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Obstagoon was my MVP. It learns a hell of a lot of coverage moves and as you just saw has the stats to tank even a 4x super effective hit as well as hitting back pretty hard. Plus it's a giant punk rock dire badger. What's not to love? The shiny is hilarious as well.
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Dec 7, 2020 05:56
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I'm quite pleased to see Piers actually put on a decent showing here, because so far every time I've fought him I've been disappointed to find him a pushover (and the fact he telegraphs what he's going to do in the dialogue doesn't really help him, although I like it as characterisation). A lot of that comes down to individual team composition though. Still, I wish they'd let his Malamar have Superpower, it'd learn that in two levels naturally and it'd let Contrary actually do something (okay, I'm biased, Contrary is one of my favourite abilities, it just seems a shame that Piers specifically calls out that he's using it but doesn't actually have a way to take advantage).
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Dec 7, 2020 16:45
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Piers is a wonderful character and, if we're not counting Elite Four, or the previous generation's Kahunas, Piers is the first Dark-Type Gym Leader in the entire series. That in itself is huge, and then to give him an extra gimmick of being the only Major League Gym leader who doesn't Dynamax, but can still compete on even footing with the other Gym Leaders despite that? Piers is really good.
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Explopyro posted:I'm quite pleased to see Piers actually put on a decent showing here, because so far every time I've fought him I've been disappointed to find him a pushover (and the fact he telegraphs what he's going to do in the dialogue doesn't really help him, although I like it as characterisation). A lot of that comes down to individual team composition though. For all that it isn't great design, I kind of feel like that's intentional and thematic? As legitimately good as he is, he's gotten so exhausted of being a Gym Leader that he's turned his fights into spectacles divorced from his actual personality, and - all together now - The Gym Challenge Is About Having Fun, so he sucks. Well, except for this single time I fought him. Quackles posted:Honestly, I don't think I could actually play SwSh after this. This has been too fun. That's a huge compliment, but I do recommend this game to anyone who owns a Switch and is willing to put up its flaws. It's legitimately fun! You just have to fulfill an arbitrary number of criteria to customize it to your playstyle first  That said, I just found myself a Gyarados and its leering at me from my screen as we speak. Name ideas?
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Lindworm The game's fun, but it definitely feels like a step down from SuMo which feels like the most genuinely lived-in region.
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I like Piers, he's got a great design. It's a little strange that there's such a focus on him being a vocalist in a game without voice acting, though? I'm fine with them not doing voice acting, but it's weird for them to draw attention to it the way they do. I wonder if that was deliberate, or cut for time? (If you haven't seen it for yourself, watch the first ~30 seconds of this video.) Falconier111 posted:That said, I just found myself a Gyarados and its leering at me from my screen as we speak. Name ideas?
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Blaziken386 posted:I like Piers, he's got a great design. It's a little strange that there's such a focus on him being a vocalist in a game without voice acting, though? I'm fine with them not doing voice acting, but it's weird for them to draw attention to it the way they do. I wonder if that was deliberate, or cut for time? You know, I debated making note of that in the update, but I felt it would kill the pacing and the mood. Judging by the lyrics we hear later, that might have been a good thing
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Dec 8, 2020 17:04
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Falconier111 posted:
The terror of the seas shall have a name that strikes fear into the eyes of many, such as SkulKraken
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Dec 8, 2020 18:13
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Falconier111 posted:You know, I debated making note of that in the update, but I felt it would kill the pacing and the mood. Judging by the lyrics we hear later, that might have been a good thing What makes it especially weird is that Roxie pulled the same rock-star gimmick about 7 years earlier. And her Gym Theme? Has an audible singer in it.
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Dec 8, 2020 22:11
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Even if they didn't want to spring the money for voice acting, they could have gotten a lot of mileage out of either the right MIDI font or even just text blips.
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Dec 8, 2020 22:36
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Update 35: That Right? Marnie's Theme - Pokémon Sword and Shield OST  My little sis Marnie’s gonna challenge me next, I bet. So you were watchin’, bach… You won’t learn anythin’ from seein’ me lose. I was watching YOUR battle. It’s how I learned to battle an’ all that. That right? That reminds me. Marnie, there’s somethin’ I wanted to tell you. I want you to take over the Gym here in Spikemuth as its Gym Leader. I… Oh for – you too? All right, why do you want me to take over? I think you’d be more comfortable here. You think – you – why is everyone tryin’ to make my decisions for me? Is there somethin’ in the water? Or do you all still think I need people holdin’ my hand everywhere? Piers, why you think all I wanna do is take over the Gym? Now I never said THAT… Did you just ASSUME I wanted to? Did you ever even bother to ASK? Well, do you? Do I – eh? All else being equal – if the Champion wasn’t on the table, if you could the Champion and Gym Leader at the same time without any problems, whatever, would you want to run the Dark Gym? I… Oh bollocks, I started talking when I shouldn’t have – … Yeah. Yes, I would wanna take over the Gym. You lot drive me up the wall sometimes, I swear, but I love it here and I’d love to do it. But that’s off the table now. I’ve got somethin’ much bigger in mind. Are you really gonna tell me I can’t do it? No. But I’m still not sure you’re ready yet. Oh, not sure, he is. What do I have to do to – Gloria! Wha –  I think I see stars…  Audience:   Well? I think you’ve proved your point, sis. Now, let your big bro see if you have the skill to be a Champion! Hey, Gloria, thanks for havin’ an amazin’ Pokémon battle with my brother. It’s my turn next! So clear off for a bit, ‘K? Okay…We walk back out and get a TM from the guy at the desk before the screen shakes.  