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Mekchu
Apr 10, 2012



Previous thread is here.


December Events & Dates

December 5, 2020 - UFC on ESPN: Hermansson vs. Vettori
December 12, 2020 - UFC 256
December 19, 2020 - UFC Fight Night: Edwards vs. Chimaev

Current Champions
Men's Heavyweight Champion - Stipe Miocic(20-3)
Men's Light Heavyweight Champion - Jan Blachowicz (27-8)
Menís Middleweight Champion - Israel Adesanya (20-0)
Men's Welterweight Champion - Kamaru Usman (17-1)
Men's Lightweight Champion - Vacant
Men's Featherweight Champion - Alexander Volkanovski (22-1)
Menís Bantamweight Champion - Petr Yan (15-1)
Men's Flyweight Champion - Deiveson Figueiredo (20-1)
Women's Featherweight Champion - Amanda Nunes (20-4)
Women's Bantamweight Champion - Amanda Nunes (20-4)
Womenís Flyweight Champion - Valentina Shevchenko (20-3)
Women's Strawweight Champion - Zhang Weili (21-1)


2020 Best & Worst of MMA Nominations

Donít forget to nominate things from 2020 for the yearly Best & Worst of MMA in the nominations thread, voting will be in January I guess?

https://forums.somethingawful.com/s...hreadid=3908602



Other Things to Check Out

MMA is not solely restricted to UFC but it is pretty much guaranteed that the UFC will more often than not put on fun cards. Thereís a bunch of B, C, and Z tier MMA organizations which you can chat about over at the B-League MMA: Grand Prixs and Untested Pee thread.

We have the Let's Watch: Random Old MMA Events! Thread thread which has been great to read about/relive events through other peopleís eyes and worth getting in on yourself if you like writing.

We also are always looking for nominations for the 2020 Best & Worst of MMA awards.

Finally, shout out to DumbWhiteGuy for providing details for the MMA IRC channel.

irc.synirc.net #mma

Join your fellow MMA fans in discussing all things MMA in a place probably secure against nuclear armageddon - IRC has been around for so long I'm not convinced anything could kill it.

There is also the MMA Goons Discord if you no longer use IRC because you are living in the 21st century.

Please Note: this is not an official Fight Island discord, and is just some of us hanging around to chat and such.

Link - https://discord.gg/SkR8ZeC

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Mekchu
Apr 10, 2012



Time for the post

Weíre doing guest monthly recaps as I want to get more of you weighing in. If you end up with a PM/shoutout from me then youíve been tapped to give the recap if you so choose. No worries if you donít want to do it, this is just to spice things up a bit.

November Recap by Mekchu (I forgot to get a guest)

November was a chaotic month in various ways. Namely a good number of decent fights fell through due to COVID tests coming back positive which was just, yeah it was dumb.

First we had UFC on ESPN: Santos vs. Teixeira. I genuinely thought this would be the fight that would guarantee Thiago Santos his title shot and rematch with Jan Blachowicz and yeah that did not work out. Glover was able to use his age and experience to basically draw Santos to the ground and work a solid grappling game that resulted in Texeira getting the W via a choke in the third round. Thatís two back to back losses for Santos but his status as the last man to beat current champion Jan Blachowicz is at least something that can help him get some momentum later on. Andrei Arlovski took home the decision win against Tanner Boseman in a fight I honestly canít remember off the top of my head. I think it was decent but nothing crazy or special? The rest of the card I sorta zone out on. I do think it is worth pointing out that Claudia Gadelha lost to Yan Xiaonan which is a decent step up for Yan, and a decent step down for Claudia.

Next was UFC Fight Night: Felder vs. dos Anjos. This was originally meant to be RDA vs Islam Makachaev but Makachaev tested positive for COVID and so they had to find a replacement because this card basically had no decent backup fight to fill in the main event slot. A decent number of folks on the card also missed weight which helps illustrate how dumb this card was to keep going on with. Kay Hansen lost her sophomore fight in the UFC against Cory McKenna. Then, like with the Santos/Teixeira card, the rest of the fights werenít really memorable. Paul Felderís late replacement in the main event saw some decent exchanges but there was a visible difference in skills between the two and it was an easy RDA victory that people will be praising Felder for for years to come since he took the fight on 5 days notice or so.

