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I personally think it might be some manner of open revolt/ internal quarrel maybe? That certainly seems likely to be what could cause our alien "friends" difficulty?
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Mister Bates posted:The silence is broken by one of them - Hans, the diver turned impromptu EVA specialist - snorting, giggling, and finally roaring with laughter. His crewmates roll their eyes at him as he walks over to the space-suited scientists, claps one jovially on the back, and shouts, through barely-controlled laughter, "Kameraden!" Absolutely wonderful. Thank you for this.
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Feb 11, 2021 11:15
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How many years do our comrades in the technical colleges believe it will be till we can get more viable ships for reaching beyond our solar system up and running?
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Feb 15, 2021 21:52
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I agree with NewMars to an extent, but I don't think anyone wishes to have a big war, or to start a cold one. If we can do some level of trade that benefits the people of Japan more so than their rulers, then that is something we should pursue. We should see how far we can go to ensure the betterment of all peoples, even those living under liberal or worse regimes.
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Feb 16, 2021 10:49
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Pirate Radar posted:They say they don’t want a new Cold War, but that’s likely what we’ll get if we say yes. They clearly view us as a threat, while (allowing for disagreement within the huge and disparate Comintern) our attitude towards them is at best suspicious. That won’t go away if we bring them into the Trans-Newtonian space age with us. At the same time, if we say no, it buys us a war of some kind. I think if we don’t reject them outright we should do our best to promote this as a gesture towards the United Nations and not towards Japan directly. We can afford to view them with suspicion because we have the stronger hand. In truth I do not believe that Japan or any other of the old "nation states" can really compete with us even as a combined force, and as such they act as if we are already the aggressor. It is what they would do in our place. However we can show that we are not like them. The arguments against giving them space flight is that they will set up empires. Whilst that could be so we cannot truly prevent them from launching spaceflight of their own. They will do so with the help of the Hawaiians and will no doubt reach some level of space flight eventually. We can extend a hand towards the people of Japan at the same time that we are dealing with their rulers in a more "hard nosed" manner. I will leave the negotiation to those amongst you who are more understanding of these matters, but as one additional item. It is interesting how much Japan seemingly wishes to divest themselves of the United States in almost all ways. It would be extremely interesting to have a fly on the wall to imagine how much difficulty they are causing. Josef bugman fucked around with this message at 11:24 on Feb 16, 2021 |
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Feb 16, 2021 11:18
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NewMars posted:I do want to make it clear that the absolute last thing the UAWR wants is a war. What we want is guarantees of an end to leftist suppression within the nation of Japan. Plus the decolonization thing, that's good too. I don't believe that they are suppressed? From what we know: Mister Bates posted:Japan, which was almost entirely undamaged by the war, has managed to chart a careful course. They have mostly appeased the Japanese Communist Party and other socialist groups (a significant minority in the Japanese political landscape) by enacting sweeping social and economic reforms and pursuing a policy of official neutrality with the Comintern, while at the same time massively expanding the JSDF, taking in exiles from America and other capitalist powers, and reinforcing the power of the central government. The Japanese mainland is effectively unassailable militarily, and their economy remains fairly strong (they're pretty much the only remaining non-Comintern power with a developed high-tech industrial sector). What's left of the United Nations is headquartered in Osaka.
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Feb 16, 2021 11:27
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Sanev.Khan posted:Then we tell them to stick their proposition where the sun don't bloody shine and come back to them when we have TN anti-missile ships, stations or troops. How many lives should all sides lose in order to justify this? If we can reach some manner of agreement that involves the creation of more free people then that is all to the good and simply responding with force is not the only option available to us.
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Feb 16, 2021 11:51
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Sanev.Khan posted:And how many will we let their capitalists kill in their own country and abroad when they, as capitalism always does, export misery to other poorer countries? The other nations are, with the exception of a very small number, based in Comintern nations. Very few nations have the ability to project force beyond their borders at this point in time because, well, hundreds of thousands have died in horrific wars already. I do not think that it is right to throw away the lives of brave and good comrades at a problem that can be solved, at least in part, through negotiation and diplomacy. They will reach space. The Hawaiians will work with them and will prevent us from having space superiority for the simple reason that we would be attacking people from space. It is all well to claim that we can do these things, but I do not believe it is the best use of the potential that we possess here. The points that I appreciate and believe are good starters for negotiation are the release of Japan's occupied areas, and the idea that we can help them but we will not simply "grant" them space flight. We will help their people, not the ones in charge. It would be not unexpected that Japan may end up in the situation we were in with Luna but will respond far more poorly then we can simply swoop in to assist their voyagers through space.
