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Panzeh
Nov 27, 2006

"..The high ground"
There's something to be said for the notion that the new right folks are certainly animated mostly by cultural things- their newfangled willingness to buck neoliberalism is incredibly vague and flexible, which makes them fairly useful for institutional parties, who I think are cottoning on to this tendency. I also think there's something to be said that the average person confuses supposedly incongruent opinions with moderation, as especially in 2016, people really kind of projected a sense of moderation onto trump in the US presidential election since his views were incoherent.

I think it will be tricky for any leftist, imo, to try to navigate this kind of politics because working class solidarity does not stop with citizenship and certainly shouldn't stop with it, so we're always going to be at a disadvantage here. Socialism is not a One Weird Trick that makes all other political factors irrelevant.

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Panzeh
Nov 27, 2006

"..The high ground"

V. Illych L. posted:

i do tend to think that the emphasis on masculinity of workplaces during the old left's reign is somewhat anglocentric. certainly the social democratic tendencies of midcentury scandinavia weren't culturally very radical, but issues like militarism were seriously big deals in 1920-30s norway - at the same time, typographers and matchmakeresses were big groups of very heavily mobilised female workers

it's hard to find reliable demographic data from norway in this period, but i always look somewhat askance at the idea of burly men being the necessary cultural foundation of labour solidarity and militancy of the sort you had back in the day

yeah, i agree with this- even historically we tend to assume the victorian middle class housewife is how every woman lived before ~feminism~ when in reality women made up a significant chunk of both the industrial and agricultural labor force, and they did play a role in labor organization, even in places like the USA

but then, i think a lot of the people who fancy the exact same alliances as the early 20th century as a way to victory have an intensely romantic version of history

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