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pwn
May 27, 2004

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Alt title: Satire is just dead for the time being, due to *points in every direction* (too long, but thanks whos that broooown for the title)

We'll get to all that in a minute. First, the obligatory overview that everyone already knows.

Nearly seven months after their last show before the lockdown, SNL returns to studio 8H, and at least somewhat live.

Back at the end of July, I made some bold predictions - mainly, that the show would return on a staggered schedule, would be mostly pre-taped, without a studio audience. And it was recently announced that they would be roaring back with a "limited" studio audience, in a run of five consecutive episodes in October.

1 out of 3 ain't great.

Now, there hasn't been any official confirmation that the show will be mostly on tape, so allow me to explain my case:

1. All the aforementioned production reasons - banking sketches greatly reduces the time and spatial crunch factor. Doing a live cold open, monologue, maybe a sketch or two, and Weekend Update live, with pretapes padding out the rest, would be much safer, and doable in quantity, which leads to

2. Five or more shows in a row - There's a reason they don't usually go more than three shows and only ever a max of four: Physical exhaustion of the crew. Being creative week after week isn't productive. This year, they've announced an intention to do live shows every Saturday in October, and potentially even more after the election. While it would still be grueling, this can only be realistically achieved if much of the show is on tape, and isn't topical week-of material.

3. They've already announced that they're taping in other locations - Namely, Brooklyn and New Jersey. While I have no idea what these warehouses are, they do get their sets made in the Stiegelbauer and Associates Navy Yard in Brooklyn, and taping there would reduce exposure and time for travel. Several of the show's senior cast are reportedly still living in LA, which would explain why they've retained everyone and hired three new players.

But enough of that. We'll see what they do soon enough. What about those new featured players? How about I copy what CNET already wrote, rather than even pretend I know anything about them?


Punkie Johnson is a comedian and writer who's appeared on the shows Space Force, Corporate, A Black Lady Sketch Show, Adam Ruins Everything and Bill Burr Presents: The Ringers.

Johnson was a New Face at the Just for Laughs Festival in 2019 and is a paid regular at the Comedy Store in Hollywood. Johnson is also the first out Black lesbian to join the Saturday Night Live cast in the show's long 46-year-old history.


Lauren Holt is a house performer from the Upright Citizens Brigade theater in Los Angeles. She was a founding member of the UCB's musical improv troupe called The Pickup.

Holt's also an actor who starred in the independent LGBTQ web series The Filth and the short film Parent Teacher Conference. In 2015, she appeared in the music video for the song Til It Happens to You by Lady Gaga.


Andrew Dismukes is a stand-up comic who's been working behind the scenes as a staff writer at SNL since its 43rd season. This will be his debut as a cast member.

Dismukes was part of the 2017 New Faces Showcase at the Just for Laughs Festival and performed at other festivals such as Comedy Central's Colossal ClusterFest and the New York Comedy Festival.

Watch Dismukes perform in the finals of the 2016 Funniest Person in Austin Contest.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VDBizE-0eEs


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I'm uncharacteristically not excited for this season of the show. I AM excited to see the show, of course; it's been a significant part of my life for 28 years. And this historical time will hopefully- emphasis on "hope"- lead to some historic shows. But the real world is getting far too scary, and I have doubts that the show can do the needful thing when it comes to the horrors to come.

The Election That Could Break America

I cannot emphasize this enough: Please read this, if you haven't already. It lays out in painstaking detail the gears which are already set in motion to prevent Trump's removal from power. November is very potentially going to be an unbearable nightmare, at least by the standards of Democracy to which we're used to in America, and have perhaps taken for granted.

It's not the show's job to save democracy, but it has to be better than it has historically been, at least in recent memory. There's a Vox article that perfectly encapsulates these concerns, and I'm reproducing the article in its entirety.

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Saturday Night Live premiere: The sketch comedy series won't save you
The show’s empty Donald Trump caricature misses what makes the real one so dangerous.
By Emily VanDerWerff@emilyvdw Oct 2, 2020, 11:00am EDT


Alec Baldwin has played Donald Trump for way too long now. | Will Heath/NBC/NBCU Photo Bank/Getty Images

In the wake of the maddening, utterly incoherent first presidential debate of the 2020 general election — a debate that mostly consisted of President Donald Trump trying to yell louder than everybody around him — the most predictable of all takes emerged from the ether.

“I cannot wait,” said the take-havers, on Twitter and off, “to see what Saturday Night Live does with this!”

