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Jan 13, 2009

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Still surprising Dems hyped up VP pick & it didn’t leak & actually delivered in firing up the base. Like a secret royal rumble entrant being hyped & it’s Edge instead of a Doink.

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Yeah it’s wild how upbeat people are, can’t believe the plan was Biden, & Harris was an afterthought. Joe’s early debate idea was spectacularly good.

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Mappo posted:

It's also weird that the republican's don't have effective attack lines for Harris by now. They had 4 years, they knew she was at least going to be the VP pick. They should have at least had something to throw at her for the VP debate. But no, they went all in on "Biden old" and now they are scrambling to find something. I am starting to think they are not running a competent campaign.

True, wonder if it was because Biden was in such a poor state & Harris wasn’t a major player that they didn’t feel the need to bother?

Something I’m wondering will play a big factor is trump seizing then gutting the RNC to staff it with cronies based on loyalty rather than competence. Hoping will lead to mismanagement of donors, deadlines, or media. Guessing with the large amount of cash coming in & lack of national oversight a lot more money than usual is gonna be quietly disappearing.

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Mappo posted:

Also from the TP training.


lol could see that approach maybe being effective for one small campaign but nationwide that’s a terrible idea.

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Hopefully! Still maybe a 1 in 10 chance trump is imprisoned/flees to Russia/medically incapacitated/rage quits & is not a serious candidate for final month.

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Terrifying Effigies posted:

Re: Bozeman, believe the Sturgis Motorcycle Rally is happening right now so maybe he wants to hang out with his beautiful tough guy bikers.

That or commemorate the 4th anniversary of the Sturgis Superspreader Event.

Lol it wasn’t in their top 50 reasons for collapse but was fun how WCW kept having ill advised PPVs at Sturgis despite not being able to charge for attendance & how drunken bikers weren’t the best crowd.

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OddObserver posted:

As much as I despite those elements of media culture, Biden not massaging their egos was a major proboem for him in practice.

Didn’t he have a bad relationship with house democrats? I think i saw something about how he rarely visited them or spoke directly with their leadership, so when withdrawal calls came in they were stronger from the house than the senate.

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Lol not the right response at all, probably could have called in for a softball interview & gotten him back on board for access alone. But sure start a fight why not.

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Stultus Maximus posted:

Is Politico actually going to publish any of the info or are they going to :decorum: their way out?

Guessing the hackers could send it elsewhere if they didn’t. Not like it’s politico’s original research.

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Madurai posted:

There's also the theory that the leak was engineered from inside the Trump campaign to try to provide a credible means of jettisoning Vance.

It was also sent to the WP, so I think if :decorum: is the only holdup, it won't outlast the pressure to be the first off the line with it.

Is there any serious chatter about Vance being dropped? I’ve only seen it rumored here, feels like trump is the much bigger problem and while Vance isn’t a big help he’s out there campaigning & making an effort, and most of the most damaging stuff like having been anti trump was known a long time ago.

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CBJSprague24 posted:

Obviously, there's no precedent for a candidate change 4 months from the election, but is there anything similar to this in terms of a candidate who was seemingly ragdolling their opponent at this stage in a game? I've seen several pundits suggest that, as long as the Democrats keep their foot on the gas, the election could be a runaway for Harris.

While it seems to be going well hope they celebrate the polls by continuing to campaign nonstop & not for a second think it is in the bag, or get into running up the score mentality. Situation is drastically different than it was a month ago & could turn quick. Although hopefully the jerk team self destructs and stops campaigning in early October as they collapse into infighting.

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One development I wouldn’t have thought possible a month ago is polls showing the democrat nominee having a more positive than negative approval rating. With Biden cracking 40% would have been a reason to pop champagne but Harris could get above 50% which holy cow.

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Natty Ninefingers posted:

I guess they are trying as hard as possible to avoid a diamond joe situation.

The onion nowadays feels like one freelancer with an OpenAI account. At least their archives are still up.

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LA Times reporting Harris 7pts more popular in CA than Biden was, outpolling trump 59% to 34%. Compared to Biden she jumped 23% among young folk and 16% among Black voters. Definitely a good sign.

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facialimpediment posted:

I was wrong here, NYT's liveblog said Donnie used the venue with 2000 people. And yet, it wasn't the most embarrassing crowd they got:

https://x.com/dougblandry/status/1823927592216388065?t=gkdR-FFHyDDpVKL7ngCyog&s=19

Lol secret service outnumbering the crowd

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stealie72 posted:

And another second demotivating people who aren't already lost causes who want to hear about how he's going to lower the cost of groceries.

