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zoux
Apr 28, 2006

I think they stand by their Decision Desk, for whatever reason Murdoch has some kind of respect for an independent service like that, if not he'd've made Rasmussen the official Fox News pollster years ago. Also, they were actually correct in the end. I do not doubt whatsoever that the viewership was enraged by it, but the AZ call was just the beginning. They really haven't been giving the admin much leash with their increasingly ridiculous voter fraud claims, at least relative to their usual sycophancy. This culminated with Tucker Himself saying that Sidney Powell was full of poo poo last week, which led to him being pizzagated by online nutjobs.

This isn't universal across the shows, Lou Dobbs for example seems to actually believe the fraud claims and Pirro is still angling for that AG job, but news and hosts (as far as I've seen from viral clips anyway, I will never watch a second of Fox News irl) seem to be skeptical of voter fraud claims and pundits are trying to do that audience-of-one thing where they try to gently wheedle Trump into accepting reality.

As for what happens - in two months they'll go right back to bashing the everliving hell out of the socialist communist fascist Biden and I think they'll regain a lot of their audience. Whatever the Trump news network ends up being, it's own thing or grafted on OANN/Newsmax, it will still be run by a bunch of chiseling, rat-fink charlatans who are utterly incompetent. People think "Trump knows TV" but Trump didn't have a drat thing to do with his success on TV that was all Mark Burnett. I'm skeptical that Fox News is going to be supplanted by MAGA news. They may even win Trump back because obsequious flattery actually works on him and they can pivot right back to "Biden stole the election" after the inauguration and everyone isn't so antsy about constitutional crises.

zoux fucked around with this message at 18:47 on Nov 23, 2020

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zoux
Apr 28, 2006

Also people don't go to Fox just to hear the lies they want to hear, they go to Fox to hear Tucker Carlson, Laura Ingraham and Dan Bongino say the lies they want to hear. Right now Newsmax has got Benny pretending to be Tucker Carlson.

https://twitter.com/newsmax/status/1330332248906866693

He's a pathological plagiarist. Anyway, they aren't going to be able to build the kind of pundit stable Fox has, they won't have the money to pay talent and if Fox is already having trouble selling ads because of controversy - on the highest rated cable shows in those timeslots - how is loving Newsmax going to sell ads for Boris Epshteyn's MAGA Mania hour when they have 1/100th the market share?

Fox News is a blue ribbon brand with international reach and massive synergy across other Murdoch-owned platforms in every English-speaking company in the world delivering a top of the line product on par in terms of polish with all the other cable news outlets, you just can't replicate it by fiat.

zoux
Apr 28, 2006

I'm bad on fiscal policy so: Is Yellen the "make everyone happy" pick and how come, and what's the difference between her and Brainard, who seems to be more favored by the progressive wing? I understand the political issues around confirmation and replacing a Fed chair, I'm more interested in the policy goals and differences

zoux
Apr 28, 2006

https://twitter.com/TimAlberta/status/1330985841880084480

That's Michigan sorted. Rob Portman became the first Senator actually facing re-election (in OH in 22) to call for the transition to begin. Is this the week when it falls apart?

zoux
Apr 28, 2006

https://twitter.com/Redistrict/status/1331297711539298309

*extremely Steve Kornacki from Friday of election week voice* Well we just don't know exactly how those military and overseas votes are gonna come in, so you have to live in Probability Hell for another day.

https://twitter.com/daveweigel/status/1331299183379296258

Which makes sense, if you're abroad it must be really embarrassing to see this stuff happen and have your friends and colleauges constantly asking you "Boy, your country sure is a piece of poo poo right now huh". As far as military goes, I think officers are overwhelmingly the majority of voters, and they sure as hell don't like Trump. That probably goes triple for members of the diplomatic corps. These are people who pride themselves in lifelong, bipartisan, apolitical civil service and imagine working in Lichtenstein for 25 years and knowing all the diplomatic and social ins and outs and all of a sudden some Christian book store owner has been appointed your boss and now wants to know if the embassy can dig up any dirt on Hunter Biden.