Here, for instance, is NBC News mainstay Andrea Mitchell:

https://twitter.com/mitchellreports/status/1311141533270319106

This kind of response to a big news event is hardly new. The notion that Saturday Night Live will provide a kind of consensus view of what happened in the world of politics in the past week has been around almost as long as the program itself.

Chevy Chase’s bumbling Gerald Ford made America see the accomplished athlete as awkward and impotent. Dana Carvey’s George H.W. Bush made the 41st president seem like a prissy buffoon. Darrell Hammond’s skewering of Al Gore saying “lockbox” and sighing in the 2000 presidential debates was seen as a fatal blow to his campaign. And, Tina Fey’s turn as 2008 Republican vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin made the former Alaska governor seem completely unqualified for public office.

Except ... do Saturday Night Live’s portrayals of these political figures make them seem a little more like TV characters who don’t really exist? Do those portrayals normalize their immense power or reduce them to walking personality tics in such a way that it becomes harder to see them for who they really are?

These questions have been heightened by the Trump era, when the firehose that is the president’s stream-of-consciousness expression of his innermost thoughts has made satire at once incredibly easy and incredibly difficult. If you want to make fun of the president, it’s not that hard. Just have a famous actor — Alec Baldwin, let’s say — pop up on TV and repeat some of the things the president has said in a big, brash New York accent, then have him pout a little bit as the audience roars its approval.

But this approach is also incredibly lazy, and it turns Trump into something vaguely approachable, a video game boss who can be defeated if we can just string together the magic combination of words that will cause him to explode in fury.

The “let’s make Trump angry!” mode of comedy isn’t exclusive to SNL. It is present, to some degree, in the late-night monologues of Stephen Colbert, Trevor Noah, and Seth Meyers — and it’s all over social media, perhaps most famously in a wildly popular series of Trump lip sync videos by comedian Sarah Cooper.

Reimagining Trump as a goon to be stomped on and defeated has its value. He is, after all, just a man. He won’t be the president forever, and will perhaps leave office as soon as January if enough people vote for former Vice President Joe Biden in November’s election. But that “perhaps” underlines just how complicated making fun of Trump really is — because if you don’t find a way to satirize not just Trump but Trumpism, you run the risk of normalizing what the man stands for while trying desperately to trigger him.

And that risk is exactly the one SNL has flirted with again and again throughout the Trump years.

Television normalizes everything, even presidents
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7e4vFMJmBIc

One of the guiding philosophies of my approach to TV criticism is the idea that TV, by its very nature, can’t help but normalize whatever it depicts, because we become inured to what it shows us. (See also: the police drama.)

That’s why long-running TV shows tend to dramatically increase their stakes over time, the better to re-engage an audience that might have grown too used to the status quo. Otherwise, they simply settle into conflict-free bores where everybody is nice to each other.

Consider, as an example, the acclaimed drama Breaking Bad. Chemistry teacher Walter White begins cooking meth to ensure that his family will be provided for after his eventual death from terminal cancer — which he’s diagnosed with in the series pilot. Drawn into the criminal underworld, Walter first faces off with low-level drug dealers, then slowly begins to work his way up the food chain of Albuquerque lawbreakers. By the final season, he’s fighting Nazis and capitalism.

Breaking Bad is probably better than any show in TV history at pulling off a gradual heightening of dramatic stakes. You don’t really question the ways it goes from Walter trying to figure out what to do about one drug dealer he has tied up in his basement to Walter using a car key fob to trigger a trunk-mounted machine gun that will destroy his enemies. It feels like a natural progression, even though it’s patently ridiculous from the standpoint of what might “really” happen.

If Walter had spent the whole series facing off with low-level drug dealers, his crimes would have eventually come to feel downright normal. As he faced off with these low-level villains, viewers would have eventually felt bored or, worse, like he was an unquestionably good guy with unimpeachable motives. As Walter’s enemies grew in stature, the evils he committed to take them down grew in stature, too.

But if TV doesn’t take great pains to slowly change the story it’s telling, it runs the risk of just making everything it depicts start to seem ordinary, through the sheer power of repetition. And reality doesn’t come with a built-in, steady escalation of dramatic stakes.

To some degree, all presidents benefit from TV’s power to normalize — the more that Trump is on TV as president, the more we get “used” to him being our TV president, even those of us who despise him and his policies. You can’t avoid the president on the news or on your social media feeds, not entirely. And, this being reality, the president is not subject to the same kinds of dramatic stakes that slowly intensify, as we’d see on a scripted TV show.

But a show like Saturday Night Live inevitably turns the president into a character, which makes it uniquely ill-suited to the sorts of satire that might actually expose the politically powerful for who they really are. The more we see Alec Baldwin as Trump, the less power the caricature has (if it ever had any to begin with — I would say it was always empty posturing).

