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Sarcopenia posted:Hazel has a new video out. This one is on Digimon Tamers. Tamers holds up extremely well, it’s way better than it has any business being.
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May 13, 2021 04:47
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JordanKai posted:People will really say "media doesn't affect reality" as if Antonin Scalia didn't openly base his jurisprudence on 24 and other television series. I don't think media affects reality. Instead, it reflects the cultural reality of the times it was created in, and the values of its creators. 24 didn't make Antonin Scalia into a fascist conservative rear end in a top hat, because he already was one. He used 24 as a reference because the values of the show reflected his own values, so he thought it was a useful point of reference.
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May 13, 2021 05:36
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He'd always be a fascist but 24 is what gave it the specific form of torture black sites thinking it would provide useful information. That quote is not an isolated thing, Republicans really believed 24 was how real life War on Terror stuff worked. We also have a whole generation of Democrat consultant class people who think the West Wing is how real government works.
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May 13, 2021 05:48
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Terrible Opinions posted:He'd always be a fascist but 24 is what gave it the specific form of torture black sites thinking it would provide useful information. That quote is not an isolated thing, Republicans really believed 24 was how real life War on Terror stuff worked. We had already been torturing people and signing off on even worse acts for years. We used torturers because meatheads that beat on people are way cheaper than professional interrogators. (Professional Interrogators are their own special flavor of evil, but I don't really want to get into that) What Republicans, what most Americans believed was that the enemies of America should be forced to feel the fear and humiliation that was inflicted on them during 9-11. They wanted blood and punishment. 24, which would have probably been considered a quirky novelty if it had been released in the 90's (A show whose entire season takes place in an entire day, what a crazy concept!), but since it was released shortly after 9-11, the idea of a man like Jack Bauer doing whatever it took to keep Americans safe greatly appealed to the America's wounded subconsious, so it became a very popular show. So popular, it was referenced by members of the Bush Administration. It was the same thing with the West Wing. The Third Way Democratic Establishment loved being flattered. so they promoted the show. Americans wanted to believe that the Clinton Administration wasn't a mistake, so they bought into it too. Anyway, I think Kyle Kalgreen had a video essay he released a few years ago that better explains this phenomenon than my ramblings.
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May 13, 2021 06:25
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media affects reality because it reflects the cultural reality in which it was made. scalia may have chosen 24 because it reflected his values in the broad strokes or even some of the finer ones, but as he did not create 24 it is not his own reflection he's staring at - it's someone else's, and in that vision there are different values, different ideas, presented which are adjacent to the ones he already holds. media is a mirror that does not reflect you, it reflects and multiplies those on the other side of it and seeks to replace your face with its own. media is a trojan horse disguised as your taste filled with ideas from somewhere else ready to tumble out come nightfall.
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May 13, 2021 06:29
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And who is responsible for that Trojan horse? Is it some hack from Los Angeles, or is it The State? I worry that many people nowadays think it's the hack from Los Angeles. Clip-On Fedora fucked around with this message at 06:55 on May 13, 2021 |
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May 13, 2021 06:44
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_P52G4Kyq5M
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May 13, 2021 07:37
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Clip-On Fedora posted:And who is responsible for that Trojan horse? Is it some hack from Los Angeles, or is it The State?
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May 13, 2021 08:18
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The first comment I found is Hbomb's, from when he was just a poster.
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May 13, 2021 08:36
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The funny thing about 24 though is that Jack, outside of the first season, has a largely miserable existence. Like, he thinks about killing himself multiple times. And it's not as though the show romanticised it like some good cop on the edge media, it was explicitly that this job has made him a husk of a man and everyone else is either dead, a traitor or had the clarity to complete distance themselves from Jack and the job. Granted, the show doesn't really *explore* that too much, but it's there.
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May 13, 2021 10:12
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Some seasons still do lean a little too much on the 'we have to torture him now or we wont get the information we need' angle. Plus Jack Bauer almost being literally cursed to have everyone around him die just so he can stay motivated to keep going.
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May 13, 2021 11:01
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DeafNote posted:Some seasons still do lean a little too much on the 'we have to torture him now or we wont get the information we need' angle. Well yeah of course. After a certain point it just becomes a device. Ticking clock, someone has information, Jack needs it or people die, what can Jack do to get it. Ah I know, threaten or torture them. It's been a *long* time since I've seen it but while it can be flippant about it's use, it tried to justify it within the narrative. But also, it's an inherently pulpy show, it was never prestige TV. Playing fast and loose with that sort of thing is part of the deal. 24 isn't pro or against torture because I don't think it has a real stance on it, or anything for that matter. For a show that was supposed to be hoo-rah America, I don't even know that it likes America all that much.
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May 13, 2021 11:26
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The what-influences-what question is always going to be a bit of a chicken and egg situation. Culture and media do influence each other to a certain extent, but it’s a complicated relationship and the nuance tends to get lost once people start blaming a trend in one category on something going on in the other. That’s how you get ridiculous scapegoating like parents blaming their kids’ bad behavior on rock music, or rap, or violent video games or whatever they’re going after these days. Personally I think culture influences media far more than the other way round. Popular media like 24 and other big-budget tv shows and movies are funded and produced by people who study cultural trends and make an effort to appeal to what people already like; reflecting culture is a huge part of their business model. On the other hand, only a tiny fraction of media produced ever becomes well-known enough to enter the public consciousness, and even less of that sticks around for more than a few years.
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May 13, 2021 12:20
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Ghostlight posted:are you suggesting that the series twenty-four starring kiefer sutherland was state propaganda? Gasp! Oh my god! I think that the series twenty-four starring kieffer sutherland might have been state propaganda! It makes so much sense!
