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Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998




Toilet Rascal

It is December, but UKMT ThreadPro, who were hired to produce a new high quality thread, turned out to mostly have experience in marketing imitation livestock to Pietermaritzburg.

Ah well, such is business.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KhfddlaibfI

Lungboy posted:

The new regulations that MPs will be voting on tomorrow have been published, and at the end say:

"No impact assessment has been prepared for these Regulations."

Which seems like a pretty massive admission that they're just making it all up.

Which also means these may still be useful, even as we await a vaccine:
Find Your Local COVID-19 Mutual Aid Group - or set one up
Also check:
https://freedomnews.org.uk/covid-19...-groups-a-list/
https://secretldn.com/uk-community-aid-groups-by-area/
https://queercare.network/our-work/resources/covid-19/

In Other News
• The UK terror threat level is raised from "substantial" to "severe".
• Chancellor of the Exchequer Rishi Sunak extends the government's furlough scheme to the end of his family's undeclared wealth.
• Government impose a ban on non-UK citizens arriving from Denmark, because nobody expected the Danish Mink Transposition.
• The number of official deaths from COVID-19 in the UK exceeds 50,000.
• The government commissions research into space-based solar power and laser guns and laser tanks based in space.
• Labour readmits Jeremy Corbyn, following his suspension over antisemitism on 29 October, sort of.
• Following three weeks of nationwide lockdown in England, the R number for coronavirus in the UK is reported to have fallen to between 0.9 and 1 for the first time since mid-August.

The cold is coming. December’s winter solstice. Start of the season.

Ġēolamonaþ
UKMT Autumn 2020 - Thou shalt have a Rishi act a little fishi
UKMT Summer 2020 - Two Pints of Saline and Abacavir for Drip
UKMT May 2020 - Let them eat Nando's
UKMT April 2020 - The Betacoronavirus and the Virgin Atlantic
All Previous Threads (thanks Pesky Splinter)

Independence and Unity Day
Europol Thread
Scotpol Thread
Trainchat Thread
Political Cartoons Thread
C-SPAM: BREXIT
BYOB: UKMT

Feast for Death of Aleister Crowley
Podcasting is Praxis - The official podcast of the UKMT with UKMT goons talking into microphones about things.
Off the Fence - Brighton based, covering UK & Global topics. Pretty chill and professional peeps. Older 'casts can be found in the PLATFORM B archive.
Reel Politik - The Original Leftie Hate Trolls. Check 'em out.
We Don't Talk About The Weather - Two cool guys discuss news and other stuff. The second-most UKMT-iest of Podcasts.
Desolation Radio - Socialism from a Welsh perspective. Informative hosts.
Revolutionary Despatches - Two new guys starting out.
Connected & Disaffected - Breezy discussions of lefty social, and historical topics, and news updates. Pretty Good.
Trashfuture - Theme of the week style podcast about capitalism and how much it fucks up. Cool podcasters, sometimes working with Reel Politik
Agitpod - Owen Jones & Ellie Mae O’Hagan discuss news.
Reasons to Be Cheerful - Former Labour leader Ed "Red Ed" Milliband and Geoff Lloyd shoot the poo poo, and discuss general politics. Sometimes with guests.
Novara Media - Numerous fluctucating commentators including Matt Zarb-Cousin, Max Shanly, and James Butler among others. Varying topics with guests.
[Citations Needed] - Covers the US, focussing on the media, PR, and assorted bullshit. Also some socialist history topics. Very informative.
Chapo House Media - More US focused, from a leftist perspective. Basically a US version of Reel Politik, but with better mics. Worth a listen.
General Intellect Unit - Podcast of the Cybernetic Marxists. Examining the intersection of Technology, (Left) Politics, and Philosophy; decently in-depth and theory-driven as podcasts go.
Alpha 2 Omega - Tom O'Brien talks political strategy.
Requires Improvement - Podcast of lefty teachers exploring all things education, from a socialist perspective.
Swampside Chats - "The highest communist podcast"

Teachers' Day
Stop, Thief!: The Commons, Enclosures, And Resistance – Peter Linebaugh
Demanding The Impossible - David Morland
Demanding the Impossible: A History of Anarchism - Peter Marshall
Chav Solidarity - D. Hunter
No Shortcuts: Organizing for Power in the New Gilded Age - Jane McAlevey
Libertarian Communism – Isaac Puente Amestoy
At The Café – Malatesta
The Method of Freedom – Malatesta
In Praise of Idleness – Russell
Political Ideals – Russell
Declaration – Hardt and Negri
Liberalism, a Counter History – Domenico Losurdo
God and the State – Bakunin
The Conquest of Bread – Kropotkin
Imperialism, the Highest Stage of Capitalism – V I Lenin
Anarchism and Other Essays – Emma Goldman
Social Reform or Revolution – Rosa Luxemburg
Violence – Slavoj Zizek
Jihad vs. McWorld - Benjamin Barber
Crashed: How a Decade of Financial Crises Changed the World – Adam Tooze
Flat Earth News - Nick Davies
Hack Attack - Nick Davies
Ecology of Freedom – Murray Bookchin
Anarchism, Marxism and the Future of the Left – Murray Bookchin
A Brief History of Neoliberalism – David Harvey
Let's Read Das Kapital – Karl Marx and Goons

Cat Herders Day (thanks feedmegin)

quote:

I came up with the idea of a register of goons and their CLPs in case any new joiners wanted someone to go to to get the local lie of the land.