Rando:… Things out! Oh, hey! You gave Piers a thrashing, didn’t you? You should head over there to help. Come on, then! I’ll show you the way. That was 15 minutes ago at most. How do you know that? I guess rumor obeys its own special laws… Wait, Gloria! Oh. Hello again. I – I wanna apologize. I broke the promise I had us make not an hour after we made it. Plus, I just grabbed you, and I know I don’t like it when people do that to me, so – Look. As an autistic person, I know how infuriating that kind of well-meaning condescension can get. I don’t blame you for getting ahead of yourself like that. Same deal on as before?  Though I have to say… C’mere. ? I kinda liked it.  Bye  .Champion Leon's Theme - Pokémon Sword and Shield OST The moment we step out the (now open) entrance, we find Leon standing in the middle of the road.    Whatever is making that noise, I’ll see to it! I already told you, didn’t I? Keep your eye on the goal! And for you, that’s winning the Gym Challenge! Look, I know people expect me to be curious, but I’m not barmy enough to go investigating these things. If I feel an earthquake, I’m not going straight to the epicenter! You have fun, mate. Words of wisdom, those are. There I go again! Sorry, there’s a bit of trouble here with my name on it. But you don’t worry about a thing!Route 6 - Pokémon Sword and Shield OST Following his advice, I head over to Circhester and spend a little time clothes shopping, because why not? Also because it’s been a couple towns since last time.  There we go. Then, I take the opportunity to go catch our party’s newest member.  I’m a sucker for the classics. Magikarp were introduced all the way back in Gen 1 as a living example of the benefits of evolution. From what I remember (and I bet the thread can check me on this), Magikarp wasn’t actually that awful from a stats perspective, but the game went out of its way to insult and denigrate the poor thing. The Old Rod, your first fishing rod, was rigged up to only catch magikarp as an incentive to find better rods; the Pokémon’s signature move was (and is) Splash, a move that does nothing. Rumors would circulate that it manipulated catch rates or dodge rates; nope. Jack squat, your magikarp just flopped around for a turn. Even in later generations they went out of their way to make magikarp look as bad as possible; every generation of Pokémon includes magikarp, and nearly every time their Pokédex entry goes out of its way to insult them: Pokémon Red posted:In the distant past, it was somewhat stronger than the horribly weak descendants that exist today. Pokemon Silver posted:For no reason, it jumps and splashes about, making it easy for predators like Pidgeotto to catch it mid-jump. Pokémon X posted:It is virtually worthless in terms of both power and speed. It is the most weak and pathetic Pokémon in the world. Pokémon Black and White posted:A Magikarp living for many years can leap a mountain using Splash. The move remains useless, though. Pokemon Ruby posted:Magikarp is a pathetic excuse for a Pokémon that is only capable of flopping and splashing. This behavior prompted scientists to undertake research into it. It’s so terrible it’s the subject of scientific research  .Incidentally, there’s also a long-running debate among fans of the franchise on whether people eat Pokémon; while they are highly intelligent and emotionally human enough to make the idea uncomfortable, but, well, Pokémon are animals, and humans have a habit of eating those (there’s also some debate on whether Pokémon eat other Pokémon, but given just how many Pokédex entries mention preferred diets (see above), that’s a lot easier to settle). Last I checked, the consensus was it’s considered acceptable to eat SOME Pokémon at least, and according to episode 16 of the anime…  … Magikarp is one of them. On the other hand, its evolved form is Gyarados, a flying sea serpent and consistently one of the most terrifying Pokémon you can get your hands on (outside of the double weakness to Electric you get from Water/Flying). It’s a brutal physical attacker with enough health to survive some major hits, and it access to some of the best moves in the game. It also has a place in history as (technically) the first Shiny Pokémon. Gen 1 didn’t have Shinies at all, so in order to introduce players to the concept, Gen 2 had a Shiny Gyrados show up as part of the plot a few hours in for you to catch. I caught it, of course, because it was a free Gyrados with a rare color scheme. Why wouldn’t I catch it? I did not, however, realize it represented something deeper, and I didn’t find out about Shinies in general until years later. I just thought it was unique  .I’ve only ever seen one other wild Shiny in person, a Tauros in Silver. I was in a hurry when I found it, so I just ran away. I don’t regret it.    Yes, of course I kept Splash after evolving him. Why wouldn’t I? Anyway, after tooling around the map for a while, I realize that, instead of letting us take the rational route, the game wants us to actually head towards the danger zone like gormless shmucks. So I do that. Unfortunately.  WHY am I doing this, why am I DOING this, why am I doing THIS…On the other side… Hop's Theme - Pokémon Sword and Shield OST Hop! Gloria!  That noise – it was like some massive explosion! There was this huge surge of red light, and then wild Pokémon just started Dynamaxing around me, brazen as you like! Bloody hell, really? Mate, are you all right? Oh, yeah, I’m just fine. Nothing even touched me, I just threw out Bonham and he took down a pair of Perrserkers right by the tunnel entrance. I kept a bunch of people safe, too. You know what that means, Gloria? I’m a hero  . Two out of how many? Well, okay, there were like a dozen total and Leon took most of them. But he didn’t make it to the tunnel in time! I manned the – actually, hold on a mo’. I take it you’re on your way to Hammerlocke? Aye. Then let’s brag to each other on the way. Can do. Wait, do you have the Dark Badge yet? Eh. I mean, it’s right there on the other side of the tunnel, it’s not going anywhere. And it isn’t a long walk back, either, so I have plenty of time to regale you with my achievements! Your… Two achievements, I believe. Hey, how many rampaging Pokémon have YOU stopped? You mean, in the last half hour, or…... Falconier111 fucked around with this message at 00:43 on Dec 14, 2020 |
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No, Magikarp's stats are mostly garbage. Really good speed, okay physical defence, horrific everything else. It has an attack stat of TEN. And when your only damaging move is Tackle - if you live long enough to level up to fifteen to learn it - that just doesn't cut it. This generation broke with tradition by letting Magikarp learn Bounce and Hydro Pump by TM/TR, but it can't do anything with them. I believe the anime clarifies at some point that while they are edible, they're really bony and not worth the effort.
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Dec 9, 2020 09:51
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Magikarp's TR learnset is purely due to a change in learnsets in general this Gen. If a Pokémon has, in the past, had access to a move in any possible way, however obscure, and said move still exists and is a TM or TR, that Pokémon has had it added to its learnset. In the case of Magikarp, several event distributions as well as HG/SS's PokéWalker had Bounce Magikarp available; more obscurely, a single event distribution in Japan only during BW era gave a Hydro Pump Magikarp, so badda bing, badda boom.
