technical fundamentals. He usually grinds his opponents down and finishes them brutally via split decision.

Condit could set a record for longest losing streak in UFC history. Don’t make me go confirm that.

Featherweight: Charles Jourdain vs Josh Culibao
Jourdain is the Canadian who had a really good split decision loss to Andre Fili. He also knocked out my man Doo Ho Choi . He’s mostly a grappler but he’s happy to brawl. Culibao is an Aussie who is coming off his first career loss, to Jalin Turner (who just choked out Brok Weaver like 2 weeks ago)

Middleweight: Jordan Williams vs Nassourdine Imavov
Nothing I like better than middleweights without Wikipedia pages. Let’s check Tapology. Williams – 9-3 American, contender series r1 TKO, and a couple of Bellator wins. Imavov – 8-2 Russian, UFC debut, looks well rounded.

Women’s Strawweight: Loma Lookboonmee vs Jinh Yu Frey
This has a chance to be a bad WMMA undercard fight. But this also has a chance to be loving hot fire. Loma is from Thailand and she has like 7000 actual Thai fights (as I assume all Thai people do) and she had a decent fight against Angela Hill. Jinh Yu Frey is the former Invicta atomweight champ. She’s coming off of a loss to the female Tim Elliot in her UFC debut. She uses a boxing-centric attack but she has shown some reasonably good grappling too, with the crazy gumbi-girl style.

Bantamweight: Casey Kenney vs Heili Alateng
Making me double check spellings today. Kenney is a judoka who choked out Louis Smolka in his last fight and also has a decision win over Ray Borg. His only UFC loss is to Dvalishvili so he might be actual good. Alatang is a 14-7 Chinese fighter who has gone 2-0 in the UFC with a win over Ryan Benoit. His record looks bad but if you cut off his early career he’s 10-1-1, and it looks like he used to fight a couple weight classes up.

Lightweight: Jessin Ayari vs Luigi Vendramini
Ayari is a Tunisian-German … grappler? Who is 1-2 in the UFC with his one win by split decision. He fought Darren Till at Welterweight though… Vendramini is a Brazillian who goes by “The Italian Stallion” He made his debut against Elizeu Zaleski and got his face caved in brutally and now he’s at 155.


We also have a

CommonShore posted:

I'm going to start adding a prediction to each of my breakdown posts for comedy 6ers

Here's the one for this one. I want odds - my 6er vs your 1 day probe:

This one is a parlay. I predict that both Loma vs Jinh Yu Frey and Holm vs Aldana will be good fights with lots of action and/or finishes. If there's a dispute over whether they were "good fights" Mekchu has offered to be the arbiter.

Anyone want to take me up on this?

BrotherJayne posted:

I'll take that bet!

poo poo, if both those fights rock it'll be worth a 6er

CommonShore
Jun 6, 2014

A true renaissance man



Note, BrotherJayne, the bet is MY 6er vs YOUR 24h since it's a two-fight parlay.

So in other words if either (or both) fight is bad, I eat a 6er, presumably some time the next morning so it inconveniences me a bit.

If both are decent fights, you eat a day.

Mekchu is the sole judge.

You still in?

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

Would you be my new best friends?


I am super hyped for TKZ vs. Ortega (and hope TKZ beats his rear end for that translator bullshit) and I wish I didn't have to wait three weeks for it.

Macksy
Oct 20, 2008


I take back the dumb poo poo I said about covington in the last thread he can gently caress off forever.

In other news lil Khabib is fighting this month and maybe so is big Khabib? Hype.

BrotherJayne
Nov 27, 2019

Cum Catapultae Proscriptae Erunt Tum Soli Proscripti Catapultas Habebunt


CommonShore posted:

Note, BrotherJayne, the bet is MY 6er vs YOUR 24h since it's a two-fight parlay.

So in other words if either (or both) fight is bad, I eat a 6er, presumably some time the next morning so it inconveniences me a bit.

If both are decent fights, you eat a day.

Mekchu is the sole judge.

You still in?