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Feb 16, 2021 12:06
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Mister Bates posted:The UN as it exists now has very questionable continuity from the former organization by that name and detractors have called it an instrument of Japanese foreign policy. HA. Yeah, in which case we should come to quorum within the representatives of Comintern and then talk to Japan, setting for red lines and so on. If the "UN" is simply a cypher for Japanese interests then it serves no purpose for us to justify it unless our members wish to.
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Feb 16, 2021 14:58
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I don't think we can really be too wedded to the idea that we will not allow Capitalists into space considering that we share part of Luna with a monarchy.
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Feb 16, 2021 16:55
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Crazycryodude posted:There's a slight difference between letting figurehead monarchies stick around for silly cultural reasons and being an active contributor to reviving one of the major colonial empires of the century imo Still Monarchists, still Capitalists. Also the idea that Hawaii and other antipodean powers would not help Japan into space is ignored throughout your narrative. The bigger question is to what level we should check up on things and try to come to an arrangement with Japan. Personally I don't think we should simply "give" things to the government of Japan, but we should attempt to maximise the good we can do for the people. Currently the Japanese elective system is returning a large subset of Communist and other Socialist parties. They have not yet reached the point where that is enough to join comintern but it very well could be within less than the next few years.
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Feb 16, 2021 17:02
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I think that trying to tell what others think is a good idea. War should, obviously, be off the table but I can't say I disagree with what a lot of folks are saying about creating new things. I'd just really rather not have anything like the sabre rattling we saw earlier. Disagreement and even some level of friction should be fine, but I think no-one is in the right place for conflict.
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Feb 17, 2021 18:27
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NewMars posted:Swamp maoists are still considered a joke, even by the comintern. We keep getting messages that "we will rue the day!" I am not quite sure what we are ruing?
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Mar 10, 2021 16:04
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Gwyneth Palpate posted:Really, is prison WORSE than being trapped on the most wanted submarine on the planet? How much shore leave did any of those guys get, you reckon? God can you imagine the smell in there?
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Aug 14, 2021 20:31
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So the queen isn't there. Maybe she made off with the warheads? Alongside that I do find it interesting how much the various different Gladio operations seem to be just barely stitched together things held up by the desperate and the dying.
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Aug 15, 2021 15:54
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There is always a choice. What has happened here is tragic but it is also important to note what a victory this has been. We've been able to prevent large scale death and destruction, we've been able to ensure that the future we are all working towards can continue to happen, and we have ensured that it is very unlikely that any event of this kind will occur soon. The one thing I hope for is that we can find who has been backing these monsters, at least then we can find out fully what they sought to achieve by killing so many people.
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Sep 17, 2021 12:33
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It seems odd that anyone could look at this and continue to believe that Capitalism represents a future for anything other than the earth as a burned out husk. Those of us in the Republic of Great Britain are eager to have Thatchers body returned to us, such that she can be interned into the communal toilet that we have built atop the graves of all those who oppressed us. Alongside that, do we think it'd be possible to have our intelligence assets investigate (alongside member nations of Comintern) without turning things into a comical over-reaction? We do not want to leave our world a burned out husk either and prison sentences may be better than firing squad for many of those caught.
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Oct 3, 2021 11:16
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Pirate Radar posted:I’m in favor of converting one, to get the Mars work started as soon as possible. If we feel like the loss of freight capacity hurts we can lay down another freighter at the same time. 100% this.
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Jun 9, 2022 12:27
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It's the "very not us" that gets me. I suspect that whilst sentient species may require communism to reach the stars, it might be that reaction can still creep in.
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Kangxi posted:local sichuanese man, 82, has one weird trick to survive purges, party rectification campaigns, and more Commisars Hate Him.
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1) Voting in favour of the bridge. 2) Cool to see Montana lore and that was super neat. 3) Glad to see we are back!
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