Then at UFC 255: Figueiredo vs. Perez we had some actually decent matches as a whole card was somewhat fleshed out. This was the card I actually cared about this month as well. On the prelims highlight sensation Joaqim Buckley scored another impressive KO to add to his promo packages. Brandon Moreno, the #1 ranked Flyweight, fought on the prelims against Brandon Royval and scored a TKO win via a dislocated shoulder which firmly put him as the proper next challenger for the Flyweight championship. On the main card, Paul Craig and Mauricio Rua fought for a 2nd time and Craig scored an early TKO win against the aging Shogun and really, we still are confused why Rua is continuing to fight this late into his career. Mike Perry lost to Tim Means and thatís all fine and good. In the co-main event Valentina Shevchenko scored yet another decision victory over an overmatched opponent and secured her Flyweight title. I am seriously stretching to find a decent competitor for her title because Womenís Flyweight is so thin. In the main event we had another replacement fight as Cody Garbrandt tested positive for COVID and had to be replaced by Alex Perez and not Brandon Moreno which was confusing. In the fight Flyweight Champion Deiveson Figuieredo quickly submitted his replacement opponent and that cleanly set up the next title fight for him against Brandon Moreno, which has been scheduled for UFC 256. Which is this month. Crazy I know.

The final card of the month saw the main event fall through as Curtis Blaydes tested positive for COVID as well and his match with Derrick Lewis was called off. This meant that Anthonty Smith was yet again in a main event fight with UFC on ESPN: Smith vs. Clark. Iíll be honest I missed this card as I could not find any reason to watch it over playing Rugby20 and I won my league championship with Munster so Iíll just give the quick and dirty results. Anthony Smith finally earned a W after some abysmal outings by getting a triangle choke win over Devin Clark.
Miguel Baeza got an arm-triangle choke over Takashi Sato. Parker Porter also took a decision win over Josh Parisian. Bill Algeo defeated Spike Carlyle via decision. Norma Dumont Viana took a decision win over Ashlee Evans-Smith. Jonathan Pearce defeated Kai Kamaka III via TKO


UFC events in December

December will be a good month of fights judging by the cards value on paper. More so than November so letís take a gander. On December 5th we will see UFC on ESPN: Hermansson vs. Vettori. The main event is Middleweight contenders Jack Hermansson, who last defeated Kelvin Gastelum via impressive leg lock, and Marvin Vettori. I canít really recall if I liked Vettori or not, but I get the feeling that if Hermansson wins heíll be the next Middleweight fight for Israel Adesanya. Also Ovince Saint Preux is facing Jamahal Hill at Light Heavyweight, and Montana De La Rosa is taking on Taila Santos.

A week later on December 12th the UFC will host the lone PPV for the month with UFC 256. Deiveson Figueiredo and Brandon Moreno are making quick turnarounds to fight for the Flyweight Championship. Also on the card Charles Oliveira and Tony Ferguson are facing off as a Lightweight contenders fight. Renato Moicano is also fighting Rafael Fiziev with former UFC HW Champion Junio dos Santos opening the show (yikes) against Ciryl Gane.

Finally the last event for 2020 will be on December 19th with UFC Fight Night: Edwards vs. Chimaev. The main event is Welterweight title challengers Leon Edwards and Khamzat Chimaev. I think Edwards has the edge, but Chimaev definitely has the momentum and hype behind him to propel a Chimaev victory into a title shot. Stephen Thompson and Geoff Neal are also facing off on the card as well as Marcin Tybura and Greg Hardy. Hopefully Tybura can end it with a great KO of Hardy. Marlon Moraes is going to face off against Rob Font, with Misha Crkunov and Ryan Spann somehow, at least according to Wikipedia, taking a higher slot on the card than Jose Aldoís fight against Marlon Vera. Yeah I donít get that one either.


Current Champions


Men's Heavyweight Champion - Stipe Miocic(20-3)
A veteran for 9 years in the UFC, Stipe has amassed quite an impressive resume. After a series of winning streaks halted by a lone loss, Miocic eventually worked his way up to a title fight with then champion Fabricio Werdum and shocked the world with his KO win becoming the new UFC Heavyweight Champion. Miocic would then go on and set the record for the most UFC Heavyweight title defenses at 3 because the UFC Heavyweight Championship must have a curse or something. This would then lead to a Champion vs Champion bout between then UFC Light Heavyweight champion Daniel Cormier which Miocic would lose. He then sat out for a year lobbying for a rematch which he eventually got 13 months after losing the title. While Stipe lost his first match with Cormier via KO, he avenged that loss with a KO of his own and reclaimed his Heavyweight gold. Another year would pass and Cormier and Miocic would face off for the third and final time, which would also presumably serve as Cormierís retirement fight where Miocicís clinch control and awareness of Cormierís game plan would lead him to another title defense beginning a new bid to set the record for most title defense wins. Miocicís next opponent is likely one he has already faced and defeated in Frances Ngannou though that still is not official.


