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It's been 10 years since I read through the NJO books, but I think it was the book after Anakin Solo's death ...uh, maybe Dark Journey(?), that was such an absolute mess. Like, it just made no sense and I couldn't follow it at all. Maybe I was burning out by that point, but I don't recall having any trouble with the rest of the books after that.
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Combat Pretzel posted:Wasn't NJO like 20 books, in which the humans and Jedi get constantly trashed by the Yuuhzan Vong for 17-18 of them? I'd say that was kinda pushing it a little. Ehhhh I think a 19-book series wasn’t much of an ask when you already had a decade of dozens of interconnected stories that people had followed fairly religiously. And the actual content and premise was genuinely fresh for Star Wars, it just really suffered in its execution toward the end. IMO all the series that came afterward (Dark Nest, LOTF, Fate of the Jedi) were far worse than the NJO. I’d probably hate re-reading it now as an adult, but it was great when I was a teen.
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Feb 23, 2021 23:27
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I did like the Death Star novel that came out around 2008. In part, because it gave an actual explanation of why the guy kept saying "standby" after the Death Star had the shot on Yavin IV.
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Feb 24, 2021 00:33
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Sash! posted:I did like the Death Star novel that came out around 2008. This sounds terrible sorry, the absolute nadir of overexplaining poo poo that doesn't need explaining Butterfly Valley fucked around with this message at 00:39 on Feb 24, 2021 |
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Feb 24, 2021 00:36
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Sash! posted:I did like the Death Star novel that came out around 2008. Yeah, that one (Catalyst iirc) is solid. There’s good stuff in the new EU, it just doesn’t have the same weight and importance that it felt like the old EU had because the new EU is no longer the main source for the continuing adventures of Luke & Co. Still, I think these are worth people’s time if you’re interested: Novels Catalyst Bloodline Tarkin Alphabet Squadron series Dooku: Jedi Lost High Republic: Light of the Jedi Comics Vader: Dark Lord of the Sith (2017-2018, 25 issues) Doctor Aphra (2016-2019, 40 issues) Lando (2015, 5 issues)
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Feb 24, 2021 00:43
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Butterfly Valley posted:This sounds terrible sorry, the absolute nadir of overexplaining poo poo that doesn't need explaining The guy who actually pushes the button is this super gung ho in it For the Cause guy. He is thrilled about being selected to gunnery officer controlling the biggest gun around. During tests, he is like "this is so awesome." He completely disintegrates after destroying Alderaan, and the guilt crushes him. So the next time he has to fire on a target, he goes through the firing process and just stops, silently begging the Rebel fighters get their shot off before someone realizes what he's doing.
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Captain Splendid posted:The opening book was great. The problem with Traviss was that she was writing Star Wars books and actively hated the Jedi or any force users. It's why she had them constantly talked down too or belittled: Luke not knowing the difference between Jedi and Sith, Jacen being knee capped by heroic Mandos who let him live while they could have finished him off but decided to let the sister do it which occurred a book or two later. For the prequel stuff having everyone be happy that the Jedi got what they deserved and even Jedi's agreeing they should die for all they did, Ashoka outright killing etc. When people started to call her out she pretty much went nuclear and started to call the fans Talifans. (you know Taliban and fans mixed together) and would get mods to remove the post and ban people on forums. She had been liked at first for the mando books but the more she went on the more people turned against her for her attitude and her writing being one dimensional. Didn't help that she pretty much made a statement when not insulting fans that she was able to write anyone no matter how repugnant or evil they were aka the Jedi/Force Users as a whole which was like pouring gasoline on a fire. I was so happy when she essentially got kicked off Star War books, she tried to say she had decided to leave but make no doubt about it, she was removed and her planned novels/guides cancelled. Then she went onto Gears of War and Halo. The Last Call fucked around with this message at 02:27 on Feb 24, 2021 |
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Feb 24, 2021 02:11
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Sash! posted:The guy who actually pushes the button is this super gung ho in it For the Cause guy. He is thrilled about being selected to gunnery officer controlling the biggest gun around. During tests, he is like "this is so awesome." He completely disintegrates after destroying Alderaan, and the guilt crushes him. So the next time he has to fire on a target, he goes through the firing process and just stops, silently begging the Rebel fighters get their shot off before someone realizes what he's doing.
