Crazy that LBJ wanted to help Americans the most out of any president, but

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Milo and POTUS: Sep 3, 2017; I will not shut up about the Mighty Morphin Power Rangers. I talk about them all the time and work them into every conversation I have. I built a shrine in my room for the yellow one who died because sadly no one noticed because she died around 9/11. Wanna see it?

They were dropping bombs on footbridges because they ran out of targets

# ? Oct 19, 2020 01:45

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# ? Apr 25, 2024 10:04

joepinetree: Apr 5, 2012

This is the trailer for the documentary i mentioned:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_hSefnfips

# ? Oct 19, 2020 01:49

Remulak: Jun 8, 2001; I can't count to four.; Yams Fan

it�s true that LBJ never told the CIA �no�.
it�s also true that he lived through his presidency.

# ? Oct 24, 2020 12:58

Farmer Crack-Ass: Jan 2, 2001; this is me posting irl

joepinetree posted:

There is quite a substantial body of academic research that a huge chunk of social democratic welfare state type of programs were only implemented in Europe and the US out of a fear of communist revolution. That, for example, local communist support was a better predictor of social democratic reform than whether social democrats or conservatives were in power. Much can be discussed about living conditions within the soviet union, but the mere existence of the soviet union led to much of the welfare state. Which is to say that I think it is unlikely that you can separate red scare and social democracy, though not necessarily in the way most people think.

The way I heard it was something along the lines of, FDR didn't push the New Deal to institute socialism, he pushed it to prevent a revolution.

# ? Oct 24, 2020 18:24

vyelkin: Jan 2, 2011

Farmer Crack-rear end posted:

The way I heard it was something along the lines of, FDR didn't push the New Deal to institute socialism, he pushed it to prevent a revolution.

yeah basically, he did it to save capitalism by mitigating capitalism's inherent contradictions, not by getting rid of them

# ? Oct 24, 2020 18:26

joepinetree: Apr 5, 2012

Farmer Crack-rear end posted:

The way I heard it was something along the lines of, FDR didn't push the New Deal to institute socialism, he pushed it to prevent a revolution.

Yeah. But the research I am talking about is international in scope. The key defining aspect of the expansion of the welfare state was not the election of social democrats, but the threat of communist victory. In places like West Germany and France a lot of the welfare state expansions were done by center right christian democratic parties, and the real deciding factor there was if there was a "threat" of communism becoming popular.

# ? Oct 24, 2020 19:42

Maximo Roboto: Feb 4, 2012

joepinetree posted:

Yeah. But the research I am talking about is international in scope. The key defining aspect of the expansion of the welfare state was not the election of social democrats, but the threat of communist victory. In places like West Germany and France a lot of the welfare state expansions were done by center right christian democratic parties, and the real deciding factor there was if there was a "threat" of communism becoming popular.

Yeah, that's basically the pattern that Bismarck kicked off. Out-populisting the socialists with your own sweeping reforms. Or was it Napoleon?

# ? May 11, 2021 19:54

Vomik: Jul 29, 2003; This post is dedicated to the brave Mujahideen fighters of Afghanistan

joepinetree posted:

Yeah. But the research I am talking about is international in scope. The key defining aspect of the expansion of the welfare state was not the election of social democrats, but the threat of communist victory. In places like West Germany and France a lot of the welfare state expansions were done by center right christian democratic parties, and the real deciding factor there was if there was a "threat" of communism becoming popular.

that�s interesting do you remember any links or titles?

I also am not sure if there is a lot of research on it but it�s also interesting that the countries with the strongest safety net are also generally the most racially homogeneous which I�ve wondered if it�s by design or just a coincidence of where the prominent �welfare states� are (basically Scandinavia)

# ? May 12, 2021 17:53

Milo and POTUS: Sep 3, 2017; I will not shut up about the Mighty Morphin Power Rangers. I talk about them all the time and work them into every conversation I have. I built a shrine in my room for the yellow one who died because sadly no one noticed because she died around 9/11. Wanna see it?

The term welfare state seems loaded to hell for anyone else?

Anyway, I think of jumbo and laugh sometimes

# ? May 12, 2021 17:58

Vomik: Jul 29, 2003; This post is dedicated to the brave Mujahideen fighters of Afghanistan

Milo and POTUS posted:

The term welfare state seems loaded to hell for anyone else?

Anyway, I think of jumbo and laugh sometimes

yeah it is loaded it�s how Americans refer to them and Americans would gladly sacrifice 100,000 minorities rather than reduce the corporate tax rate 1%. do other countries use the term?

# ? May 12, 2021 18:04

Private Cumshoe: Feb 15, 2019; AAAAAAAGAGHAAHGGAH

hey hey LBJ

did u know that i am gay

# ? May 12, 2021 18:40

Fortaleza: Feb 21, 2008

Robert Caro release the book

# ? May 12, 2021 19:14

indigi: Jul 20, 2004; ^{how can we not talk about family

when family's all that we got?}

Milo and POTUS posted:

The term welfare state seems loaded to hell for anyone else?