Men's Light Heavyweight Champion - Jan Blachowicz (27-8)
Polandís Jan Blachowicz pre-UFC career was mainly a string of beating up European MMA fighters until being called up to the UFC. Things didn't go well for Blachowicz losing 4 of his first 6 fights in the promotion. Eventually though he found his groove and would string together wins and even avenging a few of his early losses in the UFC in rematches. It was when he fought and lost to Thiago Santos that things seemed to have changed. Blachowicz admitted the loss made him better and more focused on his fight game. He was relatively not a top end contender when the UFC matched him against the former UFC Middleweight Champion Luke Rockhold. The viciousness of Rockholdís KO loss that night sent the clear message that Jan was not to be overlooked and thanks to a pair more wins that immediately followed, he was clearly a top challenger for the UFC Light Heavyweight championship. When Jon Jones vacated the belt the UFC put Dominick Reyes and Jan against one another to determine the new champion. Many assumed Reyes, who arguably won against Jones in his last outing, would simply claim the vacant belt. Much like the Rockhold fight, Janís power and focus made it abundantly clear that he was not to be anyoneís stepping stone. Now the UFC Light Heavyweight champion, Janís first title challenger is unclear but there has been talk that Jonesí planned move to Heavyweight may be postponed so the two can finally meet inside the cage.



Menís Middleweight Champion - Israel Adesanya (20-0)
A native of Nigeria, New Zealandís Adesanya started his career not with MMA but with kickboxing and amassed a significant record of bouts throughout Asia and Australasia. Adesanya even made an appearance in Glory Kickboxing before moving to MMA full time. Debuting as an undefeated fighter, Adesanya simply kept collecting ďscalpsĒ (as he puts it) until he was facing off against the Middleweight Divisionís best. With wins over Derek Brunson and Anderson Silva within his first year in the UFC, the brass decided he and Kelvin Gastelum would face off for the Interim Middleweight Championship. This was arguably the best fight of 2019, if not the best Round of the Year. With the Interim Belt to his name, he was set to face fellow Kiwi, but Australian based, Robert Whittaker in a showdown. Fittingly in the same arena that Adesanya was in the nosebleeds to see Holm KO Rousey, Adesanya KOíd Whittaker and took the Undisputed Middleweight Championship home. In his first defense Adesanya did not waste time aiming to clear out the division and fought against Yoel Romero. While this fight arguably was lackluster, it was clear that Romeroís prowess for chaos was at least stifled by Adesanyaís awareness and ability to not get caught. Next Adesanya defended his title against a fellow undefeated Middleweight in the form of Paulo Costa. Many believed this would be at least a greater test for Adesanya than before and yet Adesanya put on a picture perfect performance with a 2nd round TKO win. Adesanya then wasted no time promising a title fight with Jared Cannonier should the American get past former champion Robert Whittaker, however Whittaker won and so a rematch with Whittaker could happen though a fight at Light Heavyweight has been hinted at for Adesanya.


Men's Welterweight Champion - Kamaru Usman (17-1)
Debuting in 2015 with The Ultimate Fighter: Blackzilians vs American Top Team, Kamaru Usman quickly showed his belief in his own self and mental toughness was a trait you could easily identify about him. Following the TUF finale, which Usman won, he would then go on to amass more and more wins against the Welterweight divisionís top fighters. However Usmanís performances werenít as eye-catching as others in the division, and yet he was there easily dispatching his opponents. Following wins over Demian Maia and Rafael Dos Anjos, Usman served as a replacement for Colby Covington against Tyron Woodley for Woodleyís Welterweight Championship. This would be Usmanís standout performance of his career, easily controlling and just beating up Woodley for all 5 rounds to earn a lopsided decision. Next Usman was put up against Colby Covington who had already begun a campaign to challenge for the belt. Usman again put on a fantastic performance and shut Covington up by breaking his jaw. He was then expected to face fellow teammate Gilbert Burns but Burns contracted COVID19 and a last minute replacement of Jorge Masvidal was chosen. Again, Usmanís hard work and ability to grind his opponents down served him yet another victory. Usmanís next opponent is still believed to be Burns.


Men's Lightweight Champion - Vacant
The shadow of Conor McGregor held sway over the UFC Featherweight and Lightweight divisions for nearly two years. This was the setting for Khabibís rise to the top and eventual championship. Nurmagomedov debuted in 2012 and simply went on a tear beating ever increasing and different styled opponents with his patented wrestling and clinch control. It wasnít until UFC 223 that Khabib ever came close to a title, and with UFC 223ís insanity letís just say Khabib got a lot of exposure and sympathy a lot quicker. Khabib went on to fight several more times going up to a 29-0 record. However with the recent death of his father, his win of Gaethje being his first fight camp without his dad, he decided to hang up the gloves and return home. What most people are probably going to expect is a Dustin Poirier & Conor McGregor rematch being for the vacant title because Conor never actually lost in his mind and thus is still the actual champ.