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Why didn't somebody tell me there was quasi flash videos called Forces of Destiny? mostly kinda lame, but seeing Hera make Han say the Ghost was better then the Falcon made me chuckle. 
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Big Mean Jerk posted:Still, I think these are worth people’s time if you’re interested: Really? I found Light of the Jedi to be a boring mess with way too many utterly personality-less characters that were impossible to actually care about. That being the said the actual concept/premise is neat.
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shades of eternity posted:Why didn't somebody tell me there was quasi flash videos called Forces of Destiny? There are also some cute porg episodes. The series was a toy / doll tie-in. Jenny Nicholson did a video on why it didn't work https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H3PKipRZKv0
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Radio! posted:Really? I found Light of the Jedi to be a boring mess with way too many utterly personality-less characters that were impossible to actually care about. That being the said the actual concept/premise is neat. Yeah, that rec is more for the potential the series has as it goes on. I have faith in Soule though, his comics have easily been the highlight of the new EU and he’s great at finding the “voice” of existing characters. That’s something that’s really lacking in the other OT Marvel comics. https://twitter.com/craigengler/status/1364329956629749761?s=21 Really curious what the hell this would have been. SyFy changed names in 2009, when was Lucas shopping Underworld around? Later in that thread he mentions the John Edward psychic bullshit shows were on around the same time, which would place this pitch around the 2001-2004 era.
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Feb 24, 2021 08:03
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Sash! posted:The guy who actually pushes the button is this super gung ho in it For the Cause guy. He is thrilled about being selected to gunnery officer controlling the biggest gun around. During tests, he is like "this is so awesome." He completely disintegrates after destroying Alderaan, and the guilt crushes him. So the next time he has to fire on a target, he goes through the firing process and just stops, silently begging the Rebel fighters get their shot off before someone realizes what he's doing. Feels like he would have completely disintegrated in a different way after destroying Alderaan, how tf did he survive to do the same job on a different Death Star?
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Doctor Nutt posted:Feels like he would have completely disintegrated in a different way after destroying Alderaan, how tf did he survive to do the same job on a different Death Star? Do you remember how the film goes?
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Feb 24, 2021 09:01
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TBF with the tech back then a Star Wars show would've been more expensive or much worse looking.  It also would've been long season format syndicated stuff and probably involved all the worst of the stuff you see in the EU to pad content.
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Feb 24, 2021 09:40
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Big Mean Jerk posted:https://twitter.com/craigengler/status/1364329956629749761?s=21 SyFy really is/was the USS Enterprise of Incredibly loving Stupid Decisions, wasn't it? In hindsight, I mean. Immediately post-Revenge of the Sith, passing on a Star Wars TV show was like dodging a Banzai Bill sized bullet because the brand was basically dead at that point.
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Feb 24, 2021 09:51
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It would have been an attempt to do The Clone Wars.
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Feb 24, 2021 10:03
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Big Mean Jerk posted:Comics I'd add Kieron Gillen's run on the main Star Wars series to that (even while the art on it sucks) - it surprised me with having great antagonists that are not just Rommel-esque competent imperials - the remaining members of Saw's crew and the queen that sides with the Empire seeking protection. The theatre-loving shapeshifter was also a great pet character.
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Feb 24, 2021 10:28
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Alchenar posted:It would have been an attempt to do The Clone Wars. That’s what I assumed at first, but the tweet specifies that it was live-action.
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Big Mean Jerk posted:That’s what I assumed at first, but the tweet specifies that it was live-action. Yeah, my understanding is that Lucas had his idea for a live-action show that he was bandying about as the next project after the prequels were done, one of which was the Clone Wars and the other was a really early draft of Rebels. Basically only after everyone said 'this is unfilmable' and turn down did the project move in the direction of animation.
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Alchenar posted:Yeah, my understanding is that Lucas had his idea for a live-action show that he was bandying about as the next project after the prequels were done, one of which was the Clone Wars and the other was a really early draft of Rebels. Basically only after everyone said 'this is unfilmable' and turn down did the project move in the direction of animation. Back then it WAS unfilmable, especially with the kind of budgets SyFy would be willing to pay for.
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I’m still amazed that live action Star Wars TV is filmable today. Especially with Xwings, dragons, giant spiders, lightsabers, and a freaking baby Yoda. If you told me five years ago this was going to happen, I’d have laughed.