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Dec 9, 2020 11:27
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Magikarp has always been my favourite Pokemon purely for the whole swimming-up-the-waterfall snippet of folklore.
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Dec 9, 2020 13:54
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Given real life carp are extremely boney - that tracks. It's one of the reasons why the Silver Carp is such a goddamn problem in the Mississippi and Missouri Rivers, not only do those fuckers (which can get to over 20lbs in weight) fly out of the god drat water when disturbed, cracking the ribs, jaws and skulls of anyone unfortunate enough to be smack by them, and they're not even good for eating so it's hard to incentivize your average fisher to fish them out.
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Update 36: Do You Have Any Idea Just How High A Hurdle That Is?… I know the stereotype’s all thugs and hooligans, but even the rudest people there were mostly just defensive. Hell, I have a standing invitation to watch Hitmonchan Adventures with a couple of the Gym Trainers now. Gloria, it’s kind of astonishing just how good you’ve gotten at talking to strangers this summer. Thanks, mate. But it doesn’t hurt that I’m… I dunno, I’m in a position of power? We are some of the last remaining Challengers, it’s a nice stroke to the ego. But nobody really seemed to care in Spikemuth. I’m already getting a bit fed up of the hero worship, but they save it all for Piers there… … … Yeah, coming to investigate was probably not a brilliant decision, but we had it under control. I’m still a bit blown over by that. You had a bunch of giant Pokémon breaking things, how are you so calm about it? Eh. I mean, it’s not like they’d been soaking up energy in a Den for who knows how long or had a Trainer ordering them about. They were big, confused, and not even trying to hurt anybody, they just bumbled around until I knocked them out. Still, I can’t imagine the kind of damage they could do in a city. They were certainly big enough to smash up buildings. Well, at least we can count on Sonia and Rose to try and deal with that…… … Oh, I finished my personal statement back at Circhester, actually. I mean, it basically consisted of me saying “I care so much about Pokémon biology that I made it most of the way through the Challenge”, so  . Anyway, I went over to Sonia’s house a little bit later and she helped me get through the Clearing process, so I’m just waiting to hear back. I’m genuinely proud of you, Hop. I… Thanks. You did just unleash a monster, though. Oh? Now that I know that embarrasses you, I’m going to break it out as often as possible . The concept of diminishing returns would like to have a word with you, mate. Sure, sure, but while it lasts – oh, hi Sonia!Sonia's Theme - Pokémon Sword and Shield OST   And Hop, too! Heard back from anyone yet? Nah. It’s too early yet, I think. But that’s beside the point – I want to know what happened back there and you lot are the most likely ones to know the answer.  Oh. Oh, you don’t know. Well, guess what, you two? This doesn’t bode well. I’m off the case  ! I made the mistake of reporting my little fainting spell to Mr. Rose’s and he cut my loving funding on the spot. Now he just wants me to disappear, I guess. So now I’m just waiting here until Gran swings by to pick me up! Sonia, dear, I’m afraid you’re taking this all too personally. Gran!Professor Magnolia's Laboratory - Pokémon Sword and Shield OST  Did the chairman tell you why, exactly, he let you go? He DID mention me falling unconscious, so… Now that I say it, that sounds kind of flimsy. I simply requested he transfer you into my care. He never said anything of the sort! He’s slipping. Something about the energy situation has been eating up more and more of his attention. He just can’t make good use of you right now. I, however, have much to study, and we have much to discuss; come along, Sonia. Wait – what about the Dynamaxing Pokémon? I can speak to that, actually. The chairman would like to extend both of you a job offer.  He believes this is all a flash in the pan, but in case it isn’t, he can use the services of a couple finalists’ help keeping things under control. It’ll be part-time, of course, but very well-paid. This is Macro Cosmos, after all. I… Wow. I can safely say I wasn’t expecting that. Trust me, we know you’re both capable and we could use your help. But it might just blow over. We just don’t know . But, well… ...Get to work!…----- Gym Lobby - Pokémon Sword and Shield OST Time for our very last gym.  Oh really  And an encounter with the Ball Guy. We already grabbed their ball the first time we moved through town, so they doesn’t have anything new or useful to say. Tragic.  One last bit of Gym trivia for the road. You see those little statues on pedestals? Those have marked Gym entrances since the beginning. What are they, Rhydons? Who knows! They are PokéStatues, and that’s all that counts. Final Gym Mix - Pokémon Sword and Shield OST  I’ve alluded to this before, but there was a definite hierarchy of Types in Gen 1. Bug sat firmly at the bottom and was the only unambiguously bad Type (though it was possible to grind your Scyther or whatever until it kept up). From there, it gets a lot fuzzier; I’d say Normal was probably next, since its moves were generally unimpressive with a few glaring exceptions like Hyper Beam, but you can make arguments for or against most of them. In practice, Psychic was probably the single best for a variety of reasons, so much so they changed the entire Type calculus in the next generation in part to bring it under control. But I gather Dragon was ACTUALLY supposed to dominate. On the one hand, Dragon was weak to itself and to Ice without any other advantages, giving it few Typing opportunities. On the other, Dragon Pokémon and Dragon moves were some of the strongest in the game, and since Dragon and Ice moves were rather rare, many Dragon-types could just out-stat anything they went up against. The final member of the Elite Four, Lance, focused on the type, much to the dismay of some players (though I always got pasted by his Ghost-type predecessor, Agatha). Oh man is the thread going to school me on this.   Raihan’s Gym has nothing to do with his preferred Type. Instead, it’s a series of fights with his three apprentices where its true gimmicks become apparent: double battles and weather effects. All of their teams have at least one Pokémon that breaks out a weather effect tailored to their two Pokémon. Unfortunately, they each have only two Pokémon, and so I just overpower them without trouble. And that’s the entire thing. Three Trainer battles  .   … Though I’ve got to admit I didn’t think it’d be you! But I guess I should’ve expected no less from a Pokémon Trainer that Leon saw promise in. And you aim to defeat Leon… Do you have any idea just how high a hurdle that is? As his greatest rival, I guess that I –Raihain – will have to show you! Gym Leader Raihan doesn’t simply control the weather. He also seeks two-on-two battles! You must be prepared for any situation against a foe like him!       The sandstorm does just a bit of damage every turn and boosts Ground-types, which Raihan has in spades. Briggs brings down that Flygon in one hit, but the Gigalith is far, far tougher. The latter also takes the opportunity to set up a trap:  Stealth Rock damages any Pokémon on a team that switch out while it’s active. But there’s no end to its nonsense. After tanking a bunch of super-effective hits like a champ…  … It manages to reduce Lindworm to one hit point, but since he managed to survive –  MOTHERFUCKER. Alexander’s up next, and he takes out the Sandaconda only after it Paralyzes and hits Briggs with an unexpected Fire-type move. At this point, my party looks like this:  Sometimes during Gym Battles, as the camera zooms around while you plan your moves, it will come to rest on random crowd members. It’s a relatively rare shot and it takes a while for it to show up, so I haven’t gone out of my way to grab a screenshot, but here you go. It’s kind of adorable  .         We now have to go face-to-face with a skyscraper. Between the two of them, they knock out both Briggs and Alexander.  This is the first time I remember seeing this option. But yeah, it’s Mr. Blobby and Bruce. Naturally, Stealth Rock badly injures both of them before they even get involved. But I have a secret weapon. So secret, in fact, I didn’t realize it would come into play when I set it up, since I taught Mr. Blobby Thunderbolt mostly for irony value.     … I… I THOUGHT it was a secret weapon. Steel’s metal, so it must conduct electricity right? WRONG. It’s strong against electricity and I just made a terrible mistake  . At least Bruce broke the rock with a Low Kick. Next turn I try out a Ghost Dynamax move to see if that does anything, then have Bruce Low Kick that monster. See that? Bruce just tried to use Low Kick. I missed the screenshot by a split second – I think the Switch screenshot button has a delay – but the game stops to tell me that Bruce just took a look at that thing and literally shook his head  .  Fortunately, after wrecking Bruce, its Dynamax finally wears off and it goes back to normal (but not before KOing Baklava). The ever-reliable Mr. Blobby, for all his inability to deal much damage to it in one hit, just outlasts the Duraludon and brings home the win.  Hey thread, what does the meta have to say about Drifblim? In both my playthroughs, they’ve been consistent MVPs. It’s pretty bonkers.   Yep, that’s Raihan. I kind of like how he’s such an Instagram model AND a legitimately intimidating Trainer. Also how genuinely enthusiastic his Rotom seems about the whole thing. But doesn’t it make sense that a good Trainer and their Pokémon are so in sync?  … I feel as pure and refreshed as when the sky clears after a storm. What can I possibly say? Calling myself Leon’s rival? Seems I’d grown quite conceited for someone who can’t even claim the title of Champion! Overconfidence in both myself and my team! I’ll give you what you want, then. The proof of your victory – the Dragon Badge! And our badge is complete. You’ve collected all of the Gym Badges from the Galar region! Now make your way through the Semifinals and Finals for your chance to challenge Leon! You must! You owe us that much at least, for beating us in battle here today! Gym Trainer: I look forward to seeing how you all do in battle! Hey! Gloria! Challenger Gloria, Number 815! You’ve completed the Gym Challenge! Good on you, kid. Now, prove your strength to the whole region at the Champion Cup! Raihan! I’m here to see just how good you are! There you are, Leon’s little brother! Don’t worry – I’ll give you a battle that’ll make you want to quit the Gym Challenge altogether! I’ve tried out lots of different strategies, and I’ve made up my mind about how I want to battle. I’m not gonna lose! I’m gonna beat you, and Gloria, and even Lee! I’ll be seeing you, Gloria! Let’s have another epic battle someday!Well that was a production. I waltzed in loaded for bear with Ice moves thinking that’d cinch victory for me. Ha ha, no. It’s at this point that it really becomes clear that I have no idea what I’m doing in this game. Granted, I am gradually learning, and at least in my first run I was so overleveled it didn’t really matter what I did so I had no opportunity to learn, but those are excuses, not explanations. I got my rear end kicked so hard it dropped the r from the word. Things I could have done better:
The funniest thing about this fight? It doesn’t feel like a surprise. In my first run, Melony was a surprise. In this run, Piers was a surprise. But I was expecting Leon’s chief rival to put up a much bigger fight, and that he did. At least Mr. Blobby remains completely terrifying. If it wasn’t for him, I would’ve lost that battle. But I won. Hooray !
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Dec 10, 2020 21:21
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The other primary thing Dragon has going for it is a bevy of useful resistances; it resists Fire, Water, Grass, and Electric, which are all common types. That being said, your instinct to use Electric against Duraludon isn't entirely misplaced - Steel resists more than half of all types and Electric is one of the seven that does neutral damage or better to it (in its case, neutral; the others are Ghost, Dark, Water, Fighting, Ground, and Fire, the latter three of which are its actual weaknesses). I skipped Generation 6 where it was introduced, so we both probably didn't think of Dragon's newer third weakness: Fairy. As for pondering the mysteries, what is Raihan's excuse for having so few Dragon-type Pokemon? Sinnoh had a "Fire-type specialist" on its Elite Four but the entire region only had like two Fire-type Pokemon in it (its obligatory new Fire-type starter line and Kantonian Ponyta/Rapidash) but Galar has enough easier-to-obtain dragons that it really shouldn't have been a problem filling it out.
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You made it! Fun fact: Before Fairy came along, Gen 5's Hydreigon (Dark/Dragon) had only Fighting, Bug, Ice, and Dragon weaknesses, and it hit like a truck. Of course, Ghetsis had an underleveled one...