Men's Featherweight Champion - Alexander Volkanovski (22-1)
A former rugby player who pushed 200 lbs, Alexander Volkanovskiís athleticism has been a key factor in his UFC run. The Australian native entered the UFC with a 14-1 record and, much like his fellow champions on this list, just kept winning until he was facing off against former title challengers in the form of Chad Mendes, who he TKOíd, or former champions like Jose Aldo, who he beat via decision. With his winning ways he then saw himself across the Octagon from UFC Featherweight Champion Max Holloway. In a 5 round tactical battle, Volkanovski earned the upset win and dethroned the surging Holloway who had been undefeated at 145 for a good while. It was only fitting that Volkanovski then give Holloway a chance to win the belt back and the 2nd fight was just as exciting as the first. Suffering an early knockdown, Volkanovski was able to recover and eventually work out another decision victory setting Holloway off the Featherweight mountain for the foreseeable future. There has been no set contender for Volkanovski at this time.



Menís Bantamweight Champion - Petr Yan (15-1)
Russiaís Petr Yan entered the UFC with a bang thanks to a first round KO win. His notoriety had put Yan on some fight fansí radar but it wasnít until he had a pair of wins over John Dodson and Jimmie Rivera that people really begun to take notice. With those wins, Yan was paired with former WEC Featherweight Champion and UFC Bantamweight title challenger Urijah Faber in what many believed to be a true test for Yan. Within 3 rounds Yan held a prized KO win over Faber and saw himself become a top contender for Henry Cejudoís championship. That was until Cejudo vacated the belt and then Yan was paired against Jose Aldo for the championship. Yanís superb striking against an always game Aldo became more and more a factor and eventually Aldo succumbed to strikes midway through the fifth round. Yanís next challenger is likely to be Aljamain Sterling but that is not official as of right now.


Men's Flyweight Champion - Deiveson Figueiredo (20-1)
Deiveson Figueredo debuted with the UFC in 2017 and immediately set the Flyweight division on fire. He picked up 4 wins quickly and then faced off against veteran Jussier Formiga. This would be a losing effort for Figueiredo but an important one which Deiveson learned from. Following the loss he then picked up a win and was pitted against former Flyweight title challenger Tim Elliott who Deiveson quickly tapped in the first round. With the Flyweight Championship vacated by Henry Cejudo, Deiveson saw his name on the marquee opposite former title challenger Joseph Benavidez. However Figueiredo came in over-weight and although he picked up a TKO win was ineligible to win the title. A rematch was then booked 5 months later and this time Deiveson had no issues with his weight. In even quicker fashion Deiveson choked out Benavidez and claimed the UFC Flyweight Championship. After Cody Garbrandt tested positive for COVID, Deiveson faced Alex Perez in November and won easily, so easily the UFC decided to rebook him for December to face #1 contender Brandon Moreno in the main event of UFC 256. Flyweight looks to be a lot more fun than it had been a year or two ago.


Women's Featherweight Champion - Amanda Nunes (20-4)
Having claimed the UFC Bantamweight Championship, Nunes would go on a winning streak while the Featherweight division sat under the control of Cristiano ďCyborgĒ Justino. When the two were eventually paired for a Champion vs Champion bout at Featherweight, many assumed that Nunes likely could win, but it wouldnít be that easily. Boy did she make us all eat our words on that one. Nunes KOíd Justino in less than a minute and became the first Two Division Champion for the UFCís womenís roster and also the first female Double Champ. From here Nunes would bounce back and forth defending her Bantamweight and Featherweight titles, most recently in Featherweight where she beat Felicia Spencer. The next title challenger is expected to be Megan Anderson, and after that it seems as though Womenís Featherweight is pretty much dead with a lack of meaningful competition.


Women's Bantamweight Champion - Amanda Nunes (20-4)
Following her third fight in the UFC, a loss to Cat Zingano, Amanda Nunes seemingly changed everything about her fighting style and went on a tear in the Bantamweight division. She would pick up wins over title challengers like Sara McMann and top title contender Valentina Shevchenko. This thrusted her into a Bantamweight Championship match against reigning champion Miesha Tate at UFC 200 which saw Nunes easily win in just three and a half minutes. Following this she would welcome former champion Ronda Rousey back to the UFC, and simultaneously retire her as well. A rematch with Shevchenko and a win over Raquel Pennington saw Nunes quickly become a top champion in the division. When she was put into a Champion vs Champion bout against Cristiano Justino, we all just assumed she would be undersized and yet she surprised us again with a quick KO. Since then she defended her Bantamweight title twice against Holly Holm, who she KOíd, and Germain de Randamie and then went back to Featherweight being the only truly active multi-weight champion defending both her titles. Nunes is taking her next fight at Featherweight while Bantamweight tries to figure out who is up next for The Lioness.