zoux
Apr 28, 2006

Honestly, one of the things that's been surprising over this whole business is just how precise and transparent the voting counting process is. (At least in states with decent transparency laws, there are 8 states still that don't require a paper record of electronic voting and good thing none of them are swing states - GA and PA were among them in 2016 before statutory changes)

Also, despite the fact that this has been the most scrutinized election in modern history, it will become an article of faith among conservatives that this election was "fishy". They may not go so far as to think a million votes got changed or whatever but ten years from now you'll ask your racist aunt some question at Thanksgiving and she'll spin some tale about how "you know they can make the vote whatever they want, remember when they cheated Trump" and you'll wonder whether you should even bother. Save your breath.

e:

Look, polls!
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1331404288149643264

zoux fucked around with this message at 02:15 on Nov 25, 2020

zoux
Apr 28, 2006

It would probably be instructive to see who else got outrun by Biden by double digits. Ilhan Omar is also the “scariest” pol for Republicans and she's portrayed as the monster under the bed by Fox News in a way other progressive candidate aren’t. I'd have to assume the outside money poured into her district and the nationalization of her campaign by right wing media had some effect on the margin there.

E: also Omar notably conducted normal door-to-door canvassing field ops in her district. Lack of that is being attributed to Dem underperformance downticket. I don’t know if that means anything, but it's another variable. (Mostly I'm interested in canvassing in general because it seems nuts to me that strangers showing up to your door to talk about politics is effective - but apparently it's real effective)

zoux fucked around with this message at 15:29 on Nov 25, 2020

zoux
Apr 28, 2006

We really need the presidential vote by district for a lot of takes we want to have, the best I can find is here but I guess they are waiting for absolutely official results because it's pretty sparse. MN-05 isn't even in there for example.



Spanberger flipped and then held an R+10 district, what the hell was she whining about. Cantor's district even! (those numbers are pres. R/D for 20, 16, 12)

zoux fucked around with this message at 18:43 on Nov 25, 2020

zoux
Apr 28, 2006

It seems to me that if Democrats want to win back the working class they need to stop worrying about moderating their social issue stances and start focusing on building back organized labor. I mean, obviously that's not going to happen under the leadership of the gentlelady from Silicon Valley or the gentleman from Wall Street, but I think progressives would be well served by monomaniacal focus on labor issues, removing barriers to collective bargaining and other laws preventing organization, as well as a national effort to rebuild those expansive unions. We talk about "being in front of these voters every day, engaging them on issues they care about, coming from people they trust", I mean, back in the day that was your union rep, right?

I'm not an expert, or even really that conversant, on issues of labor and organizing, I don't know how globalization, the shift to a service economy, and other issues complicate the idea of the old stalwart Democratic Union bloc. And even if you somehow fought through the corporate wing of the Democratic party to become a labor-prioritizing party - then you'd run face first into the GOP and the 6-3 Roberts court. I can't even begin to see how we get there from here, but I'd be interested in hearing ideas from people more informed than me about the place of organized labor in the progressive movement.

zoux
Apr 28, 2006

https://twitter.com/ZoeTillman/status/1332378809660809225

The campaign has to pay for the state's court costs lol.

