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Boksi
Jan 11, 2016
Research: G-03
Industry: F-06
F-07: Abstain
DP-05: Yes

I must ask, however, what will be the political status of the moon colony? And of space itself, for that matter? Can a single polity stretch between multiple planets? With our new technology we can travel to the moon in less time than it takes to travel across the Soviet Union by airplane, so distance isn't such an issue anymore.

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Boksi
Jan 11, 2016
Hawaii definitely has some outside aid. I can buy them having the technical knowhow needed to design that ship, but the sheer amount of materials and highly-skilled labor needed to build it, especially this quickly and secretly, is just too much for such a small nation. That said, until we know more, there's nothing to be gained from antagonizing them so we should just congratulate them and try to step up our timetables for the lunar outpost. And maybe just perhaps investigate how this happened through, ah, unofficial channels.

I also have a few proposals of my own: Firstly, a project to design improved hydroponics facilities, with an emphasis on modularity and ease of manufacture and maintenance. We have some on the moon right now, but they're a bit ad hoc and mostly intended to supplement rather than entirely replace supply shipments. Once put into production, we can also sell them to non-affiliated nations who lack food security or want to join the space race themselves.

Secondly, a proposal to raise a single security battalion(infantry with personal weapons) of the Comintern army as a test of the new army structures, and to stand guard around Ascension Island. In addition, we will also purchase a number of good, reliable trucks(vehicles with logistics modules), and build a quartermaster corps capable of supplying a small army, ostensibly for humanitarian aid missions. We could raise more soldiers, but I feel like that would raise tensions too much. Building up our supply infrastructure is less provoking, and will still allow us to ramp up training more quickly if need be.

Boksi
Jan 11, 2016
NM-08: No
NM-09: Yes
B-11: Yes
K-10: Yes
JR-13: Yes

Research: C, A, B

As an aside, I don't doubt that the Hawaiians are very much on guard right now, so it might be better to investigate the polities connected to the kingdom rather than trying to go straight in. Also, I forgot to propose expanding the space docks. We'll definitely have to do that sooner or later.

Boksi
Jan 11, 2016
I do like the suggestion of developing a survey vessel. In fact, I hereby propose the Solar System Surveying Act, which would authorize the following:
1: The development of a commercial nuclear-thermal engine for use in our survey craft and other vessels. Although a ship carrying active sensors like a geological survey sensor would be classified as a military vessel, the fuel efficiency of a commercial engine is still desirable in this case.
2: The development of basic thermal and EM sensors, just in case. It's unlikely there's anything hidden out there, but the Roswell aliens make me paranoid about it. They don't take up much space, anyway.
3: The design and construction of up to four geological survey vessels, using the previously designed technologies. They must also have facilities and space for supplies to operate up to two years away from Earth at a minimum, while still maintaining a speed above 1000 km/s. I am confident this is achievable.
4: The geological survey of the entire solar system, using those same vessels, starting with its planets and moons before moving onto asteroids and comets.

Boksi
Jan 11, 2016

idhrendur posted:

Even if we limit our surveys to the inner part of the system, we should survey the asteroid belt now.

It'll take a long time and most asteroids will have nothing of value, and what asteroids do have valuable deposits of TNEs won't have big ones. That's why I want to focus on the planets and moons of the solar system first - not only are the finds potentially more valuable in terms of resources, some of them are also potential colonies. We may even be able to terraform them. The asteroids can come later, especially since we don't have the technology to exploit them efficiently yet.

Boksi
Jan 11, 2016
It may sound heartless, but I feel like the best response to this Gladio situation is to not do anything openly beyond some platitudes and vague gestures. There's two options here: Either it's just a single terrorist act and a copycat, in which case it's a tragedy but there's not much we can do about those who are already dead, and all that remains is a thorough investigation into who's responsible. The other possibility is that it is a genuine terrorist conspiracy capable of infiltrating Lunagrad and France, and presumably other places around the globe, in which case there will be further attacks until we root them out or they achieve... whatever it is they're trying to achieve. And if it is indeed a conspiracy, then a bunch of conspicuously-uniformed soldiers are security theater at most. No, what we need is a counterintelligence operation. If they skulk in the shadows, then so will we.

Since we don't know who performed these two attacks, our avenues for investigation are limited. We must bide our time and be careful, even if it does mean more lives will be regrettably lost. Rather than immediately rushing in to arrest as soon as we find evidence, we need to pull at the strings until we can find the spider sitting at the center of the web. Of course it'll be difficult, they're probably split into a network of cells, and I doubt most of the cells know much about where they get their orders from, but it's still a better option than just smacking down cells as soon as you find them and never finding the source.

Boksi
Jan 11, 2016

Stairmaster posted:

We should consider a military build up to stamp out the lingering stronghold's of reaction

Sounds like a good way to get us nuked some more.

Boksi
Jan 11, 2016
Lunagrad: BACD

Gladio: ABDC

Survey ships: BA

Survey priorities: ABC

S-17: No
F-18: Yes
F-19: Abstain
JR-20: Yes
A-21: Yes
S-22: Yes
Y-23: No

Boksi
Jan 11, 2016

PurpleXVI posted:

Well, who cares if the conspirators feel vindicated? They're allowed to feel good for a minute before being put in front of the firing squad.

Yeah, we're just gonna magically find the conspirators and not make any sort of mess or mistakes or anything, and they'll definitely be the ringleaders of the whole operation and not just some low-level flunkies operating on a need-to-know basis.