What’s more, SNL is bound by the reality we live in. Its Trump can’t precisely become captain of a starship, pursuing a great whale across the galaxy. Alec Baldwin’s fake president will be forever linked to the real one. And that means the show will forever struggle to say anything consequential about him at all.

The best political satire finds something beneath the surface. SNL too rarely figures out how to do that.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fbhz3XcNzGU

Think, really think, and try to remember an SNL political sketch from the last five years that you really adored. There’s only one I can think of for myself — Melissa McCarthy’s debut as former Trump press secretary Sean Spicer, which was buoyed by McCarthy’s talent as a sketch comedian and some really solid jokes and comedic bits.

But the fact that I described it to you as “Melissa McCarthy’s debut” shows just how empty the Trump era of SNL satire has been. The show’s approach to Trump has been one long parade of famous guest stars impersonating the various “cast members” of his administration and other Washington power players. Rather than allowing SNL’s talented cast to play, say, Dr. Anthony Fauci or Supreme Court Justice Brett Kavanaugh, Brad Pitt or Matt Damon gets the call. And so on and so on, right down to Jim Carrey signing on to play Joe Biden this fall and Maya Rudolph returning as Sen. Kamala Harris.

https://twitter.com/sasimons/status/1311116078135652356

(In Carrey’s casting, at least, SNL might have something comedically potent. Carrey rose to fame on Fox’s sketch comedy series In Living Color and certainly knows how to be wildly funny within that format. Rudolph, of course, was an SNL cast member for many years and is an extremely funny performer, especially within the sketch comedy format.)

https://twitter.com/nbcsnl/status/1311807261489201152

But the constant presence of celebrities further cements the weird idea of SNL as constantly firing its cannons at the Trump administration in an effective way. If everybody in Hollywood is on SNL, then SNL becomes Hollywood’s de facto response to Trump, and Trump’s broadsides right back (especially early on in his presidency) only serve to further entrench his popularity with his base.

“Trump is the first president or really politician even to kind of counter back at Saturday Night Live, to respond on Twitter. Everybody else embraces being made fun of. Even Sarah Palin, who they made fun of brutally, went on the show to engage with Tina Fey,” said Amy Becker, an associate professor of communication at Loyola University Maryland, whom I interviewed for my podcast Primetime in 2019. “I’ve looked at what that interaction means, and I have found actually that at least right after the election it certainly helped Trump because it made him seem more authentic to viewers because that’s his style.”

This improvement in the public’s opinion of a president whom SNL pillories is well-established. George W. Bush was similarly buoyed by Will Ferrell’s portrayal of him, which made him seem dumb but basically well-meaning.

“Will Ferrell’s impersonation of Bush 43 was so singular and became so popular, but it cut both ways because even though he used the word ‘strategery’ and some people thought he was making fun of the president, a lot of Democrats thought that Will had made W. the kind of guy that you want to just hang out with and have a beer,” James Miller, the co-author of Live from New York, the definitive SNL history, told me in 2019.

SNL, especially in the Trump era, has consistently mistaken flashy but over-obvious satire — satire that will win it plaudits among the pundit class for its bravery in taking on Trump by making fun of the most buffoonish things about him — for anything meaningful.

It’s possible I’m being unfair to a show that, by its very nature, is uneven, thanks to having exactly one week to pull each episode together. But the show is capable of incisive political satire. As overhyped as it was in terms of tanking Sarah Palin’s image with voters, Tina Fey’s portrayal of Palin was devastating at digging into just how oblivious she was.

And there have been a handful of genuinely thoughtful political sketches throughout the show’s history, including my favorite, in which Ronald Reagan’s folksy grandpa act is just cover for a ruthless mastermind, secretly controlling everything in the world, a comedic exploration of the Reagan administration’s portrayal of the 40th president as simultaneously all-knowing and completely checked out during the scandals that buffeted his second term.

Good political satire that responds to the tumult of the times is possible. Stephen Colbert’s Comedy Central show, The Colbert Report, somehow turned the George W. Bush administration into a serialized tale of an administration and a country nosediving straight into the ground, and Key & Peele could be merciless in dissecting Barack Obama’s lack of public anger, even when public anger was well-warranted.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2X93u3anTco

But the Trump administration is so obviously cartoonish, while also working to achieve such obviously horrific ends, that it becomes all but impossible to make fun of via SNL’s usual techniques of ridiculousness and over-the-top impersonations.

