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Karloff
Mar 21, 2013



Saw VI is good. The only truly bad ones are VII and Jigsaw imo. Even V's got its moments.

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Nuebot
Feb 18, 2013

The developer of Brigador is a secret chud, don't give him money


His head always looks like it's upside down.

CelticPredator
Oct 11, 2013



https://i.imgur.com/0CZyshJ.mp4

Sephyr
Aug 28, 2012


Clip-On Fedora posted:

Did any of you ever watch The Sensitive Male episode of Johnny Bravo from back in the day?

Joss Whedon always kind of gave me the same vibe as that guy in the episode. Someone who preaches sensitivity, tolerance, feminism, etc., but only because he thinks it will get him laid.

Honestly, it sounds like his kind of "feminism" has been an open secret since the 90's.

It's not like his breakout work was about how strong and cool women are...when they are repeatedly chewed up by the world, broken and hollowed out until they are a shadow of their former selves, sobbing in the rain.

Yardbomb
Jul 11, 2011

What's with the eh... bretonnian dance, sir?



Man I miss Johnny Bravo, he was a meathead horndog but they did it without making him feel creepy or horrible as much as I remember, Johnny was on the himbo game ahead of the game.

Groovelord Neato
Dec 6, 2014




Karloff posted:

Saw VI is good. The only truly bad ones are VII and Jigsaw imo. Even V's got its moments.

Jigsaw trying to bring the series back but doing all the dumb bullshit the series had been mocked for (Jigsaw had ANOTHER even earlier apprentice) was certainly a choice.

Nuebot
Feb 18, 2013

The developer of Brigador is a secret chud, don't give him money

Yardbomb posted:

Man I miss Johnny Bravo, he was a meathead horndog but they did it without making him feel creepy or horrible as much as I remember, Johnny was on the himbo game ahead of the game.

It helped that he was always proven to be in the wrong and thoroughly rejected. You were not supposed to think what he did and said was good or correct, except that he loved his mom. The occasional episode where he learned a lesson in the end and came away better for it (not that it ever stuck because it was an episodic cartoon of course) were usually some of the best they had as opposed to the ones where just got thrown into a trash can because he belonged there.

Nuebot fucked around with this message at 15:10 on Apr 8, 2021

Katt
Nov 14, 2017



The episode where Johnny Bravo dates a werwolf and young me was like "what's the problem? She seems cool"




Johnny tried to make the most of it.

Katt fucked around with this message at 15:18 on Apr 8, 2021

Sarcopenia
May 14, 2014


This conversation made my brain go "did Johnny Bravo date a deer or am I losing my mind?". It was an antelope and apparently the episode was written by Seth Mcfarland.

Dapper_Swindler
Feb 14, 2012

Shitposting 24/7 without regrets. my parents would be proud.



Terrible Opinions posted:

Yes and the only reason anyone cared was if they already liked his media. People in positions of power get away with being serial abusers period, and any personal beliefs broadcast by their pr team has no real impact on that. I'm specifically objecting to this bit
As if these guys got away with poo poo because of feminist virtue signalling rather than the fact that they made more powerful people a lot of money, and made media that people liked.

idk friend. i agree its not fully that, but i think there was a time before 2016 that people were open at using that as an excuse as long as they were openly loud allies, to an extent its understandable, Gamegate shitshow was still on going and you never knew if stuff was true or just bullshit made up by those assholes.

but on your point about power, farci is lovely movie critic who screamed about how woke and poo poo he was, it was his whole thing. burch was sad weird hack who became a weird reply person on twitter to look as progressive as possible, and was also a point of mockery because of his failed personal life and people only sorta abandoned him when he basicaly talked a ton of poo poo about zoe quinn to some rear end in a top hat who leaked it and then he reanacted an flaggelete on twitter to "provae" how sorry he was. if anyone can be burned by meetoo accusation, it was that sad piece poo poo. instead that got ignored and burch only got burned because he was "quietly" removed from riot games which is sexpest heaven.



yeah. this. this is what i was remembering.

achillesforever6
Apr 23, 2012

psst you wanna do a communism?


A lot of what Joss Whedon did reminds me a lot of what last year what happened in wrestling with David Starr who is also a giant monster who was able to skate by because he would say the right words about being a leftist and wanting to push for unionization. (Though it should be stressed lovely people like that can absolutely have politics you agree with)

In lighter stuff Binging with Babish is so nervous doing this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ihS8__strtM

Sir Lemming
Jan 27, 2009

It's a piece of JUNK!

Sarcopenia posted:

This conversation made my brain go "did Johnny Bravo date a deer or am I losing my mind?". It was an antelope and apparently the episode was written by Seth Mcfarland.

He wrote a whole bunch on the show, pre Family Guy.

The "Adam West" "character" on FG is basically written exactly the same as in his JB episode, no coincidence.