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nine-gear crow posted:SyFy really is/was the USS Enterprise of Incredibly loving Stupid Decisions, wasn't it? I haven't put eyes on anything SyFy has done since they backed out on the contract for the final season of Farscape. Some sins just can't be forgiven.
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It's possible it was early plans for Lucas' planned show, Underworld, which was a show that Lucas apparently started looking in to the development of around 2003/2004. He wanted to make a live action TV show set between Revenge of the Sith and A New Hope that would have a darker tone for a more adult audience and would focus on episodic stories, without one set protagonist (like his The Clone Wars cartoon was, I suppose) and hoped to give it almost movie level production values and focus on character drama that would make it comparable to shows like The Wire, The Sopranos etc. He did hire writers rooms for it though, and filmed about 50 hours of material with hopes for anywhere between 100 and 400 episodes; he couldn't figure out a way to make the production process financially viable on a budget that was workable for television; even with his predilection to throw some of his own money at production costs (as apparently he did with his The Clone Wars cartoon). That said, when talking to his writers he reportedly told them to just go for broke when writing up the episodes and to ignore budgetary constraints entirely and that they'd just figure it out later. They didn't though, obviously, and the project was apparently shelved while they looked in to ways to make things work around about 2009/2010, while some of the plot threads found their way into cancelled 1313 game, The Mandalorian and other projects over the last decade. You can actually see a bit of filmed footage for it on YouTube, along with some behind the scenes footage about making it and there's interviews online with some of the producers talking about their hopes for the show etc. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_tpTOwXVu8g tsob fucked around with this message at 13:27 on Feb 24, 2021 |
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Feb 24, 2021 13:25
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Lucas would have loved the Volume I think. It probably would have made that show financially viable
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Volume is basically the logical extension of all his obsession with CG, yeah, so he definitely would have loved it.
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The Last Call posted:Ashoka outright killing etc. Oh, Ahsoka has a really high body count in the cartoon. I can't do it right now but I'm sure somebody could find that clip of her decapitating four Mandolorians at once.
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I believe this is the clip you're referring to: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VK6_iR3CWzE&t=58s
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euphronius posted:Lucas would have loved the Volume I think. It probably would have made that show financially viable I’m pretty sure he was brought on set and shown how it works and yeah, he absolutely loved it. Might be in the season 1 documentary.
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I got ya bruh...
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jng2058 posted:Back then it WAS unfilmable, especially with the kind of budgets SyFy would be willing to pay for. The dune miniseries from around that time that syfy made had hilariously awful CGI.
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Yeah, the current Disney+ shows are basically what Lucas wanted to do. Underworld was simply impossible at the scale Lucas wanted because he was trying to make a TV show with hundreds of episodes that would all look as good as an entire Star Wars film. Technological progression (the Volume is actually multiple separate technologies and programs all combined in an unexpected way) and the backing of Disney has finally made it viable to make TV shows that look like high budget films, even if the number of episodes Lucas wanted is still ridiculous.
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Dawgstar posted:Oh, Ahsoka has a really high body count in the cartoon. I can't do it right now but I'm sure somebody could find that clip of her decapitating four Mandolorians at once. Yoda: "The Force is only for knowledge and defense, not attack." Also Yoda: "Train this child soldier, you will. Keep me updated on her body count."
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Baron Von Ghoulosh posted:I got ya bruh... There my (murder machine) girl at.
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TheCenturion posted:Yoda: "The Force is only for knowledge and defense, not attack." Other way. Yoda started a galactic war that got his entire order destroyed and handed the Republic to an evil wizard dictator, and only then came to the conclusion that wars not make one great
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skasion posted:Other way. Yoda started a galactic war that got his entire order destroyed and handed the Republic to an evil wizard dictator, and only then came to the conclusion that wars not make one great I’m pretty sure the teachings never changed, even if the Jedi lost the thread. “We can protect you, we cannot fight a war for you.”
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TheCenturion posted:I’m pretty sure the teachings never changed, even if the Jedi lost the thread. What about a STAR war?
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Baron Von Ghoulosh posted:I got ya bruh... I got to do that to a squad of Trandoshans in my first game of the Fantasy Flight Star Wars RPG because of how minion rules work, it was amazing.
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Dawgstar posted:Oh, Ahsoka has a really high body count in the cartoon. She is ruthless https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xRP7r-0nJLY
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teagone posted:She is ruthless droids dont count
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