Womenís Flyweight Champion - Valentina Shevchenko (20-3)
Debuting as a Bantamweight, Shevchenkoís skills were easily notable in the womenís division. However key losses to Amanda Nunes at UFC 196 in a non-title bout, and then later in a title bout at UFC 215 would see her return to the Flyweight division which she had fought in during her pre-UFC days. A fight against then champion Nicco Montano fizzled when Mantano couldnít make weight let alone the fight due to illness and was stripped. Valentina then faced former kickboxing opponent and former UFC Strawweight Champion Joanna Jedrzejczyk for the vacant belt which she won. Since then Shevchenko has been on a tear with KO and TKO wins over Jessica Eye and Katlyn Chookagian and a decision win over Liz Carmouche (who Shevchenko lost to prior to the UFC). Shevchenko faced and defeated Jennifer Maia and again we are left searching for someone worth the effort.


Women's Strawweight Champion - Zhang Weili (21-1)
Zhang Weili made a name for herself in Chinaís MMA circuit before being picked up by the UFC. With a quick succession of victories over Jessica Aguilar and Tecia Torres, Weili looked to be the Chinese star the UFC could put their marketing efforts behind and they did so when they put her against then Strawweight champion Jessica Andrade at an event in Shenzhen, China. Much like Andrade quickly earned a KO win to claim the belt, Weili returned the favor and claimed the championship becoming Chinaís first UFC champion. In her next outing she would face former Strawweight champion Joanna Jedrzejczyk in an all out war that earned FOTN and also left Joanna looking seriously deformed thanks to significant hematomoas. With Rose Namajunas, another former Strawweight champion, returning and picking up a win over Andrade, it seems like Weili will likely face Thug Rose next to cement herself as the greatest Strawweight Champion in UFC history.



As always, if i forgot something please let me know.

Mekchu fucked around with this message at 13:57 on Nov 30, 2020

CommonShore
Jun 6, 2014

A true renaissance man



https://twitter.com/JackSlackMMA/st...6071300097?s=19

Tezcatlipoca
Sep 18, 2009


Mekchu posted:

You were being needlessly antagonistic and are continuing to do so.

There's no such thing as needlessly antagonistic towards people who defend and condone the UFC's and others' flagrant abuse of public health so they can make more money while their fighters drop like flies. Calling people lovely for expressing views like that is good and appropriate.

CommonShore
Jun 6, 2014

A true renaissance man



Tezcatlipoca posted:

There's no such thing as needlessly antagonistic towards people who defend and condone the UFC's and others' flagrant abuse of public health so they can make more money while their fighters drop like flies. Calling people lovely for expressing views like that is good and appropriate.

ok you win now what do we do

Tezcatlipoca
Sep 18, 2009


CommonShore posted:

ok you win now what do we do

Don't let people get away with ignoring the pandemic that has infected more than a million people in my state alone. Don't act like calling out posters who do is some controversy when it should be normal. Yeah the UFC should have cancelled events and paid their employees to stay home, like every other half decent country on earth. Thailand had less than 100 deaths and a bunch of y'all are acting like noone has any idea what to do. It's embarrassing.

CommonShore
Jun 6, 2014

A true renaissance man



Tezcatlipoca posted:

Don't let people get away with ignoring the pandemic that has infected more than a million people in my state alone. Don't act like calling out posters who do is some controversy when it should be normal. Yeah the UFC should have cancelled events and paid their employees to stay home, like every other half decent country on earth. Thailand had less than 100 deaths and a bunch of y'all are acting like noone has any idea what to do. It's embarrassing.

Pretty much everyone agrees with this, but you're acting like this is in our power for the thread to change the covid situation or the UFC's policies via our denunciation. The problems you're describing aren't just a problem with the UFC, they're problems with the USA as a whole.

The bottom line is that pretty much everyone in the thread is as exhausted as you are with pandemic hellworld, but we're also exhausted with talking about it. I'll watch MMA on Saturday night because it's on and it gives me something that's not pandemic hellworld to talk to people about here or in discord when I spend 85% of my waking hours alone.


There's literally nothing that any of us can do other than furrow our brows and wring our hands about this situation.

handsome only face
Apr 22, 2010

Cockroach went out of the room in anger. And roach's go to empty room...

Cockroache's Anarchist




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ss2hULhXf04

FishBowlRobot
Mar 21, 2006






Jack Slack on point as always

Fozzy The Bear
Sep 27, 2009


Tezcatlipoca posted:

Don't let people get away with ignoring the pandemic that has infected more than a million people in my state alone. Don't act like calling out posters who do is some controversy when it should be normal. Yeah the UFC should have cancelled events and paid their employees to stay home, like every other half decent country on earth. Thailand had less than 100 deaths and a bunch of y'all are acting like noone has any idea what to do. It's embarrassing.