Nonetheless, those techniques don’t match the times they are being used in. How do you write a comedic sketch about a blathering bully who’s also mostly avoided dealing with a pandemic that has killed 200,000 Americans, and hundreds of thousands more people around the world? If you’re Saturday Night Live, you mostly make fun of the way he looks and acts and talks and ignore everything else. Will this change in the show’s new season? Maybe. But I’m not holding my breath.

The hope that SNL might finally crystallize how everyone should feel about the Trump administration — and maybe make us laugh about it, to boot — isn’t really a fault of the show but, rather, the expectations some might hold for it. But after four years of weak, empty attempts, why do those expectations still exist?

That all said, I hope there is some respite from these looming problems in the form of the show's non-topical material.

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May 27, 2004

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Oh yes. And here are the promos

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iyCLdWm66Hc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-aqTtywDDI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vaWlZGd3srE

And tonight's Vintage is last season's Woody Harrelson/Billy Eyelash opener, in case you missed the 3 times it was rerun, as recently as August 29.

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May 27, 2004

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And the official lineup for the first three episodes:

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This was a rare example of a good one.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJ6WuWeBoY8

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May 27, 2004

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SNL: Now with 100 more tease!

SHVPS4DETH posted:

holy poo poo bill burr?! that's gna be smtg

You can always tell the people who have the OP on Ignore by when they react to the Next Week tease

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May 27, 2004

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Holy poo poo, I think that was Maddie Rice. She used to be in the Stay Human band on Colbert

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DaveWoo posted:

Lot of musical interludes in this episode. Not that I'm complaining.

Yeah, the teases have been expanded from 7 to 15 seconds. Boss!

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May 27, 2004

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show was meh. more live material than I had guessed, but still a lot of pretaped bits. cold open was awful, usual snl cold opens. WU was good.

along with Maddie Rice apparently having replaced Jared Scharff on guitar, longtime trumpeter Earl Gardner (joined in 1985) appears to be gone, having been replaced by Ravi Best, who got a shot during the goodnights. Whether or not this is permanent, I don’t know.

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Sivart13 posted:

and he's gone https://www.vulture.com/2020/10/snl-morgan-wallen-musical-guest-covid-canceled.html

When was the last time there was a late musical guest substitution? Could they even do one with these protocols? They probably can't have Alec Baldwin fill in for the musical guest. Think they'll just stitch in a Zoom call with Coldplay or whatever?

Not necessarily a late substitution, but when Donald Trump’s 2004 show was announced on-air (I think three weeks in advance?) there was no musical guest yet booked. Toots and the Maytals ended up playing, and that felt like a real late booking.

Also: SNL is paying audience members

This is to get around New York’s rules, which state that no live audiences are permitted except crew.

Pretty lovely move by the show.

Edit: How could I forget, Sinead O’Conner famously refused to appear with host Andrew Dice Clay, which gave the world its first (and last) taste of Spanic Boys, thanks to the SNL Band’s G. E. Smith, who got them the last-minute gig. It was a double booking, and Julee Cruise was the other act, performing “Falling,” the theme song from Twin Peaks.

Edit 2: As such, I propose that the SNL Band gets to play two full songs on-air this week.

pwn fucked around with this message at 02:46 on Oct 8, 2020

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May 27, 2004

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Also, god willing, this week we will get the Valerie Bertinelli episode from 1987 in the Vintage slot, so that we can all finally have a non-potato quality version of “Stompin’ 8H.”*

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/that-time-eddie-van-halen-became-an-snl-musical-guest-just-because-he-was-in-the-building

And hey, the official musical guest was Robert Cray Band, not bad either.

*Yes, NBC has it on their site, but I want one I can RECORD and KEEP, okay

Edit: Oh yeah, Notre Dame Football is on Saturday. :eng99:

pwn fucked around with this message at 05:20 on Oct 8, 2020

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May 27, 2004

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Now this is an upgrade over lukewarm country gravy.

https://twitter.com/thirdmanrecords/status/1314646363917955072?s=21

The best possible replacement, second only to the impossible-since-1977 prospect of letting the house band play a number. I’m so stoked.

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May 27, 2004

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Gone are the 15-second teases. Tonight they’re 10 seconds long. Be sure to update your logs

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May 27, 2004

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I hate it when they explain the joke they’re about to do.

“We think you’re too stupid to understand what the joke may be, so here: A labored preface.”