What are the options for SCOTUS here? (I'm just curious about the technical legal process, I'm not like "oh god will they reverse this" at all)

I kind of feel like this case is the material avatar of the "Trump will win because of courts somehow" meme that's keeping hope alive among the dead enders, so I'd assume a final disposition on the issue by SCOTUS would pretty much bring it all crashing down. Trump is going to straight up call out his three picks by name and say they betrayed him or whatever and maybe even explicitly state he expected some quid pro quo on this! Should be fun!

zoux
Apr 28, 2006

https://mobile.twitter.com/DJJudd/status/1332709104654168065

This whole thread is indicative of the razor's edge the GOP is trying to walk right now. I'm sure they'll easily wriggle their way out, but wouldn’t it be nice if they faced some electoral consequences for their decades long crusade to delegitimize the electoral process. Once the electors vote on 12/15 there's zero incentive for Trump to keep up the kayfaybe and he's definitely the type to take his own team down with him as revenge for insufficient loyalty.

https://twitter.com/ryanobles/status/1332707529013473280

zoux fucked around with this message at 16:59 on Nov 28, 2020

zoux
Apr 28, 2006

Oh yeah it's both R's by +5 for sure but I didn't wanna doompost and also maybe once they will reap what they sow. Maybe just one time.

Also, Trump supporters aren't necessarily Republicans. They may vote straight R tickets but they also didn't show up in '18. Of course, Democrats don't show up in runoffs and Trump being off the ballot cuts that way too, anti-partisanship feelings probably aren't remotely as high for Loeffler and Purdue than they are for the big guy.

https://twitter.com/DJJudd/status/1332727859614535680
The guy trying to ask the first question sounds like a 4 year old telling you about how his toy got taken by another boy

zoux fucked around with this message at 17:57 on Nov 28, 2020

zoux
Apr 28, 2006

https://mobile.twitter.com/williamjordann/status/1333401584999526401

I've been curious to see how this putsch nonsense would affect his approval and it's about what I expected. This is why I think Trump is going to be a hindrance rather than a help to the GOP going forward. He's about to head to Georgia and give a huge rally that's going to become a stream-of-consciousness meditation on every election theft conspiracy that's been scrambled into his mind, he's not going mention Loeffler or Purdue once and instead go after Raffensperger and now Kemp for cheating him out of a state. I think Trump is signaling his base fairly clearly how important he thinks the GA Senate race is. Why should he be the only Republican to suffer?

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1333410418119864320

I don’t think this is going to get better. The rift is going to depend on the outcomes of the Senate races - if they lose both and institutional Republicans blame Trump it's going to be all out civil war in that party. But regardless of what happens on January 5, Trump is going to act the same: never stop whining about getting cheated and attacking Republicans for not cheating back. Then you have to consider all the insane stuff we're going to learn about from all the backstabbing tell-alls, the congressional investigations and court cases. I think his approval rating will approach the low 30's within a year. All that to say, I don’t see him running in '24.

zoux fucked around with this message at 16:22 on Nov 30, 2020

zoux
Apr 28, 2006

National polling has been fairly good, Biden's at +4 right now and rising, the final national aggregate was what, +7? It was dead on in ‘16.

zoux
Apr 28, 2006

I don't know what Mitch is gonna do, but it's widely thought, and Obama himself even says this in his book, congressional Republicans could get away with (and were maybe even forced to) engaging in complete obstructionism because every win Obama got sent their racist voter base into paroxysms of rage. I think we don't realize how Trump-style Republicans loving hate Obama, they hated him like we hate Trump. I also feel like knowing that dynamic, Obama erred on the side of compromise, hoping he could bring center Republicans on board but you put the Iron Hand of McConnel into the glove of Bone-deep racism and I think that explains a lot of why the Obama admin accomplished so little, and why the GOP was so emboldened to fight him. Also the 2010 midterms sent a strong message to Republicans in Washington as to where the base stood on Obama.

I just don't think they'll be able to get it up for 100% total obstruction vs Standard Old White Moderate President like they were for the black, foreign-born, secret Muslim sleeper agent Obungler.

zoux
Apr 28, 2006

Grouchio posted:

Then what about Harris if she took office this decade?

Who knows? I don't think these anti-Obama racists were mostly like "Grrr, I sure hate Obama because I've rationally considered the merits of and believe in white supremacy" I think this stuff is deeply ingrained and subconscious - I think a lot of it is just having an emotional negative reaction to seeing and hearing a well-educated, intelligent and charismatic black man. I don't think they consciously framed it as a hierarchy thing either, where they realized that this was a black man placed in a position of power above them, but I believe they felt like that and resented it even if they don't know why. I don't think that non-college white men feel as threatened by black women as they do black men.