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Dec 10, 2020 21:39
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Honestly, I think Leon has more dragons on his team than Raihan... yeah, it's weird. I don't know why they didn't just make his theme explicitly weather, since that's what it is in practice, but I guess they didn't want to depart from the rhetoric of "gym leader has a type"? On types in gen 1 - Dragon was probably intended to be purposefully overpowered, but I don't think it really lived up to that until later generations: gen 1 had no damaging Dragon-type moves except Dragon Rage (which ignores the type chart and just does a constant 40), and the Ice weakness was crippling (and so many things could learn Ice Beam or Blizzard, and gen 1 had 90-accuracy Blizzard on top of that). And yes, Psychic was ludicrous, but interestingly if you look at the competitve metas Normal is probably the most dominant type with things like Tauros and Snorlax (I think perhaps because of the overpowered Psychics pushing Fighting types out, and then Normal had the bugged Hyper Beam, and Normal types got very good type coverage on top of that). I don't really think Normal was ever supposed to be amazing, but in practice the mechanics make it work out that way a lot of the time.
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Dec 10, 2020 21:45
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Psychic was so ridiculous in Gen I - despite what the Anime had depicted, at the time Ghost-type moves had no effect on Psychic-type, Gen II removed that (as it was probably a bug) and introduced Dark-Type which had a weakness to fighting and Bug, and you can see the start of GameFreak trying to balance types.
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Dec 10, 2020 22:30
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Leon's gym may be just as  as Opal's and Piers', but he gets points in my book for being the first gym since gen 3 to feature double battles. AKA, the most fun type of battle to play.Anyways, if you're having this much trouble with Raihan, I can't wait to see the champion match.  Explopyro posted:I don't really think Normal was ever supposed to be amazing, but in practice the mechanics make it work out that way a lot of the time. That being said, I almost never use normal types because a large majority of them look extremely boring, and that's a cardinal sin in a land full of cool poo poo
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AweStriker posted:As for pondering the mysteries, what is Raihan's excuse for having so few Dragon-type Pokemon? Sinnoh had a "Fire-type specialist" on its Elite Four but the entire region only had like two Fire-type Pokemon in it (its obligatory new Fire-type starter line and Kantonian Ponyta/Rapidash) but Galar has enough easier-to-obtain dragons that it really shouldn't have been a problem filling it out. It seems really Raihan's theme isn't Dragon, it's Weather, and his whole team is built to take advantage of Sandstorm. He'd probably have been better off as a ground-type specialist from the start! This whole section between Pierre and Raihan is the most glaring sign of cut content. There's nothing at all there. There's a plot beat about fighting off rampaging dynamaxes, but it's resolved off-screen; you're probably supposed to have some encounter with Rose here based on how the characters interact with him later. There isn't a new route to traverse on your way from Spikemuth to Hammerlocke. On top of that, Raihan doesn't have a gym challenge - he takes you to a different, already-modelled room and just throws a couple of trainers at you. This would make a lot more sense if there was supposed to be more of a dungeon around here. Fight through the rampaging pokemon, possibly face off in a boss battle against Rose or someone. It would balance out not having a route to get through. But I guess they didn't have the time to put more work into Hammerlocke.
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Robindaybird posted:Psychic was so ridiculous in Gen I - despite what the Anime had depicted, at the time Ghost-type moves had no effect on Psychic-type, Gen II removed that (as it was probably a bug) and introduced Dark-Type which had a weakness to fighting and Bug, and you can see the start of GameFreak trying to balance types. Pokémon Gen 1, everybody!
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I mean, even if it worked right Ghost was physical (Haunter has 50 Attack, Gengar has 65 Attack) and the only Ghost-type move that actually did damage was Lick. Which had, effectively, 30 power with STAB. It wouldn't have helped at all.
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AweStriker posted:That being said, your instinct to use Electric against Duraludon isn't entirely misplaced - Steel resists more than half of all types and Electric is one of the seven that does neutral damage or better to it (in its case, neutral; the others are Ghost, Dark, Water, Fighting, Ground, and Fire, the latter three of which are its actual weaknesses). Don’t give me too much credit, here. I honestly though Electric was strong against Steel because metal conducts electricity  AradoBalanga posted:It was indeed a bug. As a result, the Ghastly line was treated by the in-game code as their secondary Poison typing (which Psychic is super effective against), making the whole line useless against the one thing they were meant to counter. Of course, there was still the Bug type to deal damage against Psychic, but the only 'mon who learned a Bug move and didn't have a secondary Poison typing to gently caress it over was...Jolteon with Pin Missile. Those games belong in a museum, because its almost impossible to use them without breaking them Blaziken386 posted:Leon's gym may be just as Experience candies  In all seriousness, I haven’t really leveled up my team since Circhester. What I’m probably going to do is bump everyone up to 53 or so, pick out my team, and actually plan out my battles before going in to show the difference between my completely intentional sloppy play and a more measured approach. See if things go better.
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Your Ice type use wasn't foolish, as Sandaconda and Flygon are weak to it, Flygon extremely so, and Abomasnow even has the Grass typing to help punk Gigalith.