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May 27, 2004

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The moderator didn’t ask her that question. Mike Pence did

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No, don’t juice the Applause sign, let this creep flounder in silence

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DC Murderverse posted:

I'm sure glad that a 50-something white man is here to complain about cancel culture

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May 27, 2004

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That pepper grinder would make kirk johnson blush

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Now that’s how you do that poo poo

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I’m so so glad that morgan walleye dumbshit got booted

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And that horse’s name? Detective Hands

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Still hoping for a full rebroadcast of Stompin’ 8H at the end of the show

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So this is the sponsored bit

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We’re outta time

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10 seconds of EVH will have to do

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Fateo McMurray posted:

buncha white women itt

Thank god someone is speaking up for old white men

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LeafyOrb posted:

Stand-up comedians please stop talking about cancel culture, my brain immediately goes “oh no” every time you bring it up.

Yes.

When they bitch about :airquote: cancel culture :airquote:, what I hear is: “Please stop judging people on their words and actions.” Because very few people actually get “canceled,” the consequences for being a piece of poo poo are generally pretty benign. Oh no, you didn’t get to host the Oscars? You couldn’t go on talk shows for a year? You’re sometimes mocked by people on the street because you like to show your pecker to women without permission? None of that is canceling. Weinstein is canceled. The Cos is canceled. Lauer and Spacey are on the fringes of being canceled, but they’re free and have homes and wealth, so I’d say they’re doing well.

So let’s get to the heart of the matter, Bill. Maybe you overheard someone talking poo poo about John Wayne because of the absolutely abhorrent (even for the time) poo poo he said about race (“I believe in white supremacy”) and native peoples (“I don’t feel we did wrong in taking this great country away from them”) and are bent out of shape because... they formed an opinion of him? Based on poo poo he said? On the record?

God drat it this poo poo is so boring.

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wow
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwu78_xGiAg
Promo!

Wow
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ahHVEy797zs
Cut for Time!

Wow
Tonight’s Vintage: Tom Hanks with Keith Richards, the season 14 premiere from October 8 1988 :O Keep an eye out during Hanks’s monologue for appearances by writers Bob Odenkirk and Conan O’Brien :wow:

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I think what pisses me off most about Jim Carrey’s Biden is how he is a figment of a memory of The Onion’s Diamond Joe, the Joe Biden of ten years ago who never really quite existed as the caricature, rather than the sundowning dude who was propped up for this run by a party who is doing everything in their power to lose what should be the easiest win in American political history.

But whatever. If their dumb pudding-brain take helps at all to get this rear end in a top hat out of the white house, then bring it on

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EL BROMANCE posted:

Estimated time the opening credits roll: 12.10

Is 12.5 minutes close enough to give the man a prize

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btw they’re using jimmy fallon’s unused studio 6B for almost half of the band to play, since they can’t safely get them all on home base.

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So, uh, no tease for next week’s show?

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Aidy in America theme song is clutch.

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Hype! Promo from earlier this week. They never officially uploaded it, so I had to do it myself!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cGK070tOD3A

Nice! Thursday promos with Kate!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tqPHZi3GlyE

Wow! Cut for time last week!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p17zyrxp5Do

Neat fact: This sketch wasn't set to be cut after dress. It was in the rundown for the live show, in act 9, the five-to-1 slot, followed by the eBay commercial (which did air.) It was dropped as the air show ran long. There were two dress cuts, a pretape called “Ring Commercial” (unknown if “Ring” refers to the jewelry or the doorbell camera,) and a live sketch, “Commercial Shoot.” Thanks to my buddy JS for this info!

Also, you may recognize the last shot of that hype promo above. The producer went back to her appearance five years ago in November 2015 and grabbed raw camera footage originally used in this live tease before her first song:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WVD-e7Mucv0

And guess what episode is tonight's Vintage? It's Kate Hudson and Radiohead from October 14, 2000. This episode was covered on the most recent episode of That Week in SNL, which you can listen to here or wherever you consume your podcasts, if for some reason you aren't already a regular listener. And if so: Why not?

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The Strokes? Is it already 2003 again

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Sneeing Emu posted:

Oh poo poo, Mulaney Halloween episode!

The show’s first Leap Day episode earlier this year and now the first Halloween episode in 28 years.

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BigBallChunkyTime posted:

Who's that Alfred E Newman looking motherfucker?

Neuman, and Andrew Dismukes

pwn
May 27, 2004

This Christmas get "Shoes"









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Shitlibs: (props up an oatmeal-brain husk of a candidate throughout primaries)
Also shitlibs: why is he unable to argue well :qq:

pwn
May 27, 2004

This Christmas get "Shoes"









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Love me a good old fashioned Susudio joke

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pwn
May 27, 2004

This Christmas get "Shoes"









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What SNL does best: Laying out the reference they’re about to make so everyone sure gets the joke

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