This is all broad generalizing and chud whispering of course and may not stand up to empirical scrutiny, but I think we over-ascribe conscious, directed motivation in voter behavior when it's driven by ingrained cultural and social pressures the voters may not even be aware of. There is no question that there are a lot of racists in America, but very, very few people would describe themselves as racist.

Aruan posted:

I think the problem with approval ratings is that they're not a good gauge of electoral choice. Who cares if Trump is at 40% of 42% if he gets 48% of votes.

Also not all survey respondents are brain-dead, they get what "approval rating" means - it's partisan signaling.

zoux fucked around with this message at 21:50 on Nov 30, 2020

zoux
Apr 28, 2006

goethe.cx posted:

One thing I was surprised by is how little attention Harris got from chuds during the campaign. It seems like "biden is 78 and a scary black woman will be his VP" would have gotten more traction, but I hardly saw it at all

There were a couple of weeks where the Trump campaign tried that angle but Kamala Harris just isn't that scary and the GOP opinion creating machine hasn't had enough time to turn her into an Evil Socialist Witch. Also perhaps they were defeated online by the Khive, and online is where all these crazy candidate urban legends come from.

zoux
Apr 28, 2006

FCKGW posted:

Yeah I saw a bunch of "Biden is going to resign the day after his inauguration and hand over the country to the commiefornia socialist" before the election but I don't think it gained too much traction

It was premised on the idea that Biden had dementia, so once the debates happened and that was obviously not the case, that line of attack collapsed.

zoux
Apr 28, 2006

Murkowski and Collins, at least, are going to vote to approve cabinet members. Maybe not Neera Tanden (but right now the Online Conventional Wisdom is that because Biden has so far stayed far away from Clinton People, Tanden is basically a decoy to draw fire, which is a bit too Machiavellian for my tastes but would be funny). Romney will probably vote for most of them as well. So I don't see Mitch forcing his members to vote to lose 49-51 over and over for no reason.

zoux fucked around with this message at 15:59 on Dec 1, 2020

zoux
Apr 28, 2006

Sodomy Hussein posted:

The Georgia campaign for what amounts to control of the entire nation is currently turning on whether Trump will give up his self-serving fraudulent election narrative, which is damaging to GOP turnout, since if all elections are fake, then why vote? It's becoming abundantly clear that many voters feel loyalty to Trump, not to the GOP, which in their minds they conflate with the devious deep state.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/12/01/georgia-republicans-beg-trump-release-them-his-prison-lies/

https://twitter.com/CursedLavaLamp/status/1333597793739534338

At this point I'm not sure anyone understands the thinking of die-hard Trump loyalists.

.The rumor is that those billboards are coming from a Dem PAC. But it's something the Loeffler/Purdue campaigns are worried about.


https://twitter.com/MadelainePisani/status/1333767541987143680

quote:

“You can’t say the system is rigged but elect these two senators,” said Eric Johnson, a campaign adviser to Kelly Loeffler, one of the G.O.P. Senate candidates, and a former Republican leader of the Georgia Senate. “At some point he either drops it or he says I want everybody to vote and get their friends to vote so that the margins are so large that they can’t steal it.”

It seems obvious that someone cannot simultaneously believe that elections are corrupt and effortlessly stolen by Democrats, but also think it's fine to vote in an election 2 months later, but conservatives have no problem holding multiple contradictory positions at once - and this may in fact be one of the defining traits that leads someone into being either left or right

quote:

James Sublett, 67, voted for Mr. Trump this year and believes the president’s unfounded claims that Democrats “stole the election.”

“The Democrats have cheated, they have dead people vote, they manufactured votes,” said Mr. Sublett, a retired real estate broker.