Around that time Seth also had some one-off short on Cartoon Network that was basically the FG prototype with a taking dog that sounded exactly like Brian.

Andrew Verse
Mar 30, 2011

As you all know,
a robot's memory is admissible as evidence.


Yardbomb posted:

SAW was cool when it was more like a thriller and less gore porn, so like, the first movie.

Nah, SAW was good all the way through because it became an utterly ridiculous soap opera.

I mean, they suck as horror movies, but they're thoroughly entertaining.

Terrible Opinions
Oct 17, 2013





Dapper_Swindler posted:

idk friend. i agree its not fully that, but i think there was a time before 2016 that people were open at using that as an excuse as long as they were openly loud allies, to an extent its understandable, Gamegate shitshow was still on going and you never knew if stuff was true or just bullshit made up by those assholes.

but on your point about power, farci is lovely movie critic who screamed about how woke and poo poo he was, it was his whole thing. burch was sad weird hack who became a weird reply person on twitter to look as progressive as possible, and was also a point of mockery because of his failed personal life and people only sorta abandoned him when he basicaly talked a ton of poo poo about zoe quinn to some rear end in a top hat who leaked it and then he reanacted an flaggelete on twitter to "provae" how sorry he was. if anyone can be burned by meetoo accusation, it was that sad piece poo poo. instead that got ignored and burch only got burned because he was "quietly" removed from riot games which is sexpest heaven.
Please tell me how this is any different from the times this exact same thing has happened to other differently political dudes in entertainment? No one defended Burch, everyone thought he was a creeper. But the companies don't care and there are no legal consequence because there never are. It feels like you're just pretending there is something different about the very standard abusers getting away with poo poo because they annoyed you on twitter.

Farci in particular had his sexual assault stuff constantly shouted down not because of how "oh we must defend the feminist man" but because of standard misogynist poo poo about his accuser being "crazy". And even to this day people go "oh he was a sex pest" not "he directly sexually assaulted women", even though the latter is the truth.

For the power thing it's power from their employers who are universally very stupid wrt what actually makes money. The companies these guys worked for thought they made them money, because they happened to be in the room when money was made. Burch wrote for Borderlands and he's the name I recognize thus he must be why Borderlands made so much money the businessmen logic goes.

Dapper_Swindler
Feb 14, 2012

Shitposting 24/7 without regrets. my parents would be proud.



Terrible Opinions posted:

Please tell me how this is any different from the times this exact same thing has happened to other differently political dudes in entertainment? No one defended Burch, everyone thought he was a creeper. But the companies don't care and there are no legal consequence because there never are. It feels like you're just pretending there is something different about the very standard abusers getting away with poo poo because they annoyed you on twitter.

Farci in particular had his sexual assault stuff constantly shouted down not because of how "oh we must defend the feminist man" but because of standard misogynist poo poo about his accuser being "crazy". And even to this day people go "oh he was a sex pest" not "he directly sexually assaulted women", even though the latter is the truth.

For the power thing it's power from their employers who are universally very stupid wrt what actually makes money. The companies these guys worked for thought they made them money, because they happened to be in the room when money was made. Burch wrote for Borderlands and he's the name I recognize thus he must be why Borderlands made so much money the businessmen logic goes.

very true. also gearbox is owned by a cokehead who brought flash drives full of porn to work so its probably not a great working enviroment in general.

Terrible Opinions
Oct 17, 2013





Like really the big one to me is that we still have Polanski defenders, even from people using their real name with real careers. Which is kinda proof to me that if you make media people like there is no limit to what they'll try to cover for you.

Impermanent
Apr 1, 2010








Terrible Opinions posted:

Please tell me how this is any different from the times this exact same thing has happened to other differently political dudes in entertainment?

it's not that the performative dude feminism is only what keeps those guys from facing consequences, its that the performative dude feminism helps is a tactic which helps enable those guys doing abuse, by making people suspect them less. its just a "trust me im a good person" schtick. what about this doesn't make sense.

Dapper_Swindler
Feb 14, 2012

Shitposting 24/7 without regrets. my parents would be proud.



Terrible Opinions posted:

Like really the big one to me is that we still have Polanski defenders, even from people using their real name with real careers. Which is kinda proof to me that if you make media people like there is no limit to what they'll try to cover for you.

yeah. i loving hate polanski and his defenders. then the dude will poo poo out some movie thats undercurrent message is "actually i am always the victim" apparently he made one about dreyfus and made the whole movie kinda about himself.

Impermanent posted:

it's not that the performative dude feminism is only what keeps those guys from facing consequences, its that the performative dude feminism helps is a tactic which helps enable those guys doing abuse, by making people suspect them less. its just a "trust me im a good person" schtick. what about this doesn't make sense.

this is what i meant. it gives them cover and "well maybe they DIDNT do it" cover at times when poo poo finally comes out. its the progressive equvilant of those religious conservatives assholes.