That’s true, if he stayed on message about grocery & housing prices (I know those are mostly outside Biden’s control & high interest rates were needed) could make inroads, especially if he kept focus on what things cost in 2016 compared to now. I know he wouldn’t fix anything but it could have appeal especially if he promised another stimulus payment to every American.

Thankfully seems more focused on wishing Biden would return, lol.

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facialimpediment posted:

The rift will be there, no need to create it. Donnie's about to clusterfuck his entire campaign organization.

https://x.com/hugolowell/status/1824106741703004253?t=AHVCTWL_No7lc_HHwzOM0w&s=19

https://x.com/tarapalmeri/status/1824103670402699339?t=Wbm-ZUniCZooknhVJpt08w&s=19

This is a who's who of no-poo poo gropers and weird memers and they're all going to be fighting for influences and trying to get their ideas through. Campaigns are a mess in the best of times and Donnie just invited a whole bunch of weirdos and old friends to come poo poo on the floor.

Assuming there will be a clear hierarchy & division of responsibilities & no one will treat this as a way to write themselves seven figure consulting checks while forgetting to do ad buys, lol.

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Oh yeah a few years back when they had those Georgia senate races I believe every available second of airtime was bought so campaigns began inundating towns in neighboring states hoping to get visitors or commuters from Georgia. Guessing that trend will continue.

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boop the snoot posted:

Obama definitely could’ve made a living in any profession that requires public speaking, probably even stand up. Dude is the most charismatic public speaking president of my lifetime (born in 87) and I don’t think it’s even close?

Yeah rankings for that group would probably be Obama, Reagan, then Clinton. I don’t care for Reagan but he did have excellent stage presence & speech ability, especially in his prime.

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boop the snoot posted:

When did Clooney become such a political powerhouse? Does he just donate a shitton or is it the power of handsome?

So, so handsome…

His editorial did have an impact, he (respectfully) noted he’d known Biden for sometime & how backstage he was noticeably less alert & capable in previous years. Other voices including Congress members would say the same in the subsequent days & Biden was never able to shake that off. Probably because he really is in on a downward trend.

Super glad he stepped aside, wonder how many more stories are gonna pop up about his staff needing to stage manage his appearances & schedule, like how late Reagan had a lot of problems while still in office.

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Proud Christian Mom posted:

oh Biden was absolutely delusional. his staff? they knew he was going to get generationally wrecked but you can't get fired in this business for being bad at it.

delusional would be the people with absolutely no vested interest still carrying water for Biden a month and a half ago when it was clear for two loving years the guy was spent and his poll numbers were a disaster waiting to happen. you can find plenty of em in this thread still offering up election advice.

During last WA governor race the democrat incumbent was far ahead in every poll & won with a good margin, & GOP had run a scrub candidate rather than one of the well known guys when it’s a vaguely competitive year. He also wasn’t terribly bright & when he visited an island where a buddy works, my friend chatted with him out of curiosity & the guy genuinely seemed to think polls were showing him ahead. Buddy noted the large group of advisors accompanying him may have been feeding him whatever he wanted to hear, and whoever rented them the helicopter that got them there was happy to take their money.

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lol Colorado gop falling into infighting and just voted out their chairman https://www.cpr.org/2024/08/24/gop-chair-dave-williams-ousted-dismisses-illegitimate-republican-meeting/

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orange juche posted:

The fact that NC is even in play is real bad for the GOP lol

Yeah nice to the signs going that way. Post debate Biden was getting complaints from usually safe spots like NM Senate seat how he was such a drag it had shifted to only slight Dem advantage, but with him gone it’s far more secure.

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A sane campaign (other than not holding a photo op at Arlington) would have just apologized & if asked admitted fault & it would have been out of the news cycle in a day or two. Fortunately they are choosing to double down & escalate pointlessly, cmon trump start a feud with the Army.

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lol vibes of Quayle missing an opportunity to go whoops, you’re right about the spelling my bad, and have it forgotten in a day.