Still, he said it was important to vote in the Georgia runoffs.

“If we don’t get those Republican seats, this country is turning into socialism and communism 101,” Mr. Sublett said.

Learning the difference between socialism and communism is something you'd expect out of an entry level political course, though.

zoux
Apr 28, 2006



Newt Gingrich really did destroy the permanent House majority. Imagine what it felt like to be a Republican that year (hopefully we'll get to feel the same if the worm turns in our lifetime. Suuuure thought it was gonna be this year though) Also interesting that this year is the only year where majority share is commensurate with vote share. What accounts for the discrepancy between majority and vote share in the post-Watergate midterms? Democratic gerrymandering?

https://twitter.com/williamjordann/status/1333923261999149061

It's clear that Trump juiced turnout for both parties down ballot.

zoux fucked around with this message at 01:13 on Dec 2, 2020

zoux
Apr 28, 2006

https://mobile.twitter.com/Taniel/status/1333998241201999872

There's obviously a difference in the caliber of the races here but also “Democrats don’t turn out for runoffs” is kind of an iron law of politics...

If I say the Rs win by 3 in January, would you take the over or under? Also, do you think there will be much of a difference in the vote totals and share between the two races? Myself, I do not, obviously .

zoux
Apr 28, 2006

I thought all congressional districts were about the same population

zoux
Apr 28, 2006

Shammypants posted:

Yet we saw demographic destiny and 'turnout favors dems' fall this year as well.

Yeah every election I find I know less and less about politics. Excited to see which of my current preconceptions are wrong on January 5!

https://twitter.com/baseballot/status/1334142044483280901

The conclusion to this article seems correct

quote:

In seeking to explain why Biden racked up a gaudy electoral-vote total but Democrats performed poorly in the Senate and House, there have been all sorts of theories — one common one being that voters, anticipating a Biden win, preemptively voted Republican for Congress to give Biden some checks and balances. But as we have seen, there just isn’t much evidence for that. The vast majority of voters voted the same way for president and Congress, and while there were undoubtedly some people who split their tickets between Biden and congressional Republicans, there were also some who split their tickets between Trump and congressional Democrats.

A better take is that Democrats “performed poorly” in the Senate and House simply compared with pre-election expectations. But they still won more House seats than Republicans did, and arguably, the main reason they didn’t do better in the Senate is because of the chamber’s Republican bias. In reality, Democrats performed about the same in all three races, but the structures through which those results were filtered — the Electoral College, the Senate seats that happened to be up and a House map biased toward Republicans — produced different results.

I remember people tweeting that they'd never seen a party as miserable after winning the WH as the Dems this year - and I think it 100% has to do with expectations: for a Senate majority, for a seat gain in the house, for a wide repudiation of Trump, for the GOP facing electoral consequences for their sycophantic support of an obviously monstrous and amoral man. That didn't happen, or at least not to the degree we expected or hoped it would. I think the high-level view of the electoral dynamics over the last 4 years is that the Dems massively overperformed in Trump districts in '18 and had an "artificially" large majority, and then they lost a bunch of those seats when Trump was on the ballot.

zoux
Apr 28, 2006

What're the largest and smallest ones

zoux
Apr 28, 2006

I agree that polarization and isolation of media consumption is a massive factor. I don't know if this is a scalable microcosm or an exception (I strongly supsect the former) but a June 2017 study of Twitter interactions demonstrated that there was almost no crossover between the two spheres.



We also see, repeatedly, surveys of individuals showing wildly varing perceptions of the world based on what news they consume, here's one example from an April 2020 Pew study



Of course, we know that in the media spectrum starting out dead center and heading out to the far right, Fox is probably about in the middle, if note towards the center, compared to Newsmax and OANN, and much more so than Facebook or the other medium-exposure sites commonly going viral on Facebook.