I don't think it was "loaded" when it was introduced. probably not til around Reagan

e for context:

quote:

The German term sozialstaat ("social state") has been used since 1870 to describe state support programs devised by German sozialpolitiker ("social politicians") and implemented as part of Bismarck's conservative reforms.[6] In Germany, the term wohlfahrtsstaat, a direct translation of the English "welfare state", is used to describe Sweden's social insurance arrangements.[citation needed]

The literal English equivalent "social state" did not catch on in Anglophone countries.[7] However, during the Second World War, Anglican Archbishop William Temple, author of the book Christianity and the Social Order (1942), popularized the concept using the phrase "welfare state".[8] Bishop Temple's use of "welfare state" has been connected to Benjamin Disraeli's 1845 novel Sybil: or the Two Nations (in other words, the rich and the poor), where he writes "power has only one duty � to secure the social welfare of the PEOPLE".[9] At the time he wrote Sybil, Disraeli (later a prime minister) belonged to Young England, a conservative group of youthful Tories who disagreed with how the Whigs dealt with the conditions of the industrial poor. Members of Young England attempted to garner support among the privileged classes to assist the less fortunate and to recognize the dignity of labor that they imagined had characterized England during the Feudal Middle Ages.[10]

(and the book Christianity and the Social Order seems to be advocating socdem policies by way of Christian teachings)

indigi has issued a correction as of 19:25 on May 12, 2021

# ? May 12, 2021 19:20

Fleetwood: Mar 26, 2010; biggest hochul head in china

joepinetree posted:

This is the trailer for the documentary i mentioned:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_hSefnfips

what's the name of the doc? I can't watch the video bc it's set to private

# ? May 12, 2021 19:23

indigi: Jul 20, 2004; ^{how can we not talk about family

when family's all that we got?}

Vomik posted:

that�s interesting do you remember any links or titles?

I also am not sure if there is a lot of research on it but it�s also interesting that the countries with the strongest safety net are also generally the most racially homogeneous which I�ve wondered if it�s by design or just a coincidence of where the prominent �welfare states� are (basically Scandinavia)

interestingly, while looking up info on the origin of the term "welfare state" I came across this:

quote:

Historian of the 20th Century fascist movement, Robert Paxton, observes that the provisions of the welfare state were enacted in the 19th century by religious conservatives to counteract appeals from trade unions and socialism.[36]

Later, Paxton writes "All the modern twentieth-century European dictatorships of the right, both fascist and authoritarian, were welfare states� They all provided medical care, pensions, affordable housing, and mass transport as a matter of course, in order to maintain productivity, national unity, and social peace."[36] Adolf Hitler's National Socialist German Workers' Party expanded the welfare state to the point where over 17 million German citizens were receiving assistance under the auspices of the National Socialist People's Welfare by 1939.[37]

and a source for you

# ? May 12, 2021 19:32

etalian: Mar 20, 2006

Declan MacManus posted:

he had a massive hog, op

The LBJ big hog stories was really good, like the audio call of the time he ordered special custom pants in Texas to provide max hog comfort.

# ? May 12, 2021 20:09

Fleetwood: Mar 26, 2010; biggest hochul head in china

I wonder how many times in his life LBJ sat down and accidentally crushed his nuts

# ? May 12, 2021 20:16

vyelkin: Jan 2, 2011

Fleetwood posted:

I wonder how many times in his life LBJ sat down and accidentally crushed his nuts

literally every single time

# ? May 12, 2021 20:43

Laterite: Mar 14, 2007; It's Gutfest '89; Grimey Drawer

vyelkin posted:

literally every single time

he had his pants tailored to avoid it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4zNMo8kl7Ac

# ? May 12, 2021 20:48

Fortaleza: Feb 21, 2008

If Caro dies before publishing the last LBJ book I'm going to be so pissed.

# ? May 12, 2021 22:00

Milo and POTUS: Sep 3, 2017; I will not shut up about the Mighty Morphin Power Rangers. I talk about them all the time and work them into every conversation I have. I built a shrine in my room for the yellow one who died because sadly no one noticed because she died around 9/11. Wanna see it?

Fleetwood posted:

I wonder how many times in his life LBJ sat down and accidentally crushed his nuts

Considering every guy has that happen to them like all the time, probably a lot

# ? May 12, 2021 23:29

indigi: Jul 20, 2004; ^{how can we not talk about family

when family's all that we got?}

his dick was big. there�s no stories about him having big nuts. stop assuming.

# ? May 13, 2021 00:30

Milo and POTUS: Sep 3, 2017; I will not shut up about the Mighty Morphin Power Rangers. I talk about them all the time and work them into every conversation I have. I built a shrine in my room for the yellow one who died because sadly no one noticed because she died around 9/11. Wanna see it?

