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Research: I-02, if I understand it right, these research goals will eventually allow us to mutate me a second head, thus making me twice as communist. Industry: F-06, comrades, if I have learned anything, it's that anything with "radical" in the name is the superior choice. F-07: Abstain, all this thinking is making my brain hurt. DP-5: Yes, we must bring communism, and me, into space as soon as possible. Ideally with a comically large Soviet flag to plant on the moon, large enough to be visible form Earth.
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Oct 16, 2020 06:33
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I ride bikes all day posted:Perhaps more relevant than the political status of a lunar colony, we should be asking why. What is the benefit of this proposed colony? The costs of creating and supporting it are sure to be substantial, and to what benefit for the workers? Surely we don’t intend to do such a thing simply because we can, like the wasteful Americans did a decade ago? Comrade, please. Consider it to be a morale-building exercise. As a government we demonstrate our mastery of space, our control of such a large artifact of nature as the Moon, and once we can control it we can carve a hundreds-of-miles-wide hammer and sickle into the surface facing Earth, forever reminding everyone of the true path. It will also be a useful test of our ability to expand into the solar system before setting up facilities elsewhere, like Mars and the moons of Jupiter, closer to home while we work out the initial difficulties, but that sounds like boring nerd stuff.
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Oct 17, 2020 04:55
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The Hawaiians aren't harming anyone, unless they start being overtly and disgustingly capitalist and abusing their citizenry, I propose that we leave them alone. Though if they attempt any landgrabs in the solar system, that should be opposed. Space belongs to everyone, not a single nation, a single people or a single corporation. Also, I've been thinking about all this radiation lying around and getting people upset and I've come up with a genius solution to it! Step 1: Load all radioactive soil, water, air and objects into large metal drums. Step 2: Load all these drums on to a space rocket. Step 3: Fire this rocket into the Sun! In one smooth move, composed of three smooth sub-steps, we'll be rid of all the nasty radiation! It'll also demonstrate our resolve and technological superiority to all earth-bound and extraterrestrial observers. I encourage all members of the council to support my project!
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Oct 18, 2020 20:42
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Clearly the solution is to colonize more planets so we have more places to ship colonists. How about Mars? Europa? Venus?
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Oct 23, 2020 09:38
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Luna: A, freedom for all! Let's reward the brave explorers and settlers of Luna with self-determination. Gladio: D, if there's anything that history has taught us, it's that to give capitalists, reactionaries and fascists even an inch simply means they'll drag you for a mile. Time to burn them out. Survey Ship: AA, why would a survey ship need armor? We should also give the system an exhaustive survey, but of course the bigger bodies are more likely to be interesting to us. S-17: Yes, removing radiation with TN technologies... like... say, a giant cannon for firing the radioactive soil and water into the sun? I'm glad that my ideas have finally found traction. I'll support this. F-18: Yes, self-governance for all as long as they aren't capitalists. F-19: Yes, no reason to oppose this one. JR-20: No, we already know that there are extra-terrestrials with armed ships. Not developing any warfleet of our own would be folly. A-21: Yes, with the Gladio fascists detected on the moon, it's time to pull them out by the roots. S-22: Yes, it's obvious what a bottleneck our lack of decent transports have been for colonizing Luna, and that's our own back yard. Y-23: Yes, a constructed secondary language would be an excellent way to show that the Comintern favours no nationality or culture above any other.
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Oct 26, 2020 11:30
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I'm telling you all, going "gently gently" with fascist holdouts is just going to give them room to grow and fester. You'll be sorry for not listening to my genius some day. Time to get a crew assignment to one of the new survey vessels so I can go "I told you so" from the orbit of Saturn when Mussolini Prime emerges from the ashes of Detroit and incinerates a peacekeeping platoon with its laser eyes.
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Oct 28, 2020 11:46
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Yvonmukluk posted:A full-blown military crackdown at this juncture would be using a sledgehammer to kill a fly. We've had only two recorded relatively small incidents of terrorism, and while one is too many, an international crackdown would be seen as excessive by many onlookers and as vindication by the conspirators. The subtle approach is what's needed here, both in investigation and our defences. Well, who cares if the conspirators feel vindicated? They're allowed to feel good for a minute before being put in front of the firing squad.
