Asema posted:

The thread was fine. The posters in that thread that wanted to talk about the serious stuff self-policed and it was fine.

Asema posted:

Like I don't post in the thread. I have no interest in a games centric approach so I stay out of it, but I saw that this thread had 50+ posts since the last time Stux got probated for something stupid and read up about it and it's the same posters, making the same arguments, over the same dumb bullshit.

Walla posted:

If you want a more tightly moderated forum, there are options. They come in the Far Right and Far Left variety, so you're either going to hang out with Nazis or places where you can't post anything in favor of Trump or landlords. There's nothing in between.

cheetah7071 posted:

Wouldn't recommend wanting to post something positive about Trump or landlords op

16-bit Butt-Head posted:

my head is very large which means i am very smart

The 7th Guest posted:

better not be any landlords in Games!!!

Boba Pearl posted:

The concept of a posting clique is due to how somethingawful's posting culture ebbs and flows. What normally happens is, there's an established norm where people behave or post a certain way. The people who don't like that don't engage until they see something egregious that really pisses them off. Someone posts that they dislike thing, and that starts a seed of people latching on and saying they also dislike this thing. Then people say this is a concentrated effort by outside attackers to shut down their fun space. The problem is, the people who don't like "Thing" are not going to be posting in that thread until there's something that really pisses them off, and then other pissed off people are going to join in.

On a personal note, vague posting about a posting clique that wants to shut down certain topics is less then helpful. If there's a dedicated effort by people who want to shut down legitimate conversation avenues, and these people should be pointed out with what they think shouldn't be a valid subject in games. I don't think anyone will do that though, because then they'd have to say "16-bitt buthead, and Stux keep poo poo posting that you shouldn't be allowed to post blizzard phrenology memes and discuss sexual assault in games."

Bust Rodd posted:

PC gaming certainly has a wide variety of upsides, but being kind of broke in college and looking forward to a new game for months and then discovering WHOOPS this game was built entirely on NVIDIA machines and your AMD card can’t even play this stupid game sucks on a level so proudly deep that I still feel the pain thinking about it a decade later…


RAGE

SirSamVimes posted:

The only blizzard game I have ever enjoyed esports of is HotS and lmao at that

Bust Rodd posted:

Love my slim + curvy gramma

Bust Rodd posted:

There was a contingent of people like myself who wanted DNF to be a deconstruction of the FPS genre told with tongue in cheek sensibilities.

What we got eventually was Bulletstorm

Lube Enthusiast posted:

I keep telling ya, reboot Duke Nukem as a lovable, himbo dingus

SCheeseman posted:

Just turn Duke into a Johnny Bravo-esque himbo.

Boba Pearl posted:

Like we're talking about the Blizzard de-rail, but if we really start digging into that thread, we've also got posts like this.











Defend these posts in that thread.

Asema posted:

Why would I? Why change the subject? What exactly does your post achieve here?

Asema posted:

Why would I? Why change the subject? What exactly does your post achieve here?

Boba Pearl posted:

Because the thread you don't read is fine, outside agents are attacking a safe space with good posters who don't mean no harm. You can't prove a negative, so the onus is on me to make a case that there are bad posts in the thread. If you want to continue to argue that the thread is fine, you're inherently accepting of these posts.

Though, in retrospect, half of these bad posts are by Bust Rodd.

I think I'm unintentionally arguing that Bust Rodd should be threadbanned.

Sorry Bust.

Asema posted:

Bust Rodd should probably be probated and the thread told "to shut up" and that really should be it. There's no reason to be in this thread imo

Mnoba posted:

that thread getting bad and having to be closed, and this thread getting bad both have the same exact thing in common. i'm going to follow this along until one of you scooby-doo it out.

mutata posted:

I don't really care what happens to the industry dysfunction thread, but overall I'm not sure how useful of a thread it is in general, or what people want to get out of it. I guess if it's just a industry drama RSS feed, that makes sense, but I stopped participating in it aside from the occasional joke post because it's frankly a honeypot for people who know little about the complexities of the industry, don't want to hear about those complexities, and who are angry about whatever company and want to dunk on them and feel good for doing so. It's often a source of eye roll-inducing quotes that get passed around among other industry devs I interact with outside of SA.

It's just kind of a cruddy thread, not to mention a huge bummer, and I'm not sure it's worth all this drama because I really don't see it ever changing.

mutata posted:

I'm extremely normal and basic. No one even remembers me. No one has me on their ignore list because they instantly forget my posts the second after they read them.