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Update 37: The Train’s Waiting Professor Magnolia's Laboratory - Pokémon Sword and Shield OST  You gave Raihan a good thrashing, and that means you’ve completed the Gym Challenge! Congratulations, from the bottom of my heart! I really wish we could go celebrate, but I think there’re some things we should talk over. I’ve been talking things over with Gran. She’s… Gloria, Sonia’s told me all about the theory the two of you have put together… Gudelic, the Brother Kings, Alfred, the Darkest Day, and all that. How confident are you that all this truly happened?… Ultimately, we don’t have any proof of this. It’s all just a bunch of assumptions that we cobbled together into a framework, and those assumptions are based on a pair of Pokémon determining the course of Galarian history over millennia. It’s a bit silly, when you think about it. But… I think there are too many coincidences and odd parallels to ignore. It’s at least worth looking into. That lines up with my thoughts on the matter – hardly conclusive proof, but a springboard for further research. Now, what do you want to do with what you’ve discovered? Get it to the chairman. And then what? I don’t know. That isn’t my job? That’s a terrible attitude for a researcher to have, in the sciences OR the humanities. As I mentioned to Sonia, your work lacks a thesis. This all isn’t hard science; it need not be falsifiable. But your theories need to have a clearly articulated point, or your work will never gain any traction.  But if you, oh, for example, say that the appearance of Zacian and Zamazenta figures always accompanies major shifts in Galarian society and political structure? That is a thesis – a rough one, certainly, and one that would need elaboration and tightening for publishing, but a thesis nonetheless. Even though it’s rough and lacking in support, you two came up with something no one else could have even thought of. I’m proud of you both.  But there is one very important thing missing from your theory so far: what exactly causes the Darkest Day?… I didn’t think about that. How did I not think about that  ? Sonia had much the same reaction. I don’t have an answer for you yet. But the idea that Galar particles have not only been accessible in Galar for a long time, but are influenced by some kind of cyclical pattern? It opens entire avenues of research for me, ones more promising than anything I’ve done in the last decade. But that means I have much to do and too little time to do it. Now that I’ve seen you have the potential to do truly original research… Sonia, my dearest… My lab coat is yours now. Pish posh, you’re the Galarian Pokémon Professor now, you can make your assistants do it for you. What was that old friend of yours from university – Elizabeth? See if she’s still available. You have the budget now. Are… Are you sure it’s okay to just give me the title? I’m… I’m not as good a researcher or a biologist as you are. All I’ve done is help you out… The Interregional Pokémon Professor Society only asks that its members be authorities in the world of Pokémon, it’s more than just scientists. I’ve already ran your credentials by them, they’ve already been approved, and I’m tired of your dillydallying. Just put the thing on so we can have a look at you!    I’ll still be within reach, dear. But it’s yours now. Okay, Gran.… Time to make my first decision. I’m going to need to head back to the lab and go through Gran’s notes – YOUR notes, now.… My notes, to get a better grip on the situation. I don’t want to go off half-cocked, after all. Gloria! You and Hop could be the one to take down Leon, and I don’t want to miss that! Not to worry – you can count on me to take care of everything! You just focus on getting to Wyndon. Go on! Head to the station, or you’ll miss your train!… Don’t trains go to Wyndon every hour? Come on, get into the spirit of it! As we head along to the train station, we pass crowds of cheering fans. It’s always good to know you’re appreciated .Railway Station - Pokémon Sword and Shield OST  I had Raihan beat in no time. Once I got my head on straight and stop doubting every decision, I made, that is…   You’re pretty different from the Champion in that! But your strength is genuine, as proven by the Dragon Badge you one for me. You came at me with all the force of a raging storm, and even I was blown away! Listen up, you two! Battle your way through the Champion Cup tournament to face Leon! One of you ought to! I think I’ve finally hit my stride as a Trainer. I barely even care if I win or lose more – it’s the thrill of the fight that keeps me going. But that doesn’t mean I want to lose! So, I’ll bring out every last thing I learned during my battle with you, Raihan, to beat her! So, get a move on, Gloria! The train’s waiting!  …      …  Shut up, Hop! Oh, I don’t think I will anytime soon. You really still thought Steel was weak to Electric!  Ooh, oh, did you know that Normal is weak to Fighting? Or – here’s an important one – Water is weak to Grass? Piss off!  … … I still can’t believe you’re actually talking to him. He’s not the same person you fought at Stow-in-Side, Gloria. And I still can’t believe you’re DEFENDING him. You said it yourself, mate, he was already a changed man when Opal carried him off. Now… Well, he’s still a bit of a pillock, but he’s at least trying to be better. Like, genuinely, he’s really started to shake off Rose’s influence. He started offering me advice recently. Good advice, too, and then he trys to play it off like he doesn’t care. It’s hilarious. You SURE he’s not interested in you? Nah. He’s not nearly deceptive enough to pull it off. Plus, he’s mentioned someone he fancies in the Gym, but he says he’s not stable enough for a relationship with her yet so he'll hold off. And in and of itself, that says something.……? Lose your train of thought? Aye, something just occurred to me: between you, me, Marnie, and him, the prettiest boy is the only one who’s straight. Ha! Daft, innit?… Route 10 - Pokémon Sword and Shield OST  Bet there’ll be Ice-type Pokémon crawling out of the woodwork in a place like this! Come on, Gloria! Hey, did you know that Ice is weak to Fire?  v  Welcome to Route 10, where this Mr. Mime walks up to me and just stops a few feet away, staring. I honest-to-God thought it was some kind of event instead of a random encounter, so I walked up to it to interact with it.  I caught it, of course. And then I promptly flew to the Wild Area. Up until this point I’ve been pretty deliberately avoiding leveling my Pokémon to preserve any sense of challenge and not researching major Trainers before I fight them  Route 10 is completely disconnected from the rest of the map; the only way you can get there is by riding the train up. You can’t even fly up there. It’s a trainer gauntlet disguised as a Route that leads up a mountain pass; I counted the better part of a dozen Trainers there, the bulk of whom you have the fight to proceed. And they pull no punches. Most of the fights aren’t terribly interesting – there’s a reason I haven’t written them up – but their ‘mons are tough enough to wear your team down through sheer brute force. I actually had to stop and make camp a couple times set heal my Pokémon up.  You also run into what I believe is the same camera crew you encountered just out of Turffield at the top of a slope. But once you give them the interview of their lives… Route 10 (Approaching Wyndon) - Pokémon Sword and Shield OST    … You finally see your destination.
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Route 10 is definitely a little tame as far as Final Dungeons go. They've really cut back on the whole 'Victory Road' idea since...I want to say Gen 5 was the last set of games to really have one. I do miss some of the difficulty and puzzle elements that were found in those final stretches.