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bobjr
Oct 16, 2012

Roose is loose.



I think it was a clip of the View that went around where some of them defended Polanski and the crowd went wild, which solidified that daytime talk show audiences would cheer at anything if the host loudly supported it.

Sarcopenia
May 14, 2014


Sir Lemming posted:

He wrote a whole bunch on the show, pre Family Guy.

The "Adam West" "character" on FG is basically written exactly the same as in his JB episode, no coincidence.

Around that time Seth also had some one-off short on Cartoon Network that was basically the FG prototype with a taking dog that sounded exactly like Brian.
Huh. I knew about the What a cartoon! short, but I did not know that he did so much work on JB. Apparently he co-wrote the show's season 2 bible.

The Chad Jihad
Feb 24, 2007




I find a lot of Polanski defenders think he did statutory rape and then the judge 'screwed him over', not realizing that statutory was the plea deal. Which is still not great!

Dawgstar
Jul 15, 2017





e X posted:

Are there any good/ funny analyses out there for that?

None off the top of my head. Mostly the best takedowns were on Twitter.

Yardbomb
Jul 11, 2011

What's with the eh... bretonnian dance, sir?



"BUT SHE FORGAVE HIM!"

Cool, but gonna go out on a limb here and say that rapists still deserve no forgiveness from any wider sources. You can steal or rob because you're hungry or in abject poverty. You can kill for understandable, if not acceptable causes. Most crimes can have a lot of grey to them, rape ain't ever one, there's no silver lining to it ever, there's no spurring moment of actual need, it's pure victimization for power/gratification.

Bar Crow
Oct 10, 2012


Terrible Opinions posted:

Like really the big one to me is that we still have Polanski defenders, even from people using their real name with real careers. Which is kinda proof to me that if you make media people like there is no limit to what they'll try to cover for you.

There are a lot of professions where the only actual qualification is to tolerate, ignore, and excuse terrible acts.

Terrible Opinions
Oct 17, 2013





Impermanent posted:

it's not that the performative dude feminism is only what keeps those guys from facing consequences, its that the performative dude feminism helps is a tactic which helps enable those guys doing abuse, by making people suspect them less. its just a "trust me im a good person" schtick. what about this doesn't make sense.
I fully believe it is used to obtain victims in the first place. I just don't think it matters for people covering for them or who are convinced that they didn't abuse people. Everyone would covered for Whedon or still defends Dan from Game Grumps would have done so even if those people professed different politics, because it's all theater. They are defending them or giving them a pass because they like their media, it helps their job, or whatever and any reasons given in the defense arguments are ex post facto justifications for wanting you to shut up about someone who makes stuff they like.

MiddleOne
Feb 17, 2011



Clip-On Fedora posted:

Did any of you ever watch The Sensitive Male episode of Johnny Bravo from back in the day?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AIPpJNGYAOY

Man for having watched so much of this show as a 3-year old I remember absolutely nothing about it but that silhouette.

Schwarzwald
Jul 27, 2004

Don't Blink


Sir Lemming posted:

He wrote a whole bunch on the show, pre Family Guy.

The "Adam West" "character" on FG is basically written exactly the same as in his JB episode, no coincidence.

Around that time Seth also had some one-off short on Cartoon Network that was basically the FG prototype with a taking dog that sounded exactly like Brian.

The one off was "Larry and Steve" from What a Cartoon!, which was a series composed entirely of potential pilot episodes. Most of the late 90s/early 00s Cartoon Network shows came from that, including Johnny Bravo.

DrVenkman
Dec 27, 2005

I think he can hear you, Ray.


Yardbomb posted:

"BUT SHE FORGAVE HIM!"

Cool, but gonna go out on a limb here and say that rapists still deserve no forgiveness from any wider sources. You can steal or rob because you're hungry or in abject poverty. You can kill for understandable, if not acceptable causes. Most crimes can have a lot of grey to them, rape ain't ever one, there's no silver lining to it ever, there's no spurring moment of actual need, it's pure victimization for power/gratification.

She also forgave him, I think, because Samantha Geimer was known for decades as being the girl the famous man raped. It made sense for her to eventually draw a line under it and try and move on.

POLANSKI: WANTED AND DESIRED has a lot to answer for. Since it gave people the idea that the real story isn't that Polanski raped someone, it's that Polanski was the victim of an overzealous judge.

Sarcopenia
May 14, 2014


DrVenkman posted:

She also forgave him, I think, because Samantha Geimer was known for decades as being the girl the famous man raped. It made sense for her to eventually draw a line under it and try and move on.