Edit:

I will not be missed!

Harrow posted:

It's pretty clear this is no longer about the Games Industry Dysfunction thread, especially because everyone is pointedly ignoring mutata's posts on the matter. I remember when they were driven out of the thread for trying to bring some sort of actual context to the discussion when people didn't want to hear it and it definitely solidified my opinion that a thread about the games industry that drives out actual workers in that industry has a problem.

Mode 7 posted:

ethanol posted:

Runa posted:

Boba and hell, even Stux are correct about the industry thread but anybody who sees Bust Rodd being Bust Rodd all over a thread and thinking, "drat you blizzwatch" probably needs to stop blaming boogeymen from CCCC. Note, neither Boba nor Stux have done this, by the by. The overlap between the people who actively post in the industry thread and the people who actively post in blizzwatch is like four people. Hell, I'm more likely to see Kith posting gifs in the OSHA thread, he hasn't posted in blizzlols for ages.

Meanwhile,

You, on the other hand, really need to learn to let things go. I get why Stux has beef and frankly it's warranted but you've been called out for posting like a psychopath by other WoW goons, in the WoW subforum, over your grudge. Just step back and enjoy playing videogames, maybe stop taking things so seriously.

16-bit Butt-Head posted:

it might just be me but if a thread needs a bunch of rules specific to it and a dedicated idiot king to keep it on topic then it might not be a good thread

kirbysuperstar posted:

I agree, the Switch thread should be killed

Mode 7 posted:

Talking about the games a company has produced in relation to lovely industry decisions they have made is fine. There will be times where discussion of a company's releases help to add further context to a discussion. As an example example, I think it's useful to discuss diversity in Overwatch and how those characters are represented in game in relation to that godawful phrenology checklist poo poo Activision Blizzard King unveiled recently.

The second that the conversation stops referencing the inciting incident though and just becomes about the game itself, it shouldn't be in that thread because it's no longer about dysfunction in the games industry, it's just about the game.

Boba Pearl posted:

Here is the exact moment where I think it went too far

Maybe this post, which is discussing Blizzard as a game devloper, and not any like, anything that is relevant to the news or what the thread is about at all.

Almost definitely this post, because why the gently caress do we care whether you like their games or not, or how well they made a game?

At this post it's 100% gone too far, nothing about the auction house matters at ALL to what the thread is about. Auction House chat brings out the worst nerds and it needs to be nipped in the bud immediately.

The 7th Guest posted:

an actual thread discussing abuse and working conditions in the industry would be useful, rather than a thread of people who don't actually care about those things as much as dunking on a company they don't like. there are people that do care in there, but seeing that the thread ONCE AGAIN got pointlessly derailed by blizzard posters into blizzard game discussion doesn't leave me hopeful for its future

mutata posted:

I don't really care what happens to the industry dysfunction thread, but overall I'm not sure how useful of a thread it is in general, or what people want to get out of it. I guess if it's just a industry drama RSS feed, that makes sense, but I stopped participating in it aside from the occasional joke post because it's frankly a honeypot for people who know little about the complexities of the industry, don't want to hear about those complexities, and who are angry about whatever company and want to dunk on them and feel good for doing so. It's often a source of eye roll-inducing quotes that get passed around among other industry devs I interact with outside of SA.

It's just kind of a cruddy thread, not to mention a huge bummer, and I'm not sure it's worth all this drama because I really don't see it ever changing.

Harrow posted:

It's pretty clear this is no longer about the Games Industry Dysfunction thread, especially because everyone is pointedly ignoring mutata's posts on the matter. I remember when they were driven out of the thread for trying to bring some sort of actual context to the discussion when people didn't want to hear it and it definitely solidified my opinion that a thread about the games industry that drives out actual workers in that industry has a problem. I couldn't solve that problem and eventually stopped being a mod, and now it seems like a) it's still a problem, and b) at this point it's just a proxy battle about some other forums grudges.

Lazy Robot posted:

I just wanted to post in the Games Industry thread about how my games industry job successfully voted to unionize today, but I guess some incomprehensible forums drama is cool, too.

Boba Pearl posted:

And yes, you are somehow invisible, it's kind of impressive.

Metis of the Hallways posted:

I fully understand the people saying it's worthless and that discussion about this stuff happens in other threads just fine, but there were enough people saying it's a valuable concept for a thread that I want to give it at least one try. I want to especially emphasise input from people actually in the industry, and really avoid baseless speculation or fanciful conclusions.