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Hunter Noventa posted:Route 10 is definitely a little tame as far as Final Dungeons go. They've really cut back on the whole 'Victory Road' idea since...I want to say Gen 5 was the last set of games to really have one. I can’t believe I missed my chance to talk about Victory Roads
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Hey, read through the whole thread in a couple days, great stuff. I'm replaying Shield again thanks to it (Going for a mono-Bug team, maybe with a minor in Poison or Dark). A few notes: -You are objectively wrong about Blipbug and Bewear.  Dottler is a solid Psychic wall (Maybe not for competitive, but certainly enough for Babby's First Pocket Monsters), while Orbeetle adds functionality and looks incredibly kickass (Even without its Gigantamax). And Bewear (Raised from a Stufful*) was one of my MVPs, punching above its weight and still literally flattening anything that wasn't packing an immunity or dual resistance to Fighting. All while looking totes adorbs UwU. Honestly I can see where you're coming from with the "wrong kind of furry" connotations, but at least it's not the vore types that come out of the woodwork with Mawile.  -At some point in the foreseeable future, wholesome same-sex relationships will stop being pleasantly surprising, but today is not that day. I'm also pleased with the autistic/ADHD representation as someone with minor autism/heavy ADHD. Although I do have to nitpick that if Hop does have ADHD (In canon or as you've represented), it's under strong control or was light to begin with, especially compared to the rival in... Platinum, I think? That kept dashing into and away from situations and couldn't think still long enough to develop workable plans. You don't need to change Hop's characterization further, I'm just noting it doesn't quite mesh. -Speaking of not quite meshing, I appreciate the rolling back of Rose's Saturday morning cartoon villainy, although you're doing so much of it I'm curious how much of his later dialogue you'll actually be using. And also the step back from the game's stance of "Big Important Plot is happening just over there! What? No, you can't see it, go play with your dog/spider/octopus." -You made repeated mentions of Hop and the Gym Leaders having special moves that they just didn't use, and thanks to the trainer AI, they'll never use those moves against a Pokemon that's resistant to the type. Maybe if you managed to PP stall them long enough, but that would only work for Hop and his starter's signature (Which could be Branch Poke or Ember, he does have those little lines in early battles), you'd still need a neutral/weak mon out for a Gym Leader's Dynamax. -My team tended to be just suboptimal enough that Gym Leaders and Hop were often significant hurdles ending in at least half my team down from the Fire gym onward. All the bugs and birds you find make Turffield a cakewalk, and I think my Yamper literally soloed Nessa. Made things feel more like an actual anime battle to go in with my type spread A team, about half of which were weak against the gym typing. -The dictation software you're using is a good idea (I think most Pokemon LPers copy from text dumps), but you really need to make a few more editing passes. It's readable, but there's moments where it takes a bit before I realize it's a software or pronunciation error. Amusingly, I'm fairly negative on video LPers who read the dialogue boxes out loud (Because most of them do so very poorly and only have one voice), but it feels fine in a screenshot LP. -As a fellow Gen-1er that only dabbled in the GBA games and didn't touch the 3DS at all, I too had a bit of trouble with Fairy types, especially the ones that were mono-Normal in earlier games. I didn't actually know their weaknesses until literally the first quiz fight in Opal's gym. There I just guessed based on traditional folkloric fairies not liking iron. Also I have the seemingly unique opinion that every gameplay and design iteration has been good or at least neutral (Barring version exclusives, which I didn't like then and still don't like now). Each gen has a bunch of great new mon designs and a handful of ones that fall flat (Usually including the new electric rodent). The only thing I actively dislike is Sw/Sh's reduced Pokedex, but I recognize they would have had a time including all 893. Mostly they put in too many Gen 1 mons for my taste, I was like "I've already used that one before!" -This is more on Arthurian legend than anything actually game-related, but the interesting thing I've always thought of was that the common perspective of knights in full plate on horseback could not have been accurate. Those were Middle to High Medieval innovations, a time when historical documentation was beginning to ramp up to the point where we know pretty well what was going on. 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Dareon posted:
A post like that preserves a proper response!
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You have no idea just how deep my Arthuriana knowledge goes, my friend. Fun fact? At least according to
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Falconier111 posted:Just assume he got the same level of almost futuristically good care as Gloria, I guess. You know, I've seen Tumblr posts about people having Pokémon assist them with one disability or another - Psychic-type Pokémon were particularly mentioned in this context. Who knows what'd be possible in the Pokéverse? (Assuming the nosebleed and fainting issue is resolved when Pokémon work together with humans.)
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Alola made it pretty explicit there are assistant pokemon, though primarily for physical disabilities (Machamps helping people that can't walk being the more noticeable one)
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Quackles posted:You know, I've seen Tumblr posts about people having Pokémon assist them with one disability or another - Psychic-type Pokémon were particularly mentioned in this context. Who knows what'd be possible in the Pokéverse? (Assuming the nosebleed and fainting issue is resolved when Pokémon work together with humans.) For people with sensory issues, even something that would deaden sensation at appropriate times would make a massive difference. Many of the social issues related to autism emerge from being unable to properly perceive social interaction through a haze of too much or too little sensory information when young, leaving them behind the curve in developing social skills. A Pokémon able to reach in and normalize that intake would have a permanent positive effect on that kid’s life. Also, in case it wasn’t clear; the whole fainting thing is (in this universe) actually really rare and on the extreme end of what a Pokémon could do to a person’s brain; for the most part, the stuff they can do is temporary and largely harmless. Falconier111 fucked around with this message at 06:02 on Dec 13, 2020 |
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Quackles posted:You know, I've seen Tumblr posts about people having Pokémon assist them with one disability or another - Psychic-type Pokémon were particularly mentioned in this context. Who knows what'd be possible in the Pokéverse? (Assuming the nosebleed and fainting issue is resolved when Pokémon work together with humans.) My personal headcanon is that the rival who has you help him catch a Ralts in one of the GBA games benefited as much from it being a Psychic-type boosting his confidence as from the societal "I am ten years old and have a Pokemon, my Rite of Manhood is complete."
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Falconier111 posted:For people with sensory issues, even something that would deaden sensation at appropriate times would make a massive difference. Many of the social issues related to autism emerge from being unable to properly perceive social interaction through a haze of too much or too little sensory information when young, leaving them behind the curve in developing social skills. A Pokémon able to reach in and normalize that intake would have a permanent positive effect on that kid’s life. I should probably note that it isn't always sensory overflow/underflow with autism. Sometimes it's just... seeing the things that people do and being unable to either recognize them as social cues or being unable to interpret their meaning. I imagine there'd need to be a different sort of assistance for that - some sort of help with interpretation? Falconier111 posted:Also, in case it wasn’t clear; the whole fainting thing is (in this universe) actually really rare and on the extreme end of what a Pokémon could do to a person’s brain; for the most part, the stuff they can do is temporary and largely harmless. Oh, good.