There actually were stories about his nuts being big

# ? May 13, 2021 00:49

Finicums Wake: Mar 13, 2017; Can't post for 8 years!

Maximo Roboto posted:

he got the country stuck in endless wars of imperialism and discredited trust in government forever

Imagine if the Great Society plans had all succeeded in their aims

I remember an essay called �Race and the American Presidency� by Prof. Kenneth O�Reilly that evaluated every single U.S. president�s treatment of African Americans- the only two he concluded who went out of their way to help black people at a personal cost were Lincoln and LBJ

What contrast, wow

imagine if he had passed this
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Freedom_Budget_for_All_Americans

# ? May 13, 2021 03:05

TenementFunster: Feb 20, 2003; The Cooler King

indigi posted:

his dick was big. there�s no stories about him having big nuts. stop assuming.

there is actual documentary evidence in the form of audio recordings where LBJ states his balls are too big to be constrained by normal pants.

in contrast, there are stories that he nicknamed his penis "Jumbo" and would pull it out for a laugh

# ? May 13, 2021 03:11

Dr. Killjoy: Oct 9, 2012

Before LBJ left office he loaded a plane full of White House furniture, artifacts, and cutlery to send down to his Texas estate and I think he even made Secret Service help out with the looting. Bitch rear end Trump would never.

joepinetree posted:

One of the most heart wrenching documentaries I've ever watched was about the order the US gave to kill every refugee that tried to come through their lines. Just Einsatzgruppen level of brutality. Parents drowning their children when they wouldn't stop crying because otherwise American troops would find them and kill them.

The infamous season finale of M*A*S*H included an instance of this as a plot point but rather out of a mother fearing the dastardly North Koreans.

# ? May 13, 2021 04:54

Maximo Roboto: Feb 4, 2012

Finicums Wake posted:

imagine if he had passed this
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Freedom_Budget_for_All_Americans

UBI and FJG and a living wage, Bernie and Yang do the fusion dance

# ? May 13, 2021 05:04

indigi: Jul 20, 2004; ^{how can we not talk about family

when family's all that we got?}

TenementFunster posted:

there is actual documentary evidence in the form of audio recordings where LBJ states his balls are too big to be constrained by normal pants.

it�s an op

# ? May 13, 2021 08:33

Maximo Roboto: Feb 4, 2012

https://twitter.com/aquaimperium8/status/1717179199021015512

# ? Oct 25, 2023 15:04

Maximo Roboto: Feb 4, 2012

https://twitter.com/aquaimperium8/status/1717161582227063028

# ? Oct 25, 2023 15:11

Maximo Roboto: Feb 4, 2012

https://twitter.com/aquaimperium8/status/1717179888342302741
https://twitter.com/aquaimperium8/status/1717180327930511547

# ? Oct 25, 2023 21:26

Milo and POTUS: Sep 3, 2017; I will not shut up about the Mighty Morphin Power Rangers. I talk about them all the time and work them into every conversation I have. I built a shrine in my room for the yellow one who died because sadly no one noticed because she died around 9/11. Wanna see it?

the penis was probably small by modern standards but huge for the 60s

# ? Oct 25, 2023 23:25

Animal-Mother: Feb 14, 2012; RABBIT RABBIT
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The Floating Head From Zardoz posted:

the penis was probably small by modern standards but huge for the 60s

# ? Oct 26, 2023 01:56

Al!: Apr 2, 2010; Can't post for 42 minutes!

johnson knew that getting mired in hopeless misadventures was the only way to eventually destroy the united states, because he was a player character. the public making GBS threads, pulling out his hog sure those are sensational stories, but only a few of his biographers mention the bunny hopping. there are stories that the secret service drove him to arlington at 2 am so he could teabag jfk's grave

# ? Oct 26, 2023 02:06

PawParole: Nov 16, 2019

Dr. Killjoy posted:

Before LBJ left office he loaded a plane full of White House furniture, artifacts, and cutlery to send down to his Texas estate and I think he even made Secret Service help out with the looting. Bitch rear end Trump would never.

The infamous season finale of M*A*S*H included an instance of this as a plot point but rather out of a mother fearing the dastardly North Koreans.

When Clinton left office he removed all the W�s from the keyboards and typewriters in the White House so Bush the Younger couldn�t write his name

https://abcnews.go.com/amp/Politics/story?id=121980&page=1

# ? Oct 26, 2023 02:19

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# ? Apr 25, 2024 10:04

Milo and POTUS: Sep 3, 2017; I will not shut up about the Mighty Morphin Power Rangers. I talk about them all the time and work them into every conversation I have. I built a shrine in my room for the yellow one who died because sadly no one noticed because she died around 9/11. Wanna see it?

PawParole posted:

When Clinton left office he removed all the W�s from the keyboards and typewriters in the White House so Bush the Younger couldn�t write his name

https://abcnews.go.com/amp/Politics/story?id=121980&page=1

Big covfefe energy

# ? Oct 26, 2023 03:43

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