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Watch Gunbuster, it's the badass bisexual grandma of giant robot anime. It's also like six episodes total
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Oct 29, 2020 11:50
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Chomp8645 posted:You know I have not seen Evangelion but I have heard this specific complain levied at it before. It's like the Watchmen thing for comics: Eva tries to take an actual realistic take on what happens when you have teenagers piloting giant robots, ie, the situational is bizarre and completely hosed and the teenagers are completely hosed, with the protagonist actually reacting how you'd expect an emotionally neglected teenager with a dead mom and absent father suddenly conscripted to pilot a giant bizarre war machine against alien invaders immune to conventional weaponry to react to such. (IE, not well) See also living with some emotionally messed up girls who are in the same boat; the story is actually about hosed up people, and Shinji tries to make the best of things all things considered but the whole game is rigged from the start. Unfortunately, other writers took from this and Eva's wild unexpected success is that whiny teenage boys are cool for some reason and teenage girls with no apparent emotions or social skills whatsoever, or way too many emotions and wild mood swings as a result, are cute and sexy. That said, it's hard to say how much of that is unintentional, and how much is more western audiences reacting to what is, as mentioned, a far more common archetype in anime, being a teenager who's actually allowed to display negative emotions. (weirdly enough)
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Oct 30, 2020 01:30
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Chomp8645 posted:It sounds like Evangelion is the "Obsidian Sequel" of anime, except instead of being a cult classic that goes against the mainstream of the genre, it redefined the mainstream instead. Like if after KOTOR 2 every Star Wars product pivoted into waxing philosophical about how Jedi and Sith are two sides of the same coin, representing a pointless conflict among aristocrats for which the innocent masses suffer. Tbh I'm not sure if that's terrible or owns extremely. Eh, funny thing is that they kinda did that, just in the worst possible ham-handed mealy-mouthed way imaginable that tries to avoid moral ambiguity but still claim the points for it anyway. Like with pretty much any medium, you get something that's popular because it does things differently, and then all the hack writers imitate it without understanding why the thing is popular, and spin off into ever more specific and insular subgenres and niches with increasing distance from anything that had clear and obvious appeal. (yes, a lot like porn) IIRC there was a big thing with some prominent anime director lamenting that most of the new stuff doesn't even bother to have characters animate and move remotely like real people when doing even things like opening a door. The stereotype of having ridiculously elaborate character designs that are actually animated as little as possible with exaggerated stock expressions and reaction noises is often pretty on point. (albeit that, done well, it still works)
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Oct 30, 2020 02:13
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Though the worst cases usually just have stock high school student designs that are still stiffly and lazily animated.
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Oct 30, 2020 02:22
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Velisarius posted:Frankly I would love to see more series about the struggles of being a salaryman or an office woman (not Aggrestuko that plays it up for laughs) Akira's a massively condensed take on the manga iirc. cubivore posted:I wouldn't say the hacks imitate it without understanding why it is popular. I think all the emotionless and tsundere waifu girls infecting every single anime prove that the characters are a lot more popular without actual emotional problems or depth. the depth and new ideas make it so that evangelion is remembered, but the popularity of anime archetypes aren't because of the psychological scarring that causes them to be that way. it's because hot girl bullying and blushing is cool and sexy (to animers) That too. The same thing with Watchmen; 'wow, cool gritty violent anti-hero!' and the writing equivalent of gorging yourself on cookies til you puke
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Oct 30, 2020 02:54
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GATOS Y VATOS posted:I remember an interview between Tsukasa Hojo (Cat's Eye, City Hunter) and Hajime Sorayama (sexy robot artist) in the 90s and at one point they both lamented that no one was drawing adult women anymore in manga, and it was all going towards the teen "moé" aesthetic and it frankly baffled and saddened them. They weren't wrong. It's not as bad as it used to be now but a massive chunk of the industry got taken over by flat out pedophilia for like a decade. Used to be the idea was they could double-dip demographics by having a show be for actual young girls while also appealing to creepy older males (yes, bronies are just a western version of this) but I think even the first part stopped being a priority after a while. A lot of the weird and bizarrely specific ideas come off like those weird webcomics that are obviously the author catering to their own bizarre fetishes with varying levels of self-awareness, otherwise wrapped around a bog standard dull formula
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Oct 30, 2020 06:25
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Might be obvious but One-Punch Man is a parody design-wise of the aforementioned Anpanman. That show is basically like, Sesame Street level well known in Japan, and a shitload of kids' anime tropes got started there, like how the anime Team Rocket's schtick is like 90% lifted from the main villains. Apparently it's actually pretty interesting in how it works, as Anpanman's whole deal is getting his powers from his pastry head- and the rub is, his head is as durable and long-lasting as you'd expect pastry to be, and needs frequent replacement when it gets damaged, spoiled, or even wet. Makes for a hero who's less invincible, but basically a glass cannon who needs other people's help to function as much as they need him. Which is a pretty solid concept for a children's show.
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Oct 30, 2020 09:04
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The_Continental posted:Glad to see the "anime sucks" thread is just the anime thread now. This is every anime thread everywhere forever
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Oct 30, 2020 11:13
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Nastyman posted:Don't ever watch the new popular poo poo, it almost always goes up its own rear end after season two. Also anything with an angsty teen protagonist is usually aimed at angsty teens. A lot of anime is basically one season before the writers burn out on the one vaguely original idea they had and go back to formula and/or massively up their own rear end forever Anime is like British television: all the best stuff is like six to twelve episodes max, the mediocre garbage goes on forever.
