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Yeah, I don't really have many good things to say about that flick. It's just a pebble in my shoe that people use something that isn't even true as the microcosm of why the film was bad when abandoning every awesome thing Last Jedi did to have greater appeal to racist grifter youtubers who still hated the movie is right there.
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May 7, 2023 03:32
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I mean as soon it was announced that Abrams was back to make the last film I just gave up any hope because he's never been able to make an ending for anything that wasn't just hack poo poo. I was proven right.
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May 7, 2023 03:50
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LividLiquid posted:Again, it is explained in the very first scene in the movie. 
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May 7, 2023 04:00
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Of course none of that holds a candle to the unethical cloning of sequel trilogy discussions
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May 7, 2023 04:38
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Animal-Mother posted:Well boy howdy, Palpatine returned! “Motherfucker, Palpatine retuned!” - Mace Windu, who also returned,
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May 7, 2023 05:08
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"THE SACRED TEXTS, MOTHERFUCKER. DID YOU READ THEM?!" No no, there's something here, we can work with this...
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May 7, 2023 08:50
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Arquinsiel posted:They don't really explain why this cloning is different until right at the end, and that's assuming that Sheev, of all people, is not lying about it. Also that every other Sith we've seen didn't notice that they were also Sheev for some reason If it was revealed was there were always two Sith because it’s only been Sheev, grooming his next body donor one after another for thousands of years…
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May 7, 2023 11:41
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GATOS Y VATOS posted:I mean as soon it was announced that Abrams was back to make the last film I just gave up any hope because he's never been able to make an ending for anything that wasn't just hack poo poo. I was proven right. While I agree with you that The Rise of Skywalker sucks poo poo and is one of the most miserable things I've ever watched, to what other Abrams endings are you referring? Because if it's Lost, that's on Damon Lindelof and Carlton Cuse. Abrams was largely hands-off on that show after directing the pilot. Edit: Coincidentally, that's why JJ directed so many pilots in his early days. Because of some stuff with DGA rules, the director of a TV series pilot gets royalties for every subsequent episode even if they never, ever set foot on the set again. Joe Carnahan gets a $5,000 check for every episode of The Blacklist, because he directed the pilot episode. Timby fucked around with this message at 13:24 on May 7, 2023 |
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May 7, 2023 13:11
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Timby posted:While I agree with you that The Rise of Skywalker sucks poo poo and is one of the most miserable things I've ever watched, to what other Abrams endings are you referring? He did end his first show, Felicity, which ended with Felicity started where she was at the beginning but knowing more (!!!).
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May 7, 2023 16:07
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Timby posted:While I agree with you that The Rise of Skywalker sucks poo poo and is one of the most miserable things I've ever watched, to what other Abrams endings are you referring? God drat, how'd the Directors' Guild pull that one off?
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May 7, 2023 18:24
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Timby posted:While I agree with you that The Rise of Skywalker sucks poo poo and is one of the most miserable things I've ever watched, to what other Abrams endings are you referring? Alias is a really good example of the Abrams mystery box problem. Just getting further and further into debt by stacking mystery on top of mystery until the entire thing collapses.
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May 7, 2023 18:55
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Marsupial Ape posted:If it was revealed was there were always two Sith because it’s only been Sheev, grooming his next body donor one after another for thousands of years…
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May 7, 2023 19:00
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Pinterest Mom posted:Alias is a really good example of the Abrams mystery box problem. Just getting further and further into debt by stacking mystery on top of mystery until the entire thing collapses. And Abrams didn't run Alias.
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May 7, 2023 19:20
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Arquinsiel posted:That'd work with the Disney canon, but it'd piss off a whole chunk of people who've been waiting for them to revisit KotOR. Also it'd mean that the Darth Plagieus story was a lie and that was also Sheev getting popped by his apprentice and taking over so Darth Plagieus could, in fact, save himself after all. Eh I mean. There’s no need for it to be one or the other. Of the Sith lords we see in KOTOR, they kind of run the gamut from just being mildly pissed off jedi in scary colors, all the way up to Nihilus who is an inscrutable howling void filled with the consumed souls of genocide victims. I don’t think Sidious as space ghost host to host is incompatible with that. It’s also basically the same as what his backstory was in old EU (dark empire)
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May 7, 2023 20:22
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TIL that sheev isn't said in any of the movies..so whoever made that dudes name sheev palpatine in whatever random side project thing and it stuck, i salute you
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May 7, 2023 20:33
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skasion posted:Eh I mean. There’s no need for it to be one or the other. Of the Sith lords we see in KOTOR, they kind of run the gamut from just being mildly pissed off jedi in scary colors, all the way up to Nihilus who is an inscrutable howling void filled with the consumed souls of genocide victims. I don’t think Sidious as space ghost host to host is incompatible with that.  ".