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Oct 28, 2020 16:17
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What's fundamentally the more effective strategy? Building up a single powerful center of industry and using it to jumpstart others one at a time, or focusing on seeding dozens of smaller colonies and letting them grow with minimal support from a home base mostly focused on just pumping out seed operations?
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Oct 29, 2020 13:22
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Mister Bates posted:- Whether or not to continue the Socialist Aid Program, which has already had an enormous positive effect, but is also taking up 10% of our total industrial capacity. The very essence of socialism is aiding others. Ceasing the Socialist Aid Program as long as there's anyone to benefit from it would be to go against the very grain of what we are.
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Oct 31, 2020 20:49
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Prefixes: Vote G, the revolution never ends, not even in space! Research: Vote B, D, C Socialist Aid Program: Vote A I-24, Repeal the No First Strike Doctrine: Yes, if we discover capitalism in space, we must be ever ready to destroy it! A-25, Service Medals: Vote Yes K-26, Adoption of a Revolutionary Rank Structure: Vote Yes F-27, Drunken Industrial Bear: Vote Yes F-28, Research Optimization Cleanup: Vote Yes F-29, A Ten-Year Service Medal: Vote Yes L-30, Low-Gravity Infrastructure: Vote No, I see little reason to settle tiny rocks in space. Anything not small enough to be categorized as, at least, a moon, should be ignored in terms of space settlement. I-31, Five-Year Plans: Vote Yes H-32, The Mars Program: Vote Yes N-33, the TNE Reuse, Reduce, and Recycling Act: Vote Yes, when you waste resources, you're producing alongside Senator "The Devil Himself" McCarthy, or, uh, something. Waste bad, also capitalist excess. N-34, the Public Broadcasting Service: Vote Yes, information wants to be free! S-35, FESTER: Vote Yes A-36, Space Autonomy Model: Vote Yes A-37, A Common Language for Space: Vote Yes
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Nov 3, 2020 10:31
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You know, even though it looks primitive, the interface really works well for making space feel empty and a bit haunted.
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Mister Bates posted:May 20, 1981 I ride bikes all day posted:Never, ever trust PurpleXVI. Ever. C'mon, what trouble could I possibly get into without weapons and engines? Hey, why doesn't this thing have any engines and weapons? How am I supposed to destroy the forces of interstellar capital from here?! I feel strangely as though someone has been very canny with this posting...
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Nov 8, 2020 09:45
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Antilles posted:Indeed, this Gladios problem seems to be a bigger and deeper issue than previously feared. We should look to creating a special task force to deal with them, perhaps with counter-intelligence training since they seem to be heavily into cloak and dagger work. Maybe even set aside lab time to upgrade the intelligence gathering ability of the satelites? Perhaps if the surveillance outpost were to be fitted with some sort of experimental orbit-to-surface weaponry so their noble and extremely ethical commander could simply vaporize the fascists from orbit as they were detected... Alternately ship me up a box of titanium rods and I'll just start eyeballing the shots and dropping them out of the airlock.
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Nov 9, 2020 09:32
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I propose that we arm my surveillance station so I can be a mighty god in the skies, dispensing justice from above.
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zanni posted:Secondly, the assertion 'give the land back' means mass resettlement of anyone that isn't part of a native nation. I thought this should be obvious, but the INRA's question is about ownership, not inhabitation. The native nations would get the ability to choose what to do on their own land again, choose how to use natural resources, choose what is allowable. Gone would be the days of settlers showing up with unconsented 'official' plans and an army of police at their back, ignoring the lack of consent from native nations to use their lands. Thing is, if you assume that the late-comer settlers are allowed to stay where they are, and that they have a right to democratic self-determination like anyone else, a lot of the original inhabitants will end up minorities in their "own" land anyway. If they have a profoundly different vision for how to run it, and what treaties and etc. to keep and scrap, they might well not actually be given a chance to implement said vision because the settler majority will just overrule them in the various democratic organs of the new state. So it feels like if you don't resettle the settlers, the original residents might not actually harvest any benefit unless you allow them some form of society where the later settlers are second-class citizens with less democratic powers. The only place where it feels like the natives would gain any real benefits of self-determination would be if they were given control of areas where they're already the ethnic majority, but it seems like that would mostly result in a bunch of economically fragile enclaves that might well have a hard time surviving, in the way of very small states everywhere, without resorting to being tax havens or otherwise attempting to become the lowest local bidder for something to ultimately the detriment of themselves and everyone in the region.