Oh so its UFC's covid response that finally upset you? Not the previous owner's union busting at their casinos. Cutting fighters who are actively trying to create an association. Forcing fighters to resign 8-fight, 4-year contracts or give them horrible match ups vs no-name competition. Taking away the fighter's sponsorship money. Making the fighters pee and shower in front of a stranger all in the name of keeping the sport PED free, but then changing the venue the week of the fight so that one of their biggest names could fight while using PEDs. Using their monopoly power to make fighters sign away their likeness forever to a video game. Paying fighters less than 18% of revenue when all other sports (including boxing) pays well over double that. Signing multi-hundred million dollar TV deals and giving the fighters zero if it. Signing fighters who have domestic abuse issues. I can go on and on.

But its the covid response that you are willing to die on your sword about?

I don't know who is a new fan here, but combat sports are the most grimy, scummy, horrible sports, from the promotions to the agents to the fighters. Keep in mind that you are watching people get brain damage for your enjoyment (and very little pay). It is what it is.

Brut
Aug 21, 2007

Герой Советского Союза



Tezcatlipoca posted:

Yeah the UFC should have cancelled events and paid their employees to stay home, like every other half decent country on earth.

Of course this would be the right thing to do, nobody's disagreeing with that, but even the actual country we're in hasn't managed to do that properly (varies wildly by state) so I don't see how it's realistic that this company inside of that country would have decided to. Since when does UFC do the right thing? The only realistic option was UFC deciding that putting on fights without a gate isn't worth it and just cancelling everything while loving over their entire roster, or at least the majority of it.

I was only trying to say that just cancelling all UFC events wouldn't have much effect on it's own. Would you be willing to agree that this was a misunderstanding? Is there anything else that I can clarify?

Please take a step back and relax, the accusations thrown around over the past couple of days went consistently above and beyond what anyone was actually saying.

artism
Nov 22, 2011



I propose a moratorium on all UFC discussion until the moderators of DPPH come up with better Covid guidelines, unionize all fighters, propose a more equitable pay structure and collect the fifty or so signatures of the regular posters in this thread to authorize changes. Anything else would be cowardice at best, capitalism at worst.

ItohRespectArmy
Sep 11, 2019

Cutest In The World, Six Time DDT Ironheavymetalweight champion, Third ever International Princess champion And a pretty good singer too!
"When I was an idol, I felt nothing every day but now that I'm a pro wrestler I'm in pain constantly!"



I can't believe that son of a bitch karmicknight didn't stop the UFC from being monsters during covid.

got some chores tonight
Feb 18, 2012

honk honk whats for lunch...


there is no ethical consumption of mma; at its core, youre watching a bunch of idiots cause permanent brain damage to each other (and then lol at the outcomes e.g. tito, bj, cruz, etc). all the fighters are trump supporters. the owner of the main promotion was probably the first guy to endorse donald trump as a legitimate presidental candidate in 2016. at the core of things, youre a bad person if you enjoy mma and youll never be able to justify your fandom to many people without them thinking you should be in jail. and it will never change because only morally bankrupt people in dying empires desperately turning aggressively authoritarian (roman, british, nippon, american, etc) would ever watch combat sports.

got some chores tonight
Feb 18, 2012

honk honk whats for lunch...


literally the only happy endings any ufc fighters have ever had was when they had full blown panic attacks at the thought of ever fighting again and retired the first time anyone ever hurt them (gsp, ronda) or retired because their dad died

everyone else quit because they got punched so hard in the head they committed a crime or started doing drugs or otherwise had massive personality changes that ruined their lives

Digital Jedi
May 28, 2007

Wow....that feels good






Fallen Rib

This weekends fight card is pretty lackluster. Beside main and co-main I'm only recognizing 2 other names. Though I see 5 people are undefeated going into their fights (none of fighting each other). Wonder if that is a record.

UFC 256 is looking like a banger.

Mekchu
Apr 10, 2012



Tezcatlipoca posted:

There's no such thing as needlessly antagonistic towards people who defend and condone the UFC's and others' flagrant abuse of public health so they can make more money while their fighters drop like flies. Calling people lovely for expressing views like that is good and appropriate.


There is when you're hurling insults at someone rather than just talking like an adult. Nobody, Brut, Commonshore, JaySB etc. disagrees that running events right now is a super dumb idea. However we are just posters on the internet forum, not actually capable of effecting changes in how the UFC operates. As Brut pointed out, this isn't really just a UFC issue, its an issue with the US and a lot of how the US seems to be incredibly stupid with its approach. The NFL kept chugging along despite this week the entire Denver Broncos QB lineup getting covid or a few weeks ago a bunch of people in other teams getting COVID. Look at the grappling thread, there's tons of people who post both here and in the UFC thread talking about how there are idiots at their gyms in the US/Canada/Europe training despite the high risk of spread. The only person who actively has been able to train during all of this is me and I live in a country that actually did stuff to prevent COVID spread unlike the US and guess what, Korea has had a spike of cases and now my gym is closed. All of those instances are less the fault of the viewers and more the fault of the organizers and those in the local governments who didnt tell them to not do it strong enough.