That seems unfair, but I'll go with a value bet xD

Now I extra hope I lose!

CommonShore
Jun 6, 2014

A true renaissance man



BrotherJayne posted:

That seems unfair, but I'll go with a value bet xD

Now I extra hope I lose!

Terms are negotiable. 12 vs 24? I want odds since it's a parlay and only one of the two has to be a stinker for me to lose.

(USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)

BrotherJayne
Nov 27, 2019

Cum Catapultae Proscriptae Erunt Tum Soli Proscripti Catapultas Habebunt


CommonShore posted:

Terms are negotiable. 12 vs 24? I want odds since it's a parlay and only one of the two has to be a stinker for me to lose.

Deal!

gently caress, now I'm all excited about a Holly fight

Ish ish! Ish!

Snowman_McK
Jan 31, 2010
ASK ME ABOUT MY SELF-PUBLISHED WARHAMMER FANFICTION AND MY KNIFE COLLECTION


Tezcatlipoca posted:

Brad Tavares can fight for 3 rounds so he'd probably ko Weidman in the 2nd or 3rd.

I looked up Brad Tavares' record because I keep forgetting who he is. It turns out he's been in the UFC for nine loving years. In that time, despite fighting regularly, he has yet to get a single bonus award. Which is kind of amazing. Also in that time, he has two finishes, one in 2011 against Phil Baroni, and more recently one over Krystof Jotko. Now that I know that, I withdraw my suggestion of him as a hypothetical tune up fight for Chris Weidman 4 years ago.

SquirrelGrip
Jul 4, 2012


Feed wideman to big khabib

Mekchu
Apr 10, 2012



BrotherJayne posted:

Deal!

gently caress, now I'm all excited about a Holly fight

Ish ish! Ish!


To clarify, if you win then CommonShore gets 12 hours.

If Commonshore wins, you get 24 hours.

Mekchu
Apr 10, 2012



Snowman_McK posted:

I looked up Brad Tavares' record because I keep forgetting who he is. It turns out he's been in the UFC for nine loving years. In that time, despite fighting regularly, he has yet to get a single bonus award. Which is kind of amazing. Also in that time, he has two finishes, one in 2011 against Phil Baroni, and more recently one over Krystof Jotko. Now that I know that, I withdraw my suggestion of him as a hypothetical tune up fight for Chris Weidman 4 years ago.


Someone ask Jon Bois to do a Dorktown on Tavares.

Memento
Aug 25, 2009




Bleak Gremlin

It's pretty off topic but I know how much everyone around here loves Jon Bois so I'm going to link it anyway.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C1JNQKNAvNY

sequel to 17776

punk rebel ecks
Dec 11, 2010

I will NEVER become THE PIRATE KING!!! I am just a lazy, hypocritical idiot.


I just realized that Khabib has as many wins as Jon Jones and without any losses or no contests that makes him the objectively best record in MMA.

Foul Fowl
Sep 12, 2008

Like a snail that melteth away into slime, they shall be taken away; like a dead-born child, they shall not see the sun.

drat moraes vs. sandhagen completely slipped under my radar, that's gonna be a hell of a fight

BlindSite
Feb 8, 2009



punk rebel ecks posted:

I just realized that Khabib has as many wins as Jon Jones and without any losses or no contests that makes him the objectively best record in MMA.

Khabib might kinda quietly be the best fighter in history and there's a real good chance he smothers Justin and someone else and then rides off into the sunset the goat.

They might throw a mill at him to fight Usman but i can't see it.

Mekchu
Apr 10, 2012



punk rebel ecks posted:

I just realized that Khabib has as many wins as Jon Jones and without any losses or no contests that makes him the objectively best record in MMA.

I mentioned this previously on the discord but here's a fun factoid:

If you combine all the champions records into one super hero MMA fighter, they'd have a 230-24 record (not counting Amanda twice for obvious reasons).

Jan's 8, Amanda 4 & Valentina's 3 losses are the top three losing-est records too.


