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It's bad, folks! I'm all for making a big gay permanent station at a Lagrange point somewhere though
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space exploration helped accelerate the miniaturization of electronics mars etc will never be terraformed, and trashing this planet in hopes of finding a new home elsewhere is dumb. food grows out of the ground here and you can breathe the air for now
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Oct 31, 2020 18:27
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It's cool to do science and poo poo for its own sake with no extrinsic rewards, imo, and any society that is run remotely well has tons of surplus time and if people want to spend that looking at the void then have at it. Learning about brown dwarfs has been one of the coolest things I've done over the last couple years and I'm glad I got to do it and I hope more people get to do so too. The scifi stuff about colonizing alpha centauri or whatever is fiction and fiction's fine, but there's no real left wing stance on how to do that stuff because there's no real way to do it.
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Oct 31, 2020 18:43
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permanent residence on mars is possible, but it would be pointless and miserable cave dwelling. so i really hope elon musk succeeds in going there, despite how improbable that is.
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Oct 31, 2020 18:45
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There's a really good scifi short story from last year called "Emergency Skin" by N.K. Jemisin about what would likely happen if we did do space colonies and it's got a fun leftist read of the situation.
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Oct 31, 2020 18:51
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Aurora is a great take on space colonization
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Oct 31, 2020 19:17
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Mayor Dave posted:Fully Automated Luxury Gay Space Communism
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gimme the GOD drat candy posted:permanent residence on mars is possible, but it would be pointless and miserable cave dwelling. so i really hope elon musk succeeds in going there, despite how improbable that is. i used to think this but thats essentially been my life for the last 8 months so i think i might be okay in a mars cave as long as i have a treadmill and food like a hamster.
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colonialism and nationalism are inherently evil, and any space exploration that does not involve these lies centuries in the future if not millenia. if we can manage it without raping and destroying that kicks rear end, but. where is my dinner, now? who is going to pay my rent, now? who is going to prosecute cops who beat and murder my friends, now? who is going to do literally anything to prevent this pandemic from killing everyone, now? my leftist perspective is that i don't care about real world space exploration until i know i'm still going to be alive next month in a fallen nation where altruism, electorialism and protest have all failed. i would love to stop musk and his ilk from pursuing space science of any kind, but i'm as powerless to do that as i am to do anything else, other than throw a few bucks at charities now and then. there is nothing to surrender to him--he's rich. in this world, it is already his to take, and always was--just like everything else. that's the very first problem to solve imo
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Oct 31, 2020 19:53
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thomas sankara considered space exploration to be a massive waste of resources. there's a bunch of stuff we do which is an even greater waste of even more resources. p sure the u.s. could redirect it's military budget to nasa and still have enough change left over in the cushions to feed and shelter everyone.
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Oct 31, 2020 20:14
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I want to live on a space station like in the tv shows or at the very least a bunk on a spaceship. Mars seems like a lot of work for a while
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Oct 31, 2020 21:15
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That's why we have VR comrade. The reason we aren't finding any advanced alien civilizations is because they either nuke themselves to death or become VR-addicted neets
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the soviets did all the work in the 50s and 60s on figuring out how to establish life in artificial sattelites, but the USA had to allow the pollution of space for 40 years back from now. we wont get off this planet thanks to the US of A! https://www.amazon.com/Soviet-Writings-Earth-Satellites-Travel/dp/B000NYK8TQ great book
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space exploration is good and necessary because it improves our understanding of the universe. it should be done by robots though, because sending fragile meatbags out there that you then have to bring back in one temperature-controlled piece so their wives won't be sad is a complete waste of propellant exploring the solar system is cool and fun to do, but cosmology and high energy physics are the big prize because we haven't had big advances in understanding fundamental physics in half a century. for that, you need telescopes, and all the best telescopes are in space because where else are you going to build an interferometer array with a 200,000 mile diameter. let's get that bitch set up, probably still cost less than a month of the war on iraq
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it’s the only way to contact our alien comrades OP. as Marxism is the only rational version of society that must mean any advanced space alien must be even more Marxist than us. when we find them we’ll finally have proof the fourth internationale is the way to go
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Tulip posted:There's a really good scifi short story from last year called "Emergency Skin" by N.K. Jemisin about what would likely happen if we did do space colonies and it's got a fun leftist read of the situation. another great leftist take: mobile suit gundam(1979)
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Space exploration is irrelevant in real life, but even if we lived in a fantasy world where civilization had more than a couple decades left to exist and we stopped climate change 50 years ago it would still be ultimately less important than getting our poo poo together on Earth first. What's the point in trying to leave the planet if we're still divided into two hundred countries that hate each other and will destroy each other if political circumstances change in the wrong way?
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Classon Ave. Robot posted:Space exploration is irrelevant in real life, but even if we lived in a fantasy world where civilization had more than a couple decades left to exist and we stopped climate change 50 years ago it would still be ultimately less important than getting our poo poo together on Earth first. What's the point in trying to leave the planet if we're still divided into two hundred countries that hate each other and will destroy each other if political circumstances change in the wrong way? Even worse, absent us actually getting our poo poo together on earth spending resources on (human) space exploration now is basically the public subsidizing the future clean air bubble communities on earth of the hyperwealthy. right now the effort spent to try and make Mars or L* livable will be turned around and first used to justify why we don't need to respond to climate change. because it will always be cheaper and easier to deploy those technologies on earth the ameliorate the impact of climate destruction on the wealthy instead of actually building space stuff.
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Oct 31, 2020 23:29
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Space exploration is only expensive if it has to compete for resources is a capitalistic economy. If you consider the raw materials that are required they are relatively minor. Just because the JWST costs 10 billion does not mean that it absorbed 10 billion worth of resources that could have fed and clothed the poor. In an idealized society where quality primary, secondary, and higher education is free a space program is the perfect make-work receipient for a pipeline of highly educated bright young minds. Especially since intellectual property is considered a common good in this fantasy society there is a clear justification of benefits to the greater public. Spin off technologies would find applications to solve problems on earth.