So far it's the only thing that can explain how absolutely polarized the response to Trump's covid response is, and how just about half the country lives in a world where it's great, and the other half lives in the a world where it's indisputably the worst in the world (scientists refer to this world as "the real one"), and they vote accordingly. Obviously it's more complicated than a single issue, but similar partisan gaps due to media bubbles likely exist for every political and cultural issue. I have no idea what to do about it, maybe repealing 230 so that social media dies off is actually the best plan! But I don't see how this dynamic is sustainable and it only seems to be becoming more entrenched.

zoux
Apr 28, 2006

Probably like zero of the rally-going, lock-em-up, Trump supporters have a clue what 230 is, I don't think it's a rallying cry or anything.

It's obviously a ref working angle but I don't know why they're dissatisfied with social media given that it's cemented their base into believing whatever they want them to. Either Trump is really that mad about people making fun of him on Twitter (possible) or by getting rid of 230 it will help him start his TV channel or media company in a few months. The Ted Cruzes and Josh Hawleys just like whining about mods, it often strikes me how similar congressional hearings on social media are to QCS thread slap fights.

All that to say: I don't know what the exact sinister ulterior motive certain portions of the conservative online movement have with 230 besides they get banned on twitter for saying death threats and horrible racism. It may just be that. I don't know that 230 has anything to do with that, but they think it does.

https://twitter.com/kkondik/status/1334508863576551425


Also seems like the good people of Georgia aren't buying what the Trump campaign is selling, which is probably good news if you're a republican because what they're selling right now is "don't vote in the runoffs". Be interesting to see what the big boy himself says on Saturday.
https://twitter.com/daveweigel/status/1334509428549312512

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zoux
Apr 28, 2006

I personally think the dividing line is "were you established in the workforce when 9/11 happened" so there's a little room to fudge on exact age. But when I went into college the job market was booming and everyone was like "if you got a college degree, man you will get a job so easily and be set for life" and four years later after the dotcom bubble burst and 9/11 happened, well y'all know what it's been like since then. (Also I don't wanna be in generation x ) All that to say if you were 19 when 9/11 happened and had a well-paying, blue-collar job you probably had a much different experience with your career than someone who was 20 or 21 and still in college when it happened.

zoux
Apr 28, 2006

NY Nate Sez: gently caress Polls

https://twitter.com/Nate_Cohn/status/1334523902064807937

But yeah he has a good point we just did a massive poll of actual voters less than a month ago, why would we expect to see such swings? NYT put out that story about how Perdue does 2000 stock trades a day but that's both too early to show poll effects and also completely unlikely to have any impact on the race because apparently voters don't care about anything but party and personality.

zoux
Apr 28, 2006

Bird in a Blender posted:

Well can someone post the actual numbers instead of just the difference? Like going 90% Clinton to 85% Biden could be explained by a bunch of things like motivation, or just that a whole lot of Biden supporters might have died from COVID since it hit lower income and minority areas way harder than white neighbors.

https://twitter.com/Redistrict/status/1334640073912926208

Oh you mean the raw vote percentage, uh gimme a second

Best I can do is this from Nov 4, so I don't know how much it changed but Staten Island went 61 percent Trump. Queens/Manhattan/Bronx/Brooklyn went 68/83/81/73 for Biden.

zoux fucked around with this message at 01:17 on Dec 4, 2020

zoux
Apr 28, 2006

Glass of Milk posted:

I think it's a safe bet to assume all Republican voters will always vote for the Republican, regardless of what they say.

Well it seems to work for them very well.

zoux
Apr 28, 2006

Night10194 posted:

His latest tweets have shifted to 'you had better win GA for me or they won't win either', though.

https://twitter.com/RudyGiuliani/status/1334928653889761281

I expect that at his rally Saturday, Trump is going to be a bit less subtle. He's going to get applause drunk and start saying things he thinks, and he's gonna say something like "Wow, all these Republicans won, but I didn't? How is that possible, why should your favorite president be the only one to suffer. They're not gonna want me to say this but maybe if they felt some pain in Congress they'd learn their lesson". It's going to be explicit.