My only major gripe with Khabib's record is its hard to gauge his non-UFC career wins since most of them were not really notables and that he entered the UFC with a 17-0 record. Since that debut though, yeah it has been a really impressive run.

BlindSite
Feb 8, 2009



Imo its not just his wins its how he's won though. I mean if you look at Jones record he's got 3 close shaves. Khabib has lost what? A round? 2 total his ufc career?

Foul Fowl
Sep 12, 2008

Like a snail that melteth away into slime, they shall be taken away; like a dead-born child, they shall not see the sun.

BlindSite posted:

Imo its not just his wins its how he's won though. I mean if you look at Jones record he's got 3 close shaves. Khabib has lost what? A round? 2 total his ufc career?

he lost to tibau but that was ages ago and every undefeated/nearly undefeated fighter has those kind of fights where they got lucky on their records

Mekchu
Apr 10, 2012



BlindSite posted:

Imo its not just his wins its how he's won though. I mean if you look at Jones record he's got 3 close shaves. Khabib has lost what? A round? 2 total his ufc career?

Yeah his UFC run has been outright incredible. I think only GSP really could be considered similar and GSP still lost to Hughes early on, then Serra, then arguably to Hendricks.

Mr. Nice!
Oct 13, 2005



Foul Fowl posted:

he lost to tibau but that was ages ago and every undefeated/nearly undefeated fighter has those kind of fights where they got lucky on their records

Tibau was also monstrous back then as that was three years prior to USADA. Tibau looks loving huge compared to Khabib. Rogan even starts the fight by commenting that Tibau is at least 10lbs heavier than khabib.

Mekchu posted:

My only major gripe with Khabib's record is its hard to gauge his non-UFC career wins since most of them were not really notables and that he entered the UFC with a 17-0 record. Since that debut though, yeah it has been a really impressive run.

16-0. Tibau was his second UFC fight and he was 17-0 at the start.


e: just rewatched the fight. The only thing Tibau does is stop takedowns. He spends the majority of the fight pushed up against the cage doing nothing and they're almost even on the feet. Khabib can't get him to the ground, but he controls the fight entirely. Round 2 is the closest. 1 & 3 are clearly Khabib. Rogan thinks takedown defense wins fights apparently because that's all Tibau did. Tibau also loses by stockton rules as his face was bruised up at end and Khabib was unmarked.

Mr. Nice! fucked around with this message at 13:22 on Oct 1, 2020

Untrustable
Mar 16, 2009







Arlovski's fight this month got moved. No ball kicked or unconscious Arlovski probe this month. Come back to me, belarusian pitbull.

Edit: it's been 5 years since Arlovski finished someone lol.

Untrustable fucked around with this message at 13:48 on Oct 1, 2020

Foul Fowl
Sep 12, 2008

Like a snail that melteth away into slime, they shall be taken away; like a dead-born child, they shall not see the sun.

Mr. Nice! posted:

Tibau was also monstrous back then as that was three years prior to USADA. Tibau looks loving huge compared to Khabib. Rogan even starts the fight by commenting that Tibau is at least 10lbs heavier than khabib.

yeah tibau's two skills were 1) being unbelievably enormous and 2) impossible to take down, which made him a really bad match up for khabib. but it's not like tibau was a great or terrifying fighter. he was 10lbs bigger than everyone he fought and lots of people beat him or dragged him out to contentious split decisions. the khabib fight was one of the few he actually unequivocally won. but every undefeated fighter had some luck to stay undefeated, it's just how mma is.

Forceholy
Nov 10, 2007

My Voice Just Echoes Off These Walls


Untrustable posted:

Arlovski's fight this month got moved. No ball kicked or unconscious Arlovski probe this month. Come back to me, belarusian pitbull.

Edit: it's been 5 years since Arlovski finished someone lol.

Last person Andrei finished was Travis Browne, right?

Skjorte
Jul 5, 2010


I remember watching Khabib/Tibau and thinking that Khabib's offense was kinda ugly, and that his kinda sloppy fighting style probably wouldn't get him all that far or make him someone I'd pay much attention to going forward. He quickly convinced me I was incredibly wrong, but that really was a strange debut fight. Him getting the decision nod was the right call, though.

awesomeolion
Nov 5, 2007

"Hi, I'm awesomeolion."