POLANSKI: WANTED AND DESIRED has a lot to answer for. Since it gave people the idea that the real story isn't that Polanski raped someone, it's that Polanski was the victim of an overzealous judge.
Yeah, she made that statement because everytime Polanski does anything she has to relive it all over again. If he had any decency (HAH!) He would never make another movie or enter into the public sphere in anyway ever again. I dont think that sexual abuse survivors should be made to grit their teeth and bare it while this man continues to get praise and opportunities. The onus should squarely be put on him and the people who enable him.

Dapper_Swindler
Feb 14, 2012

Shitposting 24/7 without regrets. my parents would be proud.



The Chad Jihad posted:

I find a lot of Polanski defenders think he did statutory rape and then the judge 'screwed him over', not realizing that statutory was the plea deal. Which is still not great!

He then went on to assault a bunch of women in France too.

Sarcopenia
May 14, 2014


Apropos, don't support anything Luc Beson has ever touched.

Dawgstar
Jul 15, 2017





I'm glad I saw Love and Death way before I found out about Woody Allen.

Kaiser Mazoku
Mar 24, 2011

Didn't you see it!? Couldn't you see my "spirit"!?

Andrew Verse posted:

Nah, SAW was good all the way through because it became an utterly ridiculous soap opera.

I mean, they suck as horror movies, but they're thoroughly entertaining.

SAW knew it was cheesy as hell and ran with it. Jigsaw himself becomes this utterly ridiculous god figure who somehow knows everything and can manipulate everyone even after his death and it's great.

Groovelord Neato
Dec 6, 2014




https://twitter.com/jigsaw_quotes/status/1380219782679568385?s=20

Dapper_Swindler
Feb 14, 2012

Shitposting 24/7 without regrets. my parents would be proud.



Dawgstar posted:

I'm glad I saw Love and Death way before I found out about Woody Allen.

did anyone see the documentry on him on hbo? i saw the MJ one and that was nightmarish. gently caress MJ, gross loving monster.

Arcsquad12
Mar 4, 2013

I Love Satan


Is Extra Credits still bad?

Yes, yes they are. This made me laugh, though.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymUEPKTEQaQ


At least way back when Jeff did the helium voice it just sounded like a normal guy on helium while this newer guy (I don't know how new I stopped watching years ago and this was in my recommendeds) sounds like a broken word SpongeBob meme.

Edit: swapped out videos for the actual EC video and not some touchy YouTube short I didn't vet properly.

Arcsquad12 fucked around with this message at 00:58 on Apr 9, 2021

Dapper_Swindler
Feb 14, 2012

Shitposting 24/7 without regrets. my parents would be proud.



Arcsquad12 posted:

Is Extra Credits still bad?

Yes, yes they are. This made me laugh, though.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hz2WSZuJ9NA

At least way back when Jeff did the helium voice it just sounded like a normal guy on helium while this newer guy (I don't know how new I stopped watching years ago and this was in my recommendeds) sounds like a broken word SpongeBob meme.

i think there history stuff can be ok/good at times. least as a good intro to stuff. the rest is coin toss and then they have dumb poo poo like this. like yeah "warrior race" and "planet of hats" stuff is dumb and leads to problamatic poo poo. but lol 40k is all bad. like some indivduals are "good" but all the systems are loving super bad. but the universe is changing so we might see "better" faction rise soon. that being said. orks arnt really "evil" they are just Goku but without a moral compass and also smarter.

Jordan7hm
Feb 17, 2011

MENS REA? LOL MORE LIKE CHRIS REA AM I RITE





Lipstick Apathy

Arcsquad12 posted:

Is Extra Credits still bad?

Yes, yes they are. This made me laugh, though.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hz2WSZuJ9NA

At least way back when Jeff did the helium voice it just sounded like a normal guy on helium while this newer guy (I don't know how new I stopped watching years ago and this was in my recommendeds) sounds like a broken word SpongeBob meme.

why are you linking a video that's complaining about "SJWs"

Arcsquad12
Mar 4, 2013

I Love Satan


Jordan7hm posted:

why are you linking a video that's complaining about "SJWs"

Is it? poo poo. Those youtube short videos really don't give a lot of context do they? I'll swap it out.

Youtube on mobile without an ad blocker is loving cursed and keeps recommending me lovely reactionaries and Ben Shapiro

Arcsquad12 fucked around with this message at 01:00 on Apr 9, 2021

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Dapper_Swindler
Feb 14, 2012

Shitposting 24/7 without regrets. my parents would be proud.



Arcsquad12 posted:

Is it? poo poo. Those youtube short videos really don't give a lot of context do they? I'll swap it out.

Youtube on mobile without an ad blocker is loving cursed and keeps recommending me lovely reactionaries and Ben Shapiro

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymUEPKTEQaQ

here is the full thing. i get what they are trying to say and its not a bad message, but it also is kinda eye rolly.

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