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Remember when a Florida state senator wanted to give trump $5 million from taxpayers to cover his legal bills but DeSantis said no? https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/jan/23/desantis-florida-veto-trump-legal-bill

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Kinda hoping trump doesn’t get jail time pre-election, he’s not doing well & that would be a big narrative switch. Nonstop media coverage of what prison it will be, his rants against NYC, probably more endless appeals, & wouldn’t say that sort of free attention has been harmful to his candidacies. Better to have him on probation & hopefully get him jailed post election for one of the big cases.

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I'm pretty ok with it, trump has been flailing for several weeks and seems direction less while Harris keeps hitting swing states and doing alright. I'm concerned an unexpected shift in the narrative back to trump where he could claim victimhood and dominate the headlines for weeks would be worth the risk. I mean no way he would go to jail pre-election but endless appeals and false countdowns would get a lot of eyeballs and make it harder for Harris to fire up her base. Kinda like if a starting quarterback has thrown three picks before halftime and is pushing his coach on the sideline. You hope he keeps it up and doesn't put in a bright new rookie with something to prove.

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lol cmon trump you ain’t gonna let him get away with that, are you? Starting a feud with Dubya’s White House was not on my bingo card but I’ll take it.

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Nystral posted:

Keep asking questions here, everyone has been more than helpful explaining things whenever I’ve asked a question. IMO GIP is fairly even keeled and not prone to panic, but we’re not as well versed in random leftist ideas and how they’re being viewed by the online community.

Oh yeah GIP is excellent for being a reliable source of info. It’s like BWM or many of the book recommendation threads, well moderated good info welcoming to well intentioned newcomers.

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(Checks instagram) whoa it’s real

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M_Gargantua posted:

Looking forward to vice president Swift in 2032.

Why would she possibly want that job? Going from high profile entertainer living in luxury to slogging through a primary to then be in an extremely stressful role notorious for aging people fast.

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CBJSprague24 posted:

e2- Another celebrity* endorsement for Kamala:
https://x.com/RickSteves/status/1834390853701497229

He’s a good guy, during pandemic kept paying his travel agency employees even with little to do. Was also fun during 2000s watching public access weed legalization guys & most were barely coherent then Steves would show up clean cut fresh from PBS & helped give the effort a boost.

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CBJSprague24 posted:

Is it me, or is there less vigor from the right when it comes to this election?

2020 seemed like it was a truck or boat parade, or "I love my big orange gorilla and want to wear all my MAGA poo poo"/MAGA pride rally every week, whereas this feels more :effort:.

Maybe? Hopefully? Such an unpredictable election risky to jump to conclusions but yeah they do seem more adrift. Seems like it did really mess up trump that Biden left the race & his campaign is having trouble pivoting & guessing he barely cared about Harris beforehand so has trouble retaining interest.

Also their institutional rot may be catching up with them as state parties starved for funds & overrun by lovely trump wannabes who have his abrasiveness but not speaking skill or resources so just leads to infighting.

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The whole don’t bear false witness commandment doesn’t apply if ignoring it seems right in the moment? Hope they sue him for slander.

With the loomer nonsense, I have a theory these jerks can inflict far more damage on themselves in a shorter period of time in far more ridiculous ways than the courts could hope to do in months, plus it’s not framed as external persecution.

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facialimpediment posted:

It's also possible that he's just sucking so badly as a candidate and Republicans are wishcasting the One Big Scandal to get him to drop out and potentially save Trump / others.

Guessing that’s it, governor race out of reach but important EC votes present. If gov candidate were up five points he’d 100% get a pass.

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Guessing now that CNN published his old username tied to the posts it’s off to the races for Reddit detectives to find somehow even worse stuff he’d been posting elsewhere.

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That event being sponsored by the Adelson family that has given well over nine figures to get trump elected and made their fortune with casinos helps make the argument a social harm of gambling is how it funnels infinite money to the worst people to allow them to try to do harm on the largest scale possible.

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Knowing what extreme measures trump took in 2020 including our first non-peaceful transfer of power when he wasn’t facing likely jail time upon leaving office, not looking forward to what tries when a loss does likely mean losing being able to live in luxury the remainder of his days.

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Have wondered what would happen if a Deep South state like Alabama or Mississippi had enough unlikely events happen where the state government was set to become majority Black democrats. Guessing whatever steps they could think of to cling to power including abolishing the legislature/governorship or trying to merge with a neighboring state, anything to prevent the last several decades of records from being closely reviewed.

They had that on a smaller scale in Arizona when new Democrat governor found while they may have laws on the books about large developments needing adequate water sourcing they weren’t being enforced so many projects got canceled.

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