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May 7, 2023 20:55
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JJ Abrams job is to run Bad Robot and pitch things, then hire showrunners to take over. He pitches an absurd amount, might direct a pilot or two, but his real job is running a bigass production company and giving work to up-and-comers. That so many things he's been involved with were disappointing fare in the genre space, he gets maligned rather a lot more than he should, in my opinion.
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May 7, 2023 20:58
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The entirety of the last trilogy just didn’t need to exist. It was all terrible. Why go back to Palpatine. The Luke stuff was dumb. I fell asleep 20 minutes into the last one and I’ll never finish and I don’t care what happened. It legit wouldve been more compelling to do a KOTOR thing. It’s just like the tatooine poo poo, there’s a metric loving ton of good Star Wars stories they can draw from and they go back to the dumbest of wells. It’s great we got Andor Mando and Rogue One at least
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May 7, 2023 21:07
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The Last Jedi is the best Star War, and The Force Awakens was pretty great too. If I let the last flick in a trilogy ruin what came before, I wouldn't think much of the original trilogy either.
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May 7, 2023 21:11
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The casino planet and space Mary poppins and the part with astral Luke and everything involving the pilot guy was dogshit. The force awakens was mediocre the last two were just…. Awful
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May 7, 2023 21:16
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Counterpoint: I loved them? Okay, this is just gonna' go in circles.
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May 7, 2023 21:19
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Yeah all those parts were actually Good
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May 7, 2023 21:22
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zer0spunk posted:TIL that sheev isn't said in any of the movies..so whoever made that dudes name sheev palpatine in whatever random side project thing and it stuck, i salute you George Lucas
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CelticPredator posted:George Lucas I thought it was the prequels too but apparently, they never say it according to google e: this guy- https://www.denofgeek.com/books/james-luceno-interview-star-wars-the-sith-tarkin-palpatines-first-name/ but i guess technically lucas cuz it was a story group thing? it does kinda gently caress me up that the sheev thing is from 2014...i really coulda swore dude had a first name well before then but clearly not https://www.cinemablend.com/new/Star-Wars-Emperor-Palpatine-Finally-Has-First-Name-It-Weird-67728.html zer0spunk fucked around with this message at 22:06 on May 7, 2023 |
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May 7, 2023 21:59
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The emperor character in the original drafts was called Cos Dashit. Strongly regret that Lucas backed down from this
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May 7, 2023 22:13
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What's even funnier is that Sheev isn't even Legends canon
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May 7, 2023 22:16
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zer0spunk posted:I thought it was the prequels too but apparently, they never say it according to google Emperor Palpatine wasn't even named in the original trilogy. He's simply called the Emperor.
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May 7, 2023 22:24
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He had the name palpatine in at least 1995ish
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May 8, 2023 00:29
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It wasn't even called Star Wars until the fourth movie.
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May 8, 2023 00:31
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A.o.D. posted:It wasn't even called Star Wars until the fourth movie. hosed up if true
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CelticPredator posted:He had the name palpatine in at least 1995ish He is already named Palpatine in the original movie’s novelization, where he is an ambitious senator who promised reform but once emperor, became a puppet of bureaucrats. It just isn’t mentioned in dialogue. Also no mention of any evil wizardry at this stage, I think that was conceived for ESB.
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skasion posted:He is already named Palpatine in the original movie’s novelization, where he is an ambitious senator who promised reform but once emperor, became a puppet of bureaucrats. It just isn’t mentioned in dialogue. Also no mention of any evil wizardry at this stage, I think that was conceived for ESB. Yep, it's all Alan Dean Foster's fault
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May 8, 2023 01:06
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You go back that far and it is ambiguous if the Emperor is actually a bad guy
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skasion posted:The emperor character in the original drafts was called Cos Dashit. Strongly regret that Lucas backed down from this Is star wars just an elaborate plot to be able to say swears in a kids movie?
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Sash! posted:You go back that far and it is ambiguous if the Emperor is actually a bad guy There's no such thing as a good emperor.
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i am a moron posted:we got Andor Mando "This is the one way out."
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Sash! posted:You go back that far and it is ambiguous if the Emperor is actually a bad guy He's a bad guy but he's not the Bad Guy. 
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May 8, 2023 03:53
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Sash! posted:You go back that far and it is ambiguous if the Emperor is actually a bad guy To be fair, if you go far enough forward in Legends continuity, it becomes ambiguous again.
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tribbledirigible posted:To be fair, if you go far enough forward in Legends continuity, it becomes ambiguous again. We don't talk about the Yuuzhan Vong invasion! 
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