Boksi
Jan 11, 2016
There really isn't much point to a design competition at this point, since all the designs are probably going to end up being fairly similar. I'd go with something like Foxfire's design, but with some added maintenance storage, which doesn't take up much space and means the ship won't have to return to earth to repair its sensors if they break.

Boksi
Jan 11, 2016
Actually, now that I think about it, there is one alternative geosurvey design we could build. I don't actually support it, since I think designing a single commercial engine that can also be used by freighters is a better idea, but we can also do something like this:

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Small Fry class Geological Survey Craft (P)      498 tons       12 Crew       123 BP       TCS 10    TH 5    EM 0
502 km/s      Armour 1-5       Shields 0-0       HTK 3      Sensors 0/0/0/1      DCR 0      PPV 0
Maint Life 2.38 Years     MSP 35    AFR 20%    IFR 0.3%    1YR 8    5YR 127    Max Repair 100 MSP
Lieutenant Commander    Control Rating 1   
Intended Deployment Time: 12 months    Morale Check Required    

Nuclear Thermal Engine  EP5.00 (1)    Power 5.0    Fuel Use 284.60%    Signature 5.00    Explosion 10%
Fuel Capacity 90,000 Litres    Range 11.4 billion km (263 days at full power)

Geological Survey Sensors (1)   1 Survey Points Per Hour

This design is classed as a Fighter for production, combat and planetary interaction

Since it's classified as a fighter, it can be built groundside by conventional industry or fighter factories, using a separate pool of fighter-only build points so it won't interfere with our groundside construction projects.

That said, while I don't support building geosurvey fighters, I do think investing in the development of fightercraft is a good idea.

Boksi
Jan 11, 2016
We are currently researching railguns and plasma carronades. I don't mind it, it's only one lab on each and the main purpose is on-the-job training rather than anything more significant, but it go me thinking. There are many forms of armaments we could put into space if need be, but there's no reason to pursue all of them. We should decide on a few types to focus on - maybe not now, since there's no urgent need, but at some point in the future. I've already noted my preference towards fightercraft, so I'm a bit leery towards plasma carronades, which are big and require big generators. I also think missiles will undoubtedly play a role in any hypothetical space war, but I'd rather keep away from too much development in that area for now - the nonaligned polities of Earth probably won't like hearing that "the commies are developing better nukes".

Boksi
Jan 11, 2016

Rhjamiz posted:

I’m in favor of a Star Destroyer Doctrine, which can absolutely make use of fighter screens, while also allowing us to put those cannonades to use. Is there a smaller weapon that compliments both that we can put research into?

I've already mentioned missiles, but there's also energy weapons and kinetic weapons. These use different specialists, which is important to keep in mind - we should be using at least one type of energy weapon if we want to make use of all our specialists.

Lasers: Long-ranged and reasonably powerful. The standard, so to speak.
Mesons: Only ever do 1 damage but bypass shields and sometimes also armor.
Microwaves: Only damage shields and electronics.
Particle Beams: Less damage than lasers, but do full damage even at maximum range. Can't be put in turrets so their maximum tracking speed is limited by ship speed.
Plasma carronades: Short range, high power, can't be put in turrets. Only requires 1 tech to research unlike the other weapons systems.
Railguns: Less range than lasers, but fires four-shot bursts, so a higher damage potential.
Gauss cannons: Only ever do 1 damage, but don't need reactors, have a very rapid rate of fire and can be made very small at the cost of accuracy. Used to make CIWS.

Boksi
Jan 11, 2016
One more thing I want to add the the ongoing weapons discussion is sensors and stealth. Big ships, powerful engines and big active sensors are all easy to detect. Fighters are hard to detect because they're small with small engines, so that's one way to go about being stealthy, but there's also the possibility of using cloaking technology and baffled engines to reduce the signatures of larger ships - this would be a large investment, but being able to strike at an enemy that can't strike back is a big advantage. This approach definitely favors the use of missiles, since they can have sensors built-in, and shipborne active sensors can't be masked; they're big loud pings that even the most rudimentary EM sensor can detect from very far away.

Boksi
Jan 11, 2016
Prefixes: AFEBCDG
Research: ACBD
Aid Program: ABC

I-24: No
A-25: Yes
K-26: Abstain
F-27: Yes
F-28: Yes
F-29: No
L-30: No
I-31: Yes
H-32: Yes
N-33: Yes
N-34: Yes
S-35: Yes
A-36: Yes
A-37: No

Boksi
Jan 11, 2016

Crazycryodude posted:

I don't want to be one of those assholes and bring up the Revenge, but... well, has anybody turned up a convincing wreck of the SSBN Revenge yet?

Actually wait, the nerds used one of the new sensor packages to map a bunch of new unknown shipwrecks at an archaeological site didn't they? Can we use that technology to look for subs and/or wrecks elsewhere on the planet?

Finding a moving, floating object seems like a slightly taller order than a stationary shipwreck on the bottom of the ocean. Might still be possible though, but we can't exactly recall one of the ships without arousing suspicion.

Also, if we're trying to find Gladio cells outside of Europe, my first instinct would be to look into the drug markets of Asia and the Americas.

Boksi
Jan 11, 2016
It being a Rip Van Winkle situation at least explains why they're still alive after all these years.

Boksi
Jan 11, 2016
We need to make a public announcement about this as soon as possible, to minimize media speculation. An emergency session is not something that goes unnoticed.

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Boksi
Jan 11, 2016
Awake: B
Asleep: A
Site: A
Discord: Abstain

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