I have had to miss both my grandmother's funeral and my father's funeral this year because the USA, not the UFC, could not get its collective head out of its rear end long enough to actually do something to help the situation and make it safe enough for me to go back and pay my final respects. Not to mention my family being barred from visiting my dad in the hospital during his final month of life because of risk of exposure to COVID. So don't talk to me about how I'm somehow complicit in anything with regards to ignoring the pandemic. It is very real to me and has done more harm to my family and my own personal mental health and life than you're assuming. Talk to me when you can't go collect the ashes of your dad and have no clue how long until you can do that because a whole country has decided protesting at governor's mansions armed to the teeth over being told masks are important to wear is a greater issue than ensuring that proper public health practices are enforced.

The UFC is poo poo, nobody is disagree with that statement. The UFC are stupid for still running events despite the pandemic not easing in the US as we enter winter which is when it is far easier for the virus to spread. The UFC is also stupid as poo poo for not doing a dozen other fighter friendly things over the past 25 years, nobody disagrees with these statements. However, the UFC also is a company, not a country, and are a symptom of an issue and not a cause. If you want to get mad at the state of the US then go talk to Donald Trump & his crew of abject imbeciles and ghouls who think your life matters less than another dollar in their bank account, and not the UFC thread posters in this thread who don't have any power over the UFC or the US government, and use this thread as away to get their mind off the overbearing stress of what is going on.

Oh hey look, I was able to talk to you like an adult and not be needlessly antagonistic nor insult you. Go figure.

Mekchu fucked around with this message at 23:35 on Nov 30, 2020

Dirt Road Junglist
Oct 8, 2010

There's a ghost in me
Who wants to say I'm sorry
Doesn't mean I'm sorry






got some chores tonight posted:

there is no ethical consumption of mma

And most of us have internalized this, wrestled with the implications, and if they're like me, decided, "gently caress it, the sport continues whether I get mad and cut up my Xbox copy of UFC Undisputed on Twitter or not."

Gumball Gumption
Jan 7, 2012

GET BACK UP

The idea this thread is an oasis from the real world doesn't really stand up when the fighters themselves are getting covid and getting sick. No one is dragging reality into the thread, the UFC is by having fighters get sick. If having it pointed out that you have to actively ignore something happening right in front of you too actually enjoy the UFC makes you feel bad, maybe stop watching UFC of get more comfortable with feeling bad. Definitely don't ask people to not point out reality to you.

CommonShore
Jun 6, 2014

A true renaissance man



Gumball Gumption posted:

The idea this thread is an oasis from the real world doesn't really stand up when the fighters themselves are getting covid and getting sick. No one is dragging reality into the thread, the UFC is by having fighters get sick. If having it pointed out that you have to actively ignore something happening right in front of you too actually enjoy the UFC makes you feel bad, maybe stop watching UFC of get more comfortable with feeling bad. Definitely don't ask people to not point out reality to you.

All we're really asking is for people not to be a loving rear end in a top hat when they feel like posting about these problems, and perhaps to lay off the dead horse jusssssttttt a little.

CommonShore
Jun 6, 2014

A true renaissance man



really the worst posts are posts about posting

Snowman_McK
Jan 31, 2010
ASK ME ABOUT MY SELF-PUBLISHED WARHAMMER FANFICTION AND MY KNIFE COLLECTION


CommonShore posted:

really the worst posts are posts about posting

nah, the ones where we argued about who was charismatic were the worst. Especially since it turned out none of us knew what charisma was. It's not surprising that we didn't know, but that didn't make the posts any better.

CommonShore
Jun 6, 2014

A true renaissance man



Snowman_McK posted:

nah, the ones where we argued about who was charismatic were the worst. Especially since it turned out none of us knew what charisma was. It's not surprising that we didn't know, but that didn't make the posts any better.

but isn't charisma just f2f posting?

Snowman_McK
Jan 31, 2010
ASK ME ABOUT MY SELF-PUBLISHED WARHAMMER FANFICTION AND MY KNIFE COLLECTION


CommonShore posted:

but isn't charisma just f2f posting?

Well, it couldn't be since so much of conor's charisma manifests in tweet form.

...oh no, it's starting again.

Mekchu
Apr 10, 2012



Gumball Gumption posted:

The idea this thread is an oasis from the real world doesn't really stand up when the fighters themselves are getting covid and getting sick. No one is dragging reality into the thread, the UFC is by having fighters get sick. If having it pointed out that you have to actively ignore something happening right in front of you too actually enjoy the UFC makes you feel bad, maybe stop watching UFC of get more comfortable with feeling bad. Definitely don't ask people to not point out reality to you.