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Oct 30, 2020 13:08
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Caesar Saladin posted:you never know, you start reading a book about a wizard and suddenly someone gets raped on page 290 There's a whole thing with fantasy and sci-fi where the author starts bringing up their weird rear end horrible fetishes and bizarre ideas about gender out of nowhere, including the famous stuff and books explicitly aimed at children (Xanth in particular being outright pro-pedophilia)
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Oct 31, 2020 06:12
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Moon Atari posted:Can't deny that there is maybe a touch of the Metal Gear/Kingdom Hearts style "reams of lore not spelled out clearly or at all in the main text" problem though. Of all of Metal Gear's problems, feels like underexplaining is NOT one of them Caesar Saladin posted:I actually like how the teenagers in Evangelion are sad and awkward and horny and have issues with their parents and are under too much pressure. Shinji is suitably mopey and reluctant. Yeah, one of the few shows where the teenagers actually act like teenagers, and the adults are hosed up as well- even mastermind Gendo is actually fallible and ends up loving most everything up because of his hubris and that he can't sit down and talk to his son for five minutes Moon Atari posted:You are mainly describing differences between the 'real robot' and 'super robot' subgenres, but I don't really know mecha well enough to make real robot recommendations. Eh, it's not as big a difference as you might think at times, but there's definitely anime that treat robots as military hardware, and then anime that treats robots as superheroes. Of course you can classify other stuff too; western stuff usually leans more towards real robot with Battletech/Mechwarrior and such, but then on the other end of the scale there's Iron Man. There's also often fuzzy lines. (Zoids New Century comes to mind as seemingly a goofy show about animal mecha fighting as a sport, but there's a lot of details when you look closer; budget is a constant concern, piloting is shown to be extremely physically intense and can result in injuries, with most pilots being young people and sometimes shown working out to stay in shape; and the animation is pretty famously great for giving the mechs weight and presence, the one anime that does obvious CGI right)
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Oct 31, 2020 17:58
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Bargearse posted:Ive never been a big fan of anime but somehow managed to devour an entire season of K-ON! In one sitting. Isn't that one of those shows described as basically anime comfort food? Basically like Friends but with cartoon high schoolers.
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Nov 2, 2020 06:03
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I describe Jojos as ridiculously buff dudes with various flamboyantly eccentric personalities, incredibly bizarre superpowers and melodramatic propensities getting into ridiculously weird and intricate puzzle battles. Also most everyone dies by the end of every story and their grandkids pick it up next time
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Nov 2, 2020 06:11
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Chomp8645 posted:It really is a bizarre one choice of name, honestly. The first time you hear it you probably imagine it's about an insane serial killer or something. If Street Fighter is any indication, the Japanese don't really understand that 'psycho' has different connotations from 'psychic' and think the former just sounds cooler. In general a lot about anime names makes sense when you realise they like to use English words that sound cool and they think are close enough to what they're going for. Then you get cases like FLCL, which is officially pronounced 'fooly cooly' and meant to sound like English but not mean anything. Also the occasional pun that doesn't translate because of either not getting the connotations or not realising that pronunciation in English works differently.
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Nov 2, 2020 06:54
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Happens with anime titles a lot that aren't the really specific My Brother's Dog Is A Hot Girl or whatever porno title ones. Stuff like Fruits Basket is just off enough, and One Piece iirc is based on a title that's much more vague in Japanese, which has a lot of language for talking around a topic or person without directly referring to them, which tends to translate really awkwardly to English where saying things like 'a certain person' is considered infuriatingly vague.
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Nov 2, 2020 07:09
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Doesn't help lot of mainstream anime is so long and padded that it's hard to watch outside of being a kid with the time to watch it every day. Dragon Ball Z is really bad for this, hence it got its own recut trying to move at a reasonable pace.
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Nov 2, 2020 08:36
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cubivore posted:all the stuff like that is dumped into the genre called "shounen" which is literally young boy, because little boys like that are the intended audience. but somehow it's become americans only know about and watch shounen It's pretty much the anime equivalent of superhero comics, cartoons, and as it turns out, movies, having broad appeal with action-packed fight scenes and hunky boys.
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Nov 2, 2020 11:11
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Also more recently combined with crippling lack of opportunity. Japan is basically just a generation ahead of the rest of the world with boomers pulling up the ladder.
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Nov 2, 2020 13:08
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Hollywood has literally no idea what to do with anime, the only reason Speed Racer and Alita came out remotely coherent is because the former was clearly the Wachowskis having a fuckload of fun with it and the later is James Cameron's pet project. Otherwise you get things like Dragon Ball Evolution. The Last Airbender as an honorary mention, too. It's not even just disrespect or condescension, but seems to be complete incomprehension.
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Nov 2, 2020 14:37
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Vegetable posted:I need to reply to this because 95% of modern Japanese cinema is absolutely atrocious and the good stuff tends to be very unpopular with the public. Koreeda and a few hit-and-miss auteurs exist, but the vast majority of movies are wish fulfillment, sappy or trashy. I mean, that's different from everywhere else in the world how?
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Nov 11, 2020 06:11
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