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idhrendur posted:ooc: My support for decolonization is envisioning a bit less, I suppose. I'd like to imagine a world where some BS from my hometown is impossible (a Chumash burial ground got mostly bulldozed for a Wal-Mart, apart from 1.5 acres preserved after much negotiation. 1.5 acres completely surrounded by the parking lot, which is certainly not what I'd want for the graves of my ancestors). Well, that crossed with the recent efforts of real-life California to assist in the return of sacred sites to tribes. Full autonomy is perhaps extreme, but the kind of fight we're having now is half the fun of a you play! OOC: Yeah, I'd say the "no-duh" parts would be that indigenous groups would have 100%, no hidden clauses, control over any surviving cultural sites. But in general there should be a respect for cultural sites over the needs of capitalism.
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Pacho posted:[good post!] I'd argue that in a scenario where these people have already been freed from capitalism, a lot of the power imbalance that prevents them from governing themselves and from having a voice in their own local affairs would already be gone, and largely what would be left would be to guarantee their cultural sites(because while a socialist state might not bulldoze their temples for profit, it might do so to build housing blocks) and enshrine their right to teach their language and culture in schools(since hiding, twisting or outright banning these is often part of attempting to destroy natives' identities). But yeah, the details will always come down to the local communities. Some will merely want their cultural artifacts safeguarded, others will feel a need for more(perhaps economic reparations for sites or property destroyed/stolen in the semi-recent past), for some certain symbolic moves(like knocking over the statues of colonizers or at the very least adding plaques recognizing their crimes as well as their accomplsihments, etc.) will give them a feeling that they and their concerns are taken seriously.
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Nov 13, 2020 07:15
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welfarestateofmind posted:We would engage in this commission and process as outlined earnestly. Which is, I'd like to point out, probably the most important part. A well-intentioned set of rules and regulations will be abused if no one wants to follow the spirit of them, while a terrible set of rules and regulations will still largely work out if everyone involved in the bureaucracy knows when and how to bypass or shortcut them for the sake of the citizen on the receiving end. The most important part of a socialist future, in other words, is socialist spirit, to do everything in the spirit of helping, uplifting and enfranchising our fellow human beings(and other sapients in the future), and to engage in projects that inspire this spirit in every citizen of every ethnicity and every culture. Which isn't to say that we shouldn't make good legislation that's easy to follow, because we absolutely should, but it won't work if the people don't believe in it, and it will work much better if they do.
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HC-40, Integrate North America: YES S-41, Research and Deploy Spying Technology: NO, gather intelligence on the enemy is yes, not shooting the fascists is no. A-42, Surveil the Mars Ruins: YES, also if you need an extremely competent and cool-headed archeologist fella who would in no way attempt to collect any potential alien weaponry to head the expedition, remember this guy! I-44, Administrative Overhaul: YES, the Comintern needs to be constantly evolving with the new developments of the times. NM-47, the Trans-Newtonian Global Network Project: TRAINS TRAINS TRAINS TRAINS TRAINS, er, I mean "yes." P-50, X-COM: YES, and in case you need to cut any corners, be sure to save on giving them decent hair cuts. Also just in case they should ever need to subdue a non-sapient alien creature in self defense, clearly they must all be armed with stun batons. Z-51, IRPA: YES, but with reservations. We must make sure that this does not become a project for the creation of ethnostates or the like. W-54, Medals: YES W-55, Rename the Comintern: YES H-56, More Medals: YES
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Nov 14, 2020 22:55
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I like them both, but I think NewMars' takes the lead for me because it incorporates the classic hammer and sickle. The advantage of Veloxyll's is that it can be shunted off to the upper left of any given flag easily, to indicate that they have their own nation and sovereignty, but are nonetheless members of the Comintern alliance. Might be time to update the classic hammer and sickle for the new age, though. I always felt that our timeline's flag of Mozambique got something right there. Book, hoe and gun. Science/education, labour and the arms that protect them.