Take this with a grain of salt since I know nothing about MMA or wrestling, but one of the things I love most about Khabib is he how he's so unbelievably good at grappling and wrestling that he makes American wrestling champs like Abel Trujillo look like children. I think the average young person you pull off the street in Dagestan is probably at least NCAA div II calibre. Very excited for Khabib to beat the brakes off of Gaethje.

JaySB
Nov 16, 2006





NCAA D1 > NAIA fwiw.

Gaethje is arguably the worst matchup for Khabib stylistically. It's an incredibly intriguing fight.

FishBowlRobot
Mar 21, 2006





JaySB posted:

NCAA D1 > NAIA fwiw.

Gaethje is arguably the worst matchup for Khabib stylistically. It's an incredibly intriguing fight.

I love Gaethje but fear that he’ll just get too tired if he has to do a wrassle, like pretty much anyone who fights Khabib. Should be cool either way.

Southpaugh
May 26, 2007

Smokey Bacon




I think no one lands as hard on khabib as Justin. It's gonna be a hell of a fight

leftist heap
Feb 28, 2013

Gurpgork?



Fun Shoe

Gaethje has effectively never wrestled in a UFC fight, and never in any of his WSOF fights I've watched, and is on record saying he doesn't want to wrestle vs. a guy that may go down as one of the best MMA wrestlers/grapplers ever. His quotes on how he'll handle Khabib do not exactly inspire confidence either. It's a cool fight and I'm excited, but it seems a pretty safe bet to go down like the Khabib/Poirier fight.

JaySB
Nov 16, 2006





Gaethje is on record saying he'll never use his wrestling offensively. He's shown pretty good defensive wrestling in the few occasions he's had to use it.

Khabib has been hittable and Gaethje CRACKS. If he can get his leg kicks working early and manage to not get ground into paste, he'll give Khabib his best fight to date. All of this is a big IF as "just get up" hasn't worked for anyone.

piratepilates
Mar 28, 2004

So I will learn to live with it. Because I can live with it. I can live with it.





I found some startling footage of wanderlei silva in a few years:

NienNunb posted:

Please feel free to add some mma fighters as well, like Wanderlei Silva





The wrestling people have a thread about the fat faces stuff, if anyone has FaceApp and wants to add: https://forums.somethingawful.com/s...enumber=1#pti36

SA Forums Poster
Oct 13, 2018

You have to PAY to post on that forum?!?


Mekchu posted:

Time for the post

As always, if i forgot something please let me know.

Thanks for putting so much effort into the OPs

Somebody fucked around with this message at 03:17 on Oct 2, 2020

BlindSite
Feb 8, 2009



JaySB posted:

Gaethje is on record saying he'll never use his wrestling offensively. He's shown pretty good defensive wrestling in the few occasions he's had to use it.

Khabib has been hittable and Gaethje CRACKS. If he can get his leg kicks working early and manage to not get ground into paste, he'll give Khabib his best fight to date. All of this is a big IF as "just get up" hasn't worked for anyone.

Even if its not a great path to victory I kind of like the idea of seeing a hitter just sell out, completely ignoring the wrestling and just look to drop pain on Khabib.

CommonShore
Jun 6, 2014

A true renaissance man



Sounds like gaethjes strategy involves accepting that he might get a wrestle done on him and focusing on not gassing or breaking mentally

JOHN CENA
Oct 20, 2006


fighters should be allowed to fight in costumes in october

chaleski
Apr 25, 2014
Probation
Can't post for 28 hours!


JOHN CENA posted:

fighters should be allowed to fight in costumes in october

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bsIY-O6Ig1E

nordichammer
Oct 11, 2013


Effort OP is great agreed but can we not quote the entire thing without snipping it

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Southpaugh
May 26, 2007

Smokey Bacon




Yeah it's awful on the app.

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