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Crane Fist posted:I'm whichever one means nobody is allowed to be mean to me thats cis-hetero
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we need a chat topic. IN WHAT CONTEXT IS IT APPROPRIATE TO USE RECLAIMED SLURS go go go
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honest question should i be considering myself as pansexual rather than bisexual? i feel kinda boomery asking but i had a friend who i'd fool around with (pre-covid) that identified as non-binary and i assume that's what the former covers and not the later
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My Gimmick Name posted:honest question should i be considering myself as pansexual rather than bisexual? i feel kinda boomery asking but i had a friend who i'd fool around with (pre-covid) that identified as non-binary and i assume that's what the former covers and not the later the way it goes, at least here, is to also include non-binary people (hence "pan": it incorporates the whole spectrum). However, context does wonders and that is why some people (including myself) use both to help some queer theory folks have proposed a broader utilization of panssexual in the sense of those who have no inhibition of attraction to anyone else and leaving bissexual to those who might have specifics to what degree of attraction/sexual arousal they feel in relation to their and the opposite sex: they might just feel attracted up to kissing the same sex or the opposite one, etc this is, of course, just a category proposal, nothing set in stone or w/e, so I feel it communicates better saying pan/bi
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Historically, bi and pan are equally inclusive and mean more or less the same thing. Pansexuality as a term became popularized as a contrast to the (perceived) binary of bisexuality, but bisexuality has always included people outside of the binary. In short, use whatever term you like more. I generally stick with pan for myself but the distinction is largely irrelevant to me
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T-man posted:we need a chat topic. IN WHAT CONTEXT IS IT APPROPRIATE TO USE RECLAIMED SLURS go go go whenever it triggers assholes who aren't allowed to use them
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dead gay comedy forums posted:the way it goes, at least here, is to also include non-binary people (hence "pan": it incorporates the whole spectrum). However, context does wonders and that is why some people (including myself) use both to help ty this was basically the kind of answer i was looking for Kit Walker posted:Historically, bi and pan are equally inclusive and mean more or less the same thing. Pansexuality as a term became popularized as a contrast to the (perceived) binary of bisexuality, but bisexuality has always included people outside of the binary. In short, use whatever term you like more. I generally stick with pan for myself but the distinction is largely irrelevant to me yeah this was my line of thinking on it as well. appreciate both these posts!
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T-man posted:we need a chat topic. IN WHAT CONTEXT IS IT APPROPRIATE TO USE RECLAIMED SLURS go go go I used to use them in a self-deprecating manner, but then I realized that my particular brand of self-deprecating humor was actually just perpetuating really harmful poo poo that I've internalized, and by extension, was also kind of giving other people permission to treat me badly. So I don't use reclaimed slurs much anymore, but I fully support other folks' reasons for doing so and would never advocate otherwise.
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My Gimmick Name posted:honest question should i be considering myself as pansexual rather than bisexual? i feel kinda boomery asking but i had a friend who i'd fool around with (pre-covid) that identified as non-binary and i assume that's what the former covers and not the later yeah, i identify as pan because i'm attracted to people, not genders or sex bits, whatever is there we can do something fun with if things progress to that development bisexual i feel like has some kind of additional criteria they're attracted to, which means either some adherence to gender tropes or aesthetics, even though they may be attracted and pair with anyone. it's a valid identity that has had a lot of blood shed to create and protect so it's important to keep it incorporated. there has been tension around bisexual identity, pansexual identity, and the differences, to me all that matters is that nobody is excluded for any reason 
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Is there anything that begins with u because it would be cool of we could out QUIAA in it, like a double entendre queer or something idk Are unsexuals a thing? Like you're really into the undead maybe?
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Private Cumshoe posted:Is there anything that begins with u because it would be cool of we could out QUIAA in it, like a double entendre queer or something idk upsexuals, it's like how people "upcycle" garbage and make into housewares they gently caress goons and make them into normal people
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smarxist posted:yeah, i identify as pan because i'm attracted to people, not genders or sex bits, whatever is there we can do something fun with if things progress to that development I label myself as bi, but there aren't really any qualifications or exclusions built into that. It's more just that I've been aware of my queerness for most of my life, and "pansexual" wasn't a term that existed (or at least wasn't en vogue) when I was coming to understand my sexuality in like, 2001. I think a lot of bisexuals and pansexuals actually approach attraction in similar ways; they just have different personal relationships to those terms.