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Nov 23, 2020 10:46
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HiHo ChiRho posted:Let's think about this rationally comrades. Sure it seems that we are receiving a distress signal from a US naval ship thought lost at sea for over 60 years, but it could mean Operation Gladio is more advanced than we thought I think it's time to train some of those advanced sensors on the Bermuda Triangle from orbit. Either there's some sort of alien time/space warp gate or we've got underwater fascists.
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Aside from new earthside scanning priorities, obviously yes I'm also throwing my vote behind an immediate landing followed by some form of rescue attempt.
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Dec 16, 2020 00:04
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Dec 19, 2020 09:29
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Since clearly any Comintern citizen, soldier or politician could potentially be kidnapped by aliens at any moment, as we've now learned, and be subjected to mysterious iniquities and incomprehensible tortures, I submit that all citizens be implanted with a cyanide tooth that they may destroy themselves at will to spite the alien invaders.
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The Awake: A, imagine if we could perhaps have a television crew among them, recording their introduction to modern things, norms and politics. It would be a lighthearted experience that would bring much-needed mirth to the people of Earth. Also if they integrate better than the remaining capitalists, we could use it to make fun of them. The Asleep: B, if the TV show is a hit, we're gonna need enough for a second and third season. The Site: C, plus also ship them a bunch more guns in case there are alien security constructs that they need to engage in running gun battles so we can dismantle them and study their advanced technology. The Discord: N, honestly, I wouldn't have the time to actively roleplay and debate there, and I honestly feel like for those who do not, we would miss out on stuff if a lot of the chatter moves there. Secondly, frankly, considering the highly political nature of this LP I'd be pretty worried it would require a lot of very active moderation from some very competent people to avoid any drama or slapfights starting up.
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Feb 6, 2021 01:39
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Fivemarks posted:I think we've found our reason to colonize Mars, extensively. I mean the reason is that it's Mars, The Red Planet. I guess this is also an okay supplementary reason, though.
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Feb 9, 2021 18:01
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Maybe if we're lucky the aliens will have scored some stalks of Silphium for their little garden. Now there's something that would make the entire trip worth it.
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Mister Bates posted:The four ships of the Berowra-class clear the slipways at the Interkosmos and Gateway stations and are officially commissioned into service. Due to a data entry error they're commissioned under the Earth Surveillance command; this is rectified a few hours later. Yes... a "data error." Nothing to do with Earth Surveillance command wanting to have a few spaceships to play with... Mister Bates posted:fun fact, the German navy had, by 1918, been heavily infiltrated by communist agitators, and a sailors' mutiny would trigger the German Revolution just a few months after these men were abducted The historical trivia is part of why I love this LP. 
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Feb 11, 2021 13:22
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NewMars posted:That reminds me, for the next vote, I gotta put up a measure to get my flag adopted. That's the one below for reference (the blue circle is earth, so comintern nations can strip out the star and hammer and sickle to put in their own iconography). This is a quite good flag.
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Feb 16, 2021 00:56
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Fivemarks posted:gently caress it, let's take their deal. Let's go one up on their deal, and suggest a conference with the Hawaiians, Indians, and the Japanese about joint human space defense. Share with them all of our findings about the Roswell aliens and the Cydonia outpost. Agreed. If there's anything that would convince them that we should not go it separately, but together, proof that there's a potential humanity-ending threat out there should do it.
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Feb 16, 2021 10:35
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I suppose it depends on what we achieve by showing them the potential for alien violence among the stars. If they agree this means a united front, and it feels as though diplomatic pressure and good treatment over years might bring them into the Comintern fold? Give them some line to run with. If it feels like this just makes them more determined to be space emperors? Deny them.