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May 13, 2021 13:22
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Swell Entertainment looks at how the Omegaverse is all over Tik Tok: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3sthxFNBc2w She says the stories have dubious consent and I would almost bet somebody in her comments pushes up their anime glasses and says 'um HACKTUALLY it's called 'dubcon.'
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May 13, 2021 13:30
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The 7th Guest posted:i watched this last night and the biggest problem for me is that it is a monorail that covers a tiny stretch of park and has a 130 minute wait time. they should have gone full people mover and had it be just a regular monorail with a bunch of cars going around the full park, gone simpler on the screen to save money (or maybe even just have a non-interactive screen on it). and still have a couple of little enclosed areas for fun, but then it's not like "this is meant to be the highlight of the experience" and instead "this is a people mover with a couple of neat moments" One of the big problems looks like they either couldn't decided or straight up couldn't commit to the ride fully being either a people mover or dark ride. If it was a people mover then the ride have needed to go around a larger area, yeah, and if it was a dark ride it would need to be more fully enclosed so it could be in the, you know, dark. A people mover lets people admire the park and you can pipe in some audio or have some visual elements but as all those video clips show, anything involving screens or lights or trying to have thematic elements is completely annihilated by being outside, in the bright sun, and with all the park activity around you reminding you that you're not in the ocean. A dark ride is darkened and enclosed for a very obvious reason: you need to be able to control every aspect of the environment to make it immersive.
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May 13, 2021 14:03
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All this 24 talk and no Jon Bois? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_P52G4Kyq5M
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May 13, 2021 14:11
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May 13, 2021 14:14
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Never a bad time to post Jon Bois.
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May 13, 2021 14:18
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He is Pretty Good after all.
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May 13, 2021 14:38
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SkeletonHero posted:All this 24 talk and no Jon Bois? no no, scroll up stupid!
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May 13, 2021 14:55
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Dawgstar posted:Swell Entertainment looks at how the Omegaverse is all over Tik Tok: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3sthxFNBc2w Dubcon '96 is where I met Skankin' Pickle.
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May 13, 2021 16:20
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Augus posted:no no, scroll up stupid! To be fair, in this thread clicking youtube links dropped without explanation can lead to months of recommendation poisoning for the Ben Shapiroverse, so wouldn't have assumed it was for Pretty Good except the text matched the link I was about to post the link myself.
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May 13, 2021 16:49
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stillvisions posted:To be fair, in this thread clicking youtube links dropped without explanation can lead to months of recommendation poisoning for the Ben Shapiroverse, so wouldn't have assumed it was for Pretty Good except the text matched the link I was about to post the link myself. It doesn't just show up as an embedded video for you?
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May 13, 2021 17:46
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You can choose to turn that off. (Also wouldn't be surprised if mobile options do something similar by default.)
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May 13, 2021 17:53
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I grabbed some chrome extension that shows the video title when you hover over a youtube link specifically because of this thread.
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May 13, 2021 18:12
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do people have something against embedded videos or what
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May 13, 2021 18:23
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Augus posted:do people have something against embedded videos or what For me its about the element of surprise.
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May 13, 2021 18:54
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Augus posted:do people have something against embedded videos or what I didnt even know you could turn on embed videos. It was turned off by default for me.
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May 13, 2021 19:09
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I have embeds turned off since I browse at work. All I can say is I'm sorry to have disappointed all my fans and I promise to do better moving forward.
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May 13, 2021 19:48
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the jon bois talk made me want to rewatch the ufc documentary he did with felix biederman, fighting in the age of loneliness and it’s still really loving good. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DoaUyMGPWI also if you’re into this i’d highly recommend adam mckay’s podcast death at the wing
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May 13, 2021 19:51
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I'm still mad the poker Pretty Good is still MIA from the internet.
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May 13, 2021 20:21
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Yvonmukluk posted:I'm still mad the poker Pretty Good is still MIA from the internet. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDt90EyZnWA There's a few mirrors still, it Episode 4 that appears to be genuinely lost.
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May 13, 2021 20:22
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Schwarzwald posted:It doesn't just show up as an embedded video for you? ...weird, I had no idea that was an option. I've never set it, and I've never browsed SA on mobile, must have been a default at some point in time I guess? watho posted:the jon bois talk made me want to rewatch the ufc documentary he did with felix biederman, fighting in the age of loneliness and it’s still really loving good. I'm always partial to his Lonnie Smith story: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wTM_eN8AZeQ His audio levels are a bit shaky but drat if this isn't a masterclass in how to tell a story, even if you don't care about baseball.
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May 13, 2021 20:28
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yeah pretty good is ingenious storytelling. it just sucks that the audio balance is worse than todd in the shadows
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May 13, 2021 20:32
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I wish there were more Pretty Goods, but then I wish there was more Jon Bois in general. The man's a genius. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M4AhABManTw This one will always be my favourite, that ending's genuinely emotional. Kim Justice fucked around with this message at 20:45 on May 13, 2021 |
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May 13, 2021 20:35
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Those episodes are pretty old by now, the stuff he occasionally does for Secret Base (formerly SB Nation) are better. Also the best Pretty Good is clearly a tie between Larry Walters and Randall Cunningham.
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May 13, 2021 20:40
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Jon Bois is good at what he does that he got to me watch, and be interested in, a nearly four hour retrospective on the history of the Seattle Mariners. I don't mind sparser Bois appearances when we do get is just straight up gold even if it doesn't seem like it. Also the real best Pretty Good is the bodybuilding forum's days in a week thread.
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May 13, 2021 20:56
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The Seattle Mariners series is absolutely amazing.
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May 13, 2021 21:08
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the bodybuilding.com one is terrific but it loses points for me because it’s such a widely discussed topic
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May 13, 2021 21:25
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