Especially since the strongest argument in favor of a salty Trump voter turning out for the GA senate candidates is to prevent a Dem trifecta, which necessarily requires the admission that Trump lost the election.

https://twitter.com/daveweigel/status/1334942296341680128

Well if there's one thing the Party Who Only Has Grievances as a Platform is good at, it's getting over stuff.

zoux fucked around with this message at 20:29 on Dec 4, 2020

zoux
Apr 28, 2006

https://twitter.com/Public_Citizen/status/1334925088760627201

This is nothing less than shocking and whether or not it goes any further than this, a watershed moment in decrim history. All the states who are fighting against legalization at home are going to have a very difficult task if the Feds decrim/deschedule/legalize cannabis. I'd be interested to see how much money states get in federal aid for marijuana interdiction and law enforcement; once that carrot goes...

zoux
Apr 28, 2006

Normally I'd say you're right but it's becoming less and less controversial for conservatives as well, feeds well into their "limited government" schtick, good source of non-tax revenue (I know it will be heavily taxed but that's not the kind of taxes Republicans whine about), saves money on jails, etc. Matt Gaetz of all people was the biggest Republican supporter of this in the House

zoux
Apr 28, 2006

Discendo Vox posted:

It's been around for ages and is moving through despite/because it's DoA in the Senate. The bill's really crappy, it has zero regulatory language.

Is that what the headlines are going to say, or are they going to say "For the First Time, Congress Votes for Legalization"

zoux
Apr 28, 2006

I'd be very surprised if President Biden vetoed a decrim bill that got out of the house and a 50+1 Senate.

zoux
Apr 28, 2006

Mooseontheloose posted:

Eh, I bet there is a push by some state governments for the federal government to change its policy soon because of the complications that are happening with legalization on the state level. It maybe symbolic but its an important symbolic first step.

Here in Texas, Austin and Ft. Worth are no longer arresting for non-felony cannabis possession. The real reason is they don't want to, but they legal reason they are using is that the legislature legalized industrial hemp last session and so they would, theoretically, have to test every single weed seizure to make sure it wasn't perfectly legal hemp and they have neither the lab capacity nor the money to do that. I don't think Texas and the other red states will decrim before the feds do, once that happens, and your state is surrounded by states who have legalized - how do you keep enforcing interdiction laws? You can't keep it out of the US at tightly controlled international border checkpoints, there's no way you could do that for a state, if it's even constitutional. I can tell you anecdotally that the general quality of weed on the black market, here at least, has skyrocketed since California legalized, and pretty much everyone here gets it from there or other domestic sources. You can buy oil cartridges fairly easily here - complete in the original packaging from the state of origin.

But yes the patchwork of differing laws at the state and local levels make it even more likely that the whole country is headed towards legalization, bolstered by the fact that the laboratories of democracy that have legalized recreation use have been doing just fine, and some might say, even chilled out.

zoux
Apr 28, 2006

The military-industrial complex is bad and putting reps of the supply side of that is bad?

zoux
Apr 28, 2006

Silver2195 posted:

That's what you'd think, but apparently the people talking about Austin trying to minimize civilian casualties mean it as a criticism!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1OC5NSRW9Lw&t=96s

(Also watch the Boys it's very political)

Pick posted:

Thanks for your input!

Anyway Trek the Vote was apparently worth doing since they're doing another.

https://twitter.com/reverendwarnock/status/1336385238214303754?s=21

Stacey Abrams is a legit nerd

https://twitter.com/staceyabrams/status/1325929118488256512

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zoux
Apr 28, 2006

https://twitter.com/sahilkapur/status/1336412805822550017

It's Austin after all. I'm agnostic on who's secdef because it's never going to be someone that I agree with, that person is not Senate confirmable.

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