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If Japan wants to get into space, they definitely have to consent to Comintern weapons inspectors and signing a treaty agreeing to bring no weapons into space, nor producing any weapons in space. The same should go for the Hawaiians, really. Not to mention, as people say, every settlement of a certain size being guaranteed the right to vote for independence or comintern membership from Japan, and Japan generally signing treaties binding them to guarantee workers' rights and the like. Oh and, of course, this is all going to be contingent on them assisting in the total eradication of GLADIO. If we get the faintest hint that they're holding anything back in that arena, the deal's off and they'll be considered a hostile political entity.
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SavageGentleman posted:Because we're still sharing a planet with them and they can and will use their significant resources (TNEs, intel, connections to everyone who hates the COMINTERN, nukes) to absolutely gently caress us if we act like an aggressive overlord? Then maybe we should counter-Gladio them. Pretend to consider their proposal, set up an embassy, initiate seemingly-peaceful relations, all the while making contact with sympathetic elements in Japanese society(trade unions and the like), whom we train and arm to infiltrate and overthrow the Japanese government. If Japan is provably involved with Gladio, then they've been assassinating Comintern citizens and destroying Comintern infrastructure for a while now, and they should be considered a hostile political entity that is to be brought down. Obviously this will cause some chaos, but we could keep troops ready close by to act as peacekeepers once our comrades in SICKLE(Society of International Communists, Killing Liberal Enemies) have made enough progress that they can prevent or slow any suicidal use of nuclear weaponry during the early stages of the resulting peacekeeping operation.
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SavageGentleman posted:Re. the post above: People in this thread need more trust in the COMINTERN and its power to prevail in a just competition of systems. Hang on lemme just open the history book here and see when these "just competitions of systems" have occurred in the past... hmmm... yes... let's see... are you referring to any of the periods where capitalists have used bribery("lobbying"), mercenaries, lies and outright assassination to destroy competing ideologies? You can have a "just competition of systems" between two different perceptions of how a socialist system should be run, but not with capitalists. Their entire system is based on deceit and inequality. It's like trying to have a reasoned debate with a fascist, who'll just make monkey noises at you, then when you ask him to please knock it off, declare himself the winner because you lost your cool first. Attempting to maintain the moral high ground will simply result in us getting backstabbed by our supposed capitalist "friends" when they feel like it'll win them the debate.
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Telsa Cola posted:From a background standpoint we should absolutely be more freaked out about the whole nuke thing btw, given the severe cultural trauma everyone is bound to have. I agree, anything that removes nuclear weapons from the grubby hands of capitalists too greedy to be trusted with them, is a big deal.
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zanni posted:And I don't consider 'comrades' who are bloodthirsty ideologues who constantly advocate for wars of expansion and conquest, and obsessed with the tracking down and murdering of a nebulous enemy 'elite', as any better than a loving fascist. Zurai posted:Yeah, the bloodthirst this event has spurred is really, really turning my stomach. See, the thing is, I don't think anyone here wants to kill, really. We'd love for there to be a peaceful, negotiated solution. We just do not trust that a compromise at this stage won't set the stage for much worse conflict later on. When has a capitalist society ever accepted the existence of a communist society? When have they attempted anything but to cripple or destroy it, no matter how peaceful and democratic it was? If we hand them technology now, they'll weaponize it and turn it on us as soon as possible. And we don't trust that the capitalists would ever negotiate with us in good faith besides. Not to mention that a compromise with a capitalist society is effectively accepting the existence of a non-inclusive caste society next door, simply because we don't want to get our hands dirty doing something about it. If we consider ourselves communists, I'd say we have a duty to attempt the liberation of every sapient being we encounter. If we can force a bloodless surrender? Great. If we can convince them that we've got the better way of life? Perfect. But we have to be prepared for the fact that capitalists would rather drop nukes out of spite than accept a more equal society.
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Zurai posted:Then people need to stop rattling sabers and demanding humiliating capitulation. Let's not Interwar Germany them, please. I mean, if they consider it "humiliating capitulation" to accept basic human rights(food, shelter, education, freedom of association, religion, organization, etc.) for all citizens and to de-colonize minority populations, then are they really a government we can strike a good faith deal with?
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