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A Typical Goon
Feb 25, 2011

Vincent Van Goatse posted:

They're born with it. Free will isn't a thing you develop at a certain point in your life, it either exists or it doesn't.

It’s this. Except it’s the ‘it doesn’t exist’ part. Free will is an illusion. Your mind makes your choices, your Ego just rationalizes them later

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A Typical Goon
Feb 25, 2011

Finicums Wake posted:

surely, if one has it, it increases in capacity and power over the developmental lifecycle. like if an infant has free will, then an adult also has free will but can exercise it to a greater extent

How do you figure? If free will is the ability to exercise choice then an infant would have just as much free will as an adult. The ability to understand the consequences of choice or differentiation between choices is irrelevant to the fundamental question of whether the action is a deliberate choice

A Typical Goon fucked around with this message at 22:27 on Oct 23, 2020

A Typical Goon
Feb 25, 2011

Zeroisanumber posted:

We don't. Everything is determined by electrochemical impulses in the 10-pound slab of bacon we call a mind. How do you form the intent to form intent?

This is one of my problems with free will. If you have to choose to decide, then before you can make a choice you have to decide to make that choice. But to decide to decide to make a choice is also a choice. This just leads you to an infinite feedback loop where nothing would ever get chosen because first you have to choose to decide on a choice.

Obviously this isn’t how human cognition works, we just automatically pick an option

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