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interesting how all the pro-space posts in here are saying soy face stuff like "cool and good", arguing that n.a.s.a. has ever been a force for good, etc.
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exmarx posted:interesting how all the pro-space posts in here are saying soy face stuff like "cool and good", arguing that n.a.s.a. has ever been a force for good, etc. Interesting how all your posts in here use idiotic phrases like "soy face".
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BIG, FIREY DICKS you think youve seen an obelisk before brothers WELL MY COCK IS METAL AND CUMS REAL AMERICAN MEN INTO GODS EYE
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I support Chinese cooperation with under-developed countries on developing space technology and satellites https://venezuelanalysis.com/news/13424 quote:Venezuela successfully launched the Antonio Jose de Sucre satellite into orbit from the Jiuquan Launch Center in the northwestern Chinese province of Gansu. https://www.scmp.com/news/china/diplomacy/article/3104900/china-boosts-its-soft-power-africa-while-launching-african quote:China boosts its soft power in Africa while launching African space ambitions
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The space race and the almost of the entirety of NASA's budget was about producing dual-purpose tech that could be used by the military-industry complex and as strategic platforms over the Soviets, there is a reason our ambitions for space exploration for "some reason" more or less vanished in the mid-1990s. (Space Station freedom? Remember the X-33 shuttle?) As the poster above me mentioned, I support funding for space explorations ...only by non-Western as a way to limit the United States' strategic advantage. Space X was just a way to squeeze more profits out of the system by privatizing parts of it, and it took them 15 years to get something to compete with the Soyuz.
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Admiral Bosch posted:then you have completely good and wholesome programs like Pioneer, Voyager, and Hubble. they harmed nothing and represent the best of us as a species, and in fact could have been even better if it hadn't been for puritan american horseshit management interference. What sort of interference?
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exmarx posted:the leftist take is that it loving sucks op, and my "ideal america" would be sunk under the ocean. We should colonize the oceans.
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Maximo Roboto posted:We should colonize the oceans. What is the thread's take on the politics of SEAQUEST DSV?
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Space is cool. I am also and maybe more interested in exploring other configurations of reality. That gets no attention nor government funding, as far as I know.
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Oolb posted:Space is cool. I am also and maybe more interested in exploring other configurations of reality. That gets no attention nor government funding, as far as I know. Agreed, I want my lsd ration
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Capital has zero incentive or capacity to get out of the gravity well. it'll only happen with a society that can direct surplus into effective long term use-value investments. no ads in space!
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Flesh Forge posted:here's a cynical leftist's take on capitalist, privatized space exploration, a fresh casual masterpiece by Eli Valley lol tesla is a religion and musk is not at all smart enough to know when to declare independence or smart enough to know there won't be a colony i guess
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exmarx posted:interesting how all the pro-space posts in here are saying soy face stuff like "cool and good", arguing that n.a.s.a. has ever been a force for good, etc. no one wants to comment on my "Moon falls apart onto Earth because we drill it apart for luxury condos" post I'm hopeful for space, but also the Kessler thing because we're garbage leaving everywhere
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Victory Position posted:no one wants to comment on my "Moon falls apart onto Earth because we drill it apart for luxury condos" post Look at how Americans have treated just the piece of earth that they live in. Now ask yourselves how well they're going to take care of a place that no one lives in.
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Fluoride Jones posted:Look at how Americans have treated just the piece of earth that they live in. Now ask yourselves how well they're going to take care of a place that no one lives in. no one? the recent drive towards private space exploration is being fueled by the mars rover's discovery of palestinians on mars
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Ideally, space travel is cool and can let us acquire so many materials that we can truly create a post-scarcity society. Realistically, it means a few corporations are going to enact something akin to slavery in space to become even more insanely rich
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splifyphus posted:Capital has zero incentive or capacity to get out of the gravity well. it'll only happen with a society that can direct surplus into effective long term use-value investments. no ads in space! Musk being a 1980s 14-year-old in the body of a balding Boer aside, capital doesn't want space to go there themselves, at least not to stay. What they do want is to send the rest of us there, fully perfecting the colonial system with a playground metropole for the haves supplied with all the luxuries of an industrial economy but with the actual extractive and manufacturing industries, and the inconveniently well-organized proles required to run them, eternally downwind and atomized into specialized city-states which can be crushed at will by simply controlling the trade between them.
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capitalists loving love the idea of space because it is a place in which infinite growth is possible and there is always more unclaimed territory or resources to be enclosed as private property and monetized. it's a place where number can go up forever. 'the final frontier' - a place where the heroic myth of Westward expansion can be reenacted perpetually. the thing about the 'final frontier' is that the frontier was loving miserable and the spread of 'civilization' in the American west was fueled by monstrous evil committed by sadistically cruel men who became wealthy and powerful in direct proportion to their capacity for cruelty. so long as capitalism exists, and so long as it is capitalists leading humanity into space, any serious attempts at human settlement of space will be no different. all the fruits of human knowledge and ingenuity and inspiration will be turned to developing more efficient methods to grind us into dust. they will create new torments and miseries, new hells that make the worst places on Earth look like paradises in comparison, and once they are made they will be extremely difficult to un-make. the thought that we might go to space legitimately terrifies me. it's a doomsday scenario - the final, absolute end of hope. fortunately it isn't going to happen.
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The thing that always makes my lib friends rethink Musk is when I point out that in both the paypal and the tesla cases, he bought the right to be listed as founder. In any case, has anyone posted this yet? 
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