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Peanut President posted:thats cis-hetero 
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T-man posted:we need a chat topic. IN WHAT CONTEXT IS IT APPROPRIATE TO USE RECLAIMED SLURS go go go  or 
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Peanut President posted:upsexuals, it's like how people "upcycle" garbage and make into housewares they gently caress goons and make them into normal people Also has the added bonus of "nothing much, what's up with you?" when people ask what it is
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Peanut President posted:thats cis-hetero Actually I think you'll find that's the most oppressed one of all
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Crane Fist posted:Actually I think you'll find that's the most oppressed one of all https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-09gNDsPzQ
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Crane Fist posted:Actually I think you'll find that's the most oppressed one of all "bring it in boys!", a giant dick shaped gay cake is carried into the room by a bunch of your first crushes in their underwear, like Chris pontius from jackass, your 5th grade gym teacher, and deion Sanders
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More like gay-mers am I right
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smarxist posted:"bring it in boys!", a giant dick shaped gay cake is carried into the room by a bunch of your first crushes in their underwear, like Chris pontius from jackass, your 5th grade gym teacher, and deion Sanders What the gently caress. Nobody likes chris pontius. He's the worst one
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NEW TOPIC ARE ALLIES WORTH HAVING IN QUEER SPACES AND IN WHAT CASES SHOULD THEY BE DELIBERATELY EXCLUDED AAAAAAAAAH
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Crane Fist posted:Actually I think you'll find that's the most oppressed one of all not yet 
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T-man posted:NEW TOPIC ARE ALLIES WORTH HAVING IN QUEER SPACES AND IN WHAT CASES SHOULD THEY BE DELIBERATELY EXCLUDED AAAAAAAAAH i only like allies that are chill about it, like if they're flag wavers with toting queer causes as cis-het, there's something going on there that needs to be examined edit: parents of queer people being openly proud about it IS cool tho
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T-man posted:NEW TOPIC ARE ALLIES WORTH HAVING IN QUEER SPACES AND IN WHAT CASES SHOULD THEY BE DELIBERATELY EXCLUDED AAAAAAAAAH Allyship is an easy mask to wear as a closeted lgbt person, annoying overeager "allies" whose performative allyship just alienates actual people who use the space is a real problem though
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smarxist posted:like if they're flag wavers with toting queer causes as cis-het, there's something going on there that needs to be examined You what?
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Hi, bisexual lurker here. I'm been presenting casually as straight for so long I often feel like I don't belong in queer spaces, how fun! By which I mean not fun at all!
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T-man posted:NEW TOPIC ARE ALLIES WORTH HAVING IN QUEER SPACES AND IN WHAT CASES SHOULD THEY BE DELIBERATELY EXCLUDED AAAAAAAAAH Even the people that I think of as genuine allies I don't really like in explicitly queer spaces. But I also don't really like being around cishets at all in large numbers right now for any reason.
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Jocoserious posted:Hi, bisexual lurker here. im a lesbian and same, lol. i just feel completely unable to connect in that way i do wonder if its an age thing, also
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Jocoserious posted:Hi, bisexual lurker here. this used to be me until I shifted towards presenting as "what the gently caress side of the fence is this guy even on" which honestly didn't improve things much
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T-man posted:NEW TOPIC ARE ALLIES WORTH HAVING IN QUEER SPACES AND IN WHAT CASES SHOULD THEY BE DELIBERATELY EXCLUDED AAAAAAAAAH first and foremost, this might be more due to being outside anglo culture than anything else; the word "ally" and especially "allyship" annoys the gently caress out of me as a filthy communard queer for me, it is very much a consequence and collateral damage of liberal discourse overwhelming queer dialogue. I don't want "allies", I want comrades, people who have solidarity for me and I for them. This, of course, due to the aforementioned liberal pollution, which makes a lot of left-leaning but not there yet queer people jumpy, but the real gold comes from the liberals who denounce positions such as mine as excusing straight oppression and to foster solidarity and to form camaraderie, this means necessarily a new dynamic of action. An example that might demonstrate better what I mean: I worked bars back then and one of them, a strong lefty dive (still "alternative nightclub" though), had a couple of neon signs: "DON'T BE AN rear end in a top hat" and "IF YOU ARE WONDERING IF WHAT YOU ARE ABOUT TO DO WILL MAKE YOU AN rear end in a top hat, THEN IT PROBABLY WILL"; this, compounded by the fact the staff was very proportional (almost same number of women as the men); some men and women were queer and, finally, we had two transwomen as colleagues, meant that even though it was not traditionally coded or regarded as a queer space, it had that effect and was more potent even more so; exactly because it was subversive in that logic, so to speak, it ended up being a place where plenty of straight people hanged out and had fun and no trouble at all and the ones who would be bothersome would GTFO as soon as they realized that they were completely out of their element that place basically was a solidarity reactor for the LGBTQ+ cause here and truly helped bring a lot of young people to support mobilizations and hell, even though it doesn't exist anymore, the first lesbian municipal representative of my city, elected this year, was a patron and also many who voted for her were of course this is anecdotal but I hope it gives an idea of what I mean
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it's anecdotal, but it's a critical form of pushing class consciousness; not just holding a sign at a rally for a problem, but socializing with people and just being human beings enjoying each other's company in regular social relations
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Big shout out to Elliot Page. Always a pleasure to see a trans person in the news for a good reason for once, and selfishly, we could really use some more transmasc representation. Been happy about this all day.
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imagine hanging out with straight people on purpose, lol. I mean, I would if a particular person were cool enough but the types of spaces I’m likely to inhabit are full of queers. I also don’t go out of my way to meet people who aren’t, and I find I generally have a lot less in common with cis-het ppl
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DarkEuphoria posted:imagine hanging out with straight people on purpose, lol. *nods*
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I am a bi trans woman and holy poo poo am I tired of being trans today just so so so many transphobes
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DarkEuphoria posted:imagine hanging out with straight people on purpose, lol.  over here that has places like that. In god's country you're lucky to find a tavern that ain't covered in trump flags even now
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blatman posted:this used to be me until I shifted towards presenting as "what the gently caress side of the fence is this guy even on" which honestly didn't improve things much haha, well I relate going for the ambivalent (pun not intended) in terms of style and presentation actually made things better in the sense of feeling more comfortable with myself, which kinda helps in general? Just keep at it imo
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