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Update 38: I Really Made It This update will be a lot shorter than most, because it was either split today’s update into two parts or post the longest update in this thread so far. Like, so long. Depending on how things go, you’ll probably see the second part/follow up update today or tomorrow. Wyndon - Pokémon Sword and Shield OST This one is another banger. I know you folks don’t listen to these because nobody noticed the gift I left for you in the Raihan fight, but I highly recommend you at least listen to the first few seconds.  Well, that Route was bloody miserable. Oh, sure, but look at this place!       You get it, don’t you, mate? After all, I’m about to become the new Champion of the Galar region! Oh, I think it’s a bit early to declare your victory yet. That’s it! No more naysaying for you! I’m headed straight for Wyndon Stadium! Don’t waste too much time, Gloria. You should head there yourself!And we are released to explore the greatest city in Galar. Well, what we can. It’s a pretty substantial city, but the game heavily implies there’s a lot more to it then we can see or visit  . According to the game, Rose heavily rebuilt the city from a historic but more rundown state, but man, it’s London, I'm not toeing that line. How rich do you have to be to completely rebuild the city of London? Our first stop, as it always should be, is the Pokémon Center, which has something interesting for us… Vitamins don’t just increase the stats of Pokémon, they modify how quickly those stats increase using a mechanic called effort values – essentially, beat Pokémon in combat and your Pokémon’s stats will increase slightly faster, though there’s a billion different factors and quirks in the system that I neither understand nor care to find out about. Vitamins here boost EVs for… Well, not for free, since they are hideously expensive, but they make stat gain a lot easier if used correctly. I will not be using them either correctly or incorrectly.  Like other big cities, Wyndon has its own boutique, but holy  is this stuff expensive. Also for some reason very punk. You see that number up there? By the time I was done… … I’d eaten up almost half of it.   This town is truly enormous, but its size is a little deceptive; it has more big open spaces than any city before it, but there isn’t much interesting to find compared to its predecessors. We do have this guy hiding in one of the townhouses, though…   Before this fight, I genuinely didn’t think it was possible to fight one. I just thought they were flavor, but no. Oh well, they put up a pretty impressive flight for Pokémon substantially weaker than my team, but I beat them down regardless. As a reward, he gives us an item that lets us modify the type of a Pokémon I will probably never use. Thanks, buddy!  By the way, before we continue our journey, this is the team I will be taking into the championship matches (healed up, of course). I THINK they have strong enough stats and type coverages to take me through to the end, especially factoring in level ups I get during the competition. But no plan survives contact with the enemy. Tournament Lobby (Locker Room) - Pokémon Sword and Shield OST  Look at that – our very last encounter with everyone’s favorite item dispensary.  I can tell you’re following your dreams! And that means… You guessed it! I’ve got a Pokéball for you!He gives us a Dream Ball, which makes catching Pokémon with the Sleep status effect easier. So, probably not anything I'm going to use outside of a few very specific instances. But hey! He gave us the capstone in a long line of free stuff. Thank you, man . I made it through the Gym Challenge. There might be for remainin’ in the Semifinals… But I’m the one who’s gonna win through and battle the Champion. Oh? Is that certainty I hear? You’d best believe it . Turns out I was the first to register for the Champion Cup, which means I have a bye while you two work each other over. In other words, I’m already number one. It’s pretty much in the bag that I’ll win this thing!   MC Grunt : We’ve been watching over your performance in the Gym Challenge. This is just a formality, of course, but I’ll need to check your Gym Badges, if you don’t mind. I’m all sorted and ready to battle you on the biggest stage of them all! Come on, Gloria. We should head to the locker room! Tannoy: The Semifinals will be starting soon! Please head to the stadium pitch when you are ready. And with that, we’ve arrived at the finals. In older games, instead of the relatively brutal but still uncomplicated Route 10, to make your way to the Elite Four, you had to go through Victory Road. Though different Generations experimented with the concept, they were all long caves scattered with puzzles and powerful Trainers, one final endurance match before the mother of all endurance matches later on. Likewise, while there were also settlements of some kind outside of the entrance, they were always tiny (usually a Pokémon Center, a Pokémart, and maybe a couple other buildings) instead of metropoli. Even the Badges work slightly differently; while you still needed to present eight Badges, you needed to present them to a guard or police officer, and they were individual pins kept in a carrying case instead of different pieces of the same emblem. To me, this whole area feels just slightly unreal, not in a bad way, but a bit like walking through your room in a dream where you know your room isn’t arranged like that but it feels right anyway. There wasn’t anything like the Semifinals in the older games, either. In fact, rivals worked completely differently. Instead of being developed characters with their own arcs and agency, there were mostly just reflections of the main character. The very first rival, known to history as Blue (you named him at the start of the game, which meant you had a lot of people (including me) going up against DOUCHE for the rest of the game), was a bully who taunted you until you kicked the poo poo out of him. His heirs sometimes had story arcs of their own, but they didn’t stand out much. Apparently they started developing into proper characters found Gen 5, but they weren’t active participants in the story when my interest in Pokémon peaked. Now, though… Now they participate in the Semifinals.
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Literally every single Internet humor source that has even the slightest connection to Pokemon makes the same joke about how Professor Oak forgets the name of his own grandson and just goes with whatever your character tells him. And I will always love those. A thousand bucks (I'm treating Pokebucks as yen, and yen as roughly equivalent to cents, makes for a good enough exchange rate for anime) is probably about right for a trendy leather jacket from a London boutique. But you also noted something I was mildly annoyed by. There are only three clothing themes: Absolute milquetoast, twisted loving psychopath, and... soccer uniform. Mind you, punk is basically my jam, and I did come up with some interesting things using Steel/Poison/Psychic uniform parts with more normal clothing, but the lack of variety sort of grated on me after a while.
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