Nobody is saying you're not allowed to point out the bad things that the UFC does. This thread has been, and continues to, be a lot of discussion about how crappy the UFC treats fighters. I already said before I'm 100% fine with people talking about the issues the UFC is facing with running events during a pandemic and agree its the dumbest thing in the world to do. Brut & I have both asked, multiple times, for the bare minimum standard of not being an rear end in a top hat when talking about it. Some people have been able to do that, others haven't. Like I posted above, the UFC is a symptom of a far greater issue and not the cause of it.

Also regarding "Definitely don't ask people to not point out reality to you." I'll personally take exception to being accused of being somehow responsible and accepting of the spread of COVID in the USA because I stayed at home (in a different country than the USA, that actually had its poo poo together) and watched a thing that was on TV. You know a thing that took more than just the viewers (eg. the CEOs, the networks etc.) to get organized and could have instead said "you know what, maybe this is a bad idea to run right now." Which is the same thing you are actively doing with regards to watching AEW this past week, those who watch NFL do every Sunday, those who watch F1, etc. etc. Especially when COVID has, as I pointed out above, directly affected my ability to attend close family members funerals this year. Nobody in these threads can control what Dana White, Ari Emanuel and the chucklefucks at ESPN decide to do. We simply can't. If you argue differently that's fine, but I wholeheartedly disagree. We can only discuss the ongoings of what is happening in the UFC (and have actively been saying this was a dumb idea since Dana first tried to get an event on a reservation only to be told by Disney & the CA governor he is an idiot and to stop), again not unlike what you and the other posters are doing in the AEW, WWE, NFL, Sumo, etc. threads.

Mekchu fucked around with this message at 02:21 on Dec 1, 2020

Nierbo
Dec 4, 2010


Hey quezacotl, when you're at a party or with some friends and they're talking about some fight coming up, do you run over and jump in and make sure everyone knows that you're unhappy with the covid sitch? Or do you just chat about past and future matchups? Cos that's all were trying to do. Thanks.

piratepilates
Mar 28, 2004

So I will learn to live with it. Because I can live with it. I can live with it.





what parties

TheKingslayer
Sep 3, 2008

There are no men like me. There's only me.





Duh, all the covid parties that are happening

Everyone has immaculate posture and very natural tans though.

Mekchu
Apr 10, 2012



Only nerds don't get invited to the covid parties.

Untrustable
Mar 16, 2009







Cool. Cool. Let's talk about Tai Tuivasa and Tyson Pedro and also that really good kickboxer who were gonna be the next thing and there was that really NZ-centric card where they all looked bad and it seems like cool fighters end up doing badly, except GOAT contender Andrei "The Pitbull" Arlovski.

Mekchu
Apr 10, 2012



Tyson Pedro has been injured the past two years, and I don't know which kickboxer you are referring to other than maybe Jimmy Crute who seems to be doing well at the moment.

Untrustable
Mar 16, 2009







I for some reason was thinking of Augusto Sakai who is not a kickboxer but a fairly decent HW. I don't know why I thought he was a kickboxer. Too much Scott Adkins in my Netflix queue or some poo poo.

Blueshirt
Sep 27, 2020


Felice Herrig is apparently an OnlyFans foot model now?

kimbo305
Jun 9, 2007

He is I, and I am him



Good to know she was able to rise above the shame of her mma career.

Ad by Khad
Jul 25, 2007

SomethingAwful's Official Karen





Certainly pays a hell of a lot better than 12/12

LobsterMobster
Oct 29, 2009

"I was being quiet and trying to be a good boy but he dialed the right combination to open the throw-down vault and it was on."

"Walter Foxx is ten times brighter than your bulb at the bottom of the tree merry xmas"


Does that mean her lawsuit against Mortal Kombat didn't turn out well for her?

Mekchu
Apr 10, 2012



LobsterMobster posted:

Does that mean her lawsuit against Mortal Kombat didn't turn out well for her?

Wait she was suing Mortal Kombat?

LobsterMobster
Oct 29, 2009

"I was being quiet and trying to be a good boy but he dialed the right combination to open the throw-down vault and it was on."

"Walter Foxx is ten times brighter than your bulb at the bottom of the tree merry xmas"


No, but she got mad that a somewhat recent version of Mortal Kombat had Cassie Cage doing a victory pose of taking a selfie and blowing a bubble gum bubble

Felice felt she had been ripped off since she's blonde and so is Cassie, and clearly, the extent of flirtatious gestures are limited and strict intellectual property

Bluedeanie
Jul 20, 2008

It's no longer a blue world, Max. Where could we go?



In her defense the character also bore a resemblance to her beyond all that

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Troy Queef
Jan 12, 2013

I was 12 when I made love for the first time, in Tropea, with a Roman girl who was 17 years old.





so Joaquin Buckley is calling out James Krause, the entire Glory MMA crew, and basically any fighter who's ever spent 48 consecutive hours in Kansas City.

personally I want to see it, partially because people occasionally need to be reminded that Krause isn't that good of a guy but also because dude's nickname is "The" and that's hosed up

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