Banbury - trypsin
Barking - feedmegin
Bexleyheath and Crayford - Rolled Cabbage
Bristol East - Luxury Tent Carpet
Bristol West - Pistol_Pete, Rarity
Broxtowe - MikeCrotch
Bury St Edmunds - Cluncho McChunk
Canterbury - Spangly A
Chelmsford - Trickjaw
Cotswolds (yes, we do have one) - Yvonmukluk
Cumbernauld - mehall ('s partner)
Dulwich and West Norwood - maugrim
Ealing Central and Acton - Comrade Fakename
Edinburgh Central (s?) - Autonomous Monster
Edinburgh Central, Ipswich - Lord of the Llamas
Enfield Southgate - spiderbot
Glasgow Southside/Central - Niric
Havant - Last Emperor
Hertford and Stortford - Brovine
Hyndburn - Kegluneq
Leeds East - mrpwase
Leeds North East - Irving Washington
Manchester Central - Jakabite
Northampton - superLINUS
North-East Somerset (the long-shot campaign to unseat Jacob Rees-Mogg) - Darth Walrus
Salisbury (and Salisbury Momentum, which is now a thing that actually exists) - Wolfsbane
Sheffield South East - Cast_no_shadow, Mebh
South East Cambridgeshire - Stoic Fnord
Southampton (Test) - waffle, Nova88
St Austell & Newquay - Oh dear me
Stockport - Taear, Tesla was right
Swansea West - Borrovan
Tatton - Bundy
Watford - SpaceCommie
Wimbledon - chestnut santabag

The Effortpost's Graveyard (thanks goddamnedtwisto and UKMT goons)

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learnincurve posted:

Need something added to every OP. DWP have been told not to tell sanctioned people about this.

If you get sanctioned then to prevent your housing and council tax benefits falling like a house of cards, and in some case get access to a utility bill fund, call your local council for a "Nil Income Form".

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Red Oktober
May 24, 2006

wiggly eyes!





A shiny new thread! Feels like it’s been a very long time.

Reminds me that it’s advent calendar season. This year mine is a different beer every day so I probably have to break the tradition of “open the calendar in the morning and eat the chocolate before breakfast” as applied to beer.

Dabir
Nov 10, 2012


DCFADP

Gonzo McFee
Jun 19, 2010


https://twitter.com/Keir_Starmer/st...3521936384?s=19

I'm reminded of an article I read that says people mostly watch videos with the sound off. Probably shouldn't have opened the video with "hi there it's Keir, I've been a Conservative voter all my life and I voted for Boris and Brexit."

Ms Adequate
Oct 29, 2011

Baby even when I'm dead and gone
You will always be my only one, my only one
When the night is calling
No matter who I become
You will always be my only one, my only one, my only one
When the night is calling





Now is the season of our discontent and there is no son of York to make it glorious summer.

Unless someone arms Prince Harry I guess?

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998




Toilet Rascal

He's in SoCal now, so I'm sure he can arm himself as long as he uses bullet buttons or his ridiculous wealth to buy some tax stamps.

BizarroAzrael
Apr 6, 2006

"That must weigh heavily on your soul. Let me purge it for you."

To continue the electricity chat from last thread, I've just moved into a new place with I think British Gas electricity already, should I still look at Bulb? I don't know if I have an existing commitment having not signed up to anything myself, but maybe there's some deal with the housing association.

crispix
Mar 28, 2015

Oh globbits


Gonzo McFee posted:

https://twitter.com/Keir_Starmer/st...3521936384?s=19

I'm reminded of an article I read that says people mostly watch videos with the sound off. Probably shouldn't have opened the video with "hi there it's Keir, I've been a Conservative voter all my life and I voted for Boris and Brexit."

Yeah this is how I watched it. I wasn't surprised at all though

i didn't want to wake up the cat

Continuity NIP
Dec 30, 2010



If you're in the North but not North enough to be Scotland you should be in the Northern Independence Party

15 million people, a GDP per capita just below Japan, and crucially no imperial delusions to obsess over

Continuity NIP fucked around with this message at 00:58 on Dec 1, 2020

Maugrim
Feb 16, 2011

I eat your face



UKMT Solidarity Fund Monthly Update - 1st 3rd December 2020

Thanks to generous goons for ensuring we ran a surplus this month!

A few points of fund-related news:

1) Due to Paypal rules on donations requiring us to provide a company registration number, we've been looking into the possibility of registering the Fund as a community interest company (CIC). However, on closer examination, this seems unsuitable for us; switching to a CIC model would require us to register a new company, do some legal legwork to combine it with the Fund as it currently exists, and appoint one or more directors who would have complete legal control of the fund; they are designed to be run as businesses, albeit with the proceeds going to benefit the community.

Instead we're going to press ahead with the alternative which is to register with the Charities Commission, which will give us a charity number to provide to Paypal and hopefully keep them off our (treasurer's) back.

2) In order to make any changes to make the operation of the Fund, or to update the Constitution to something the Charities Commission will be likely to approve, we need to resolve a longstanding issue with said Constitution - namely the bar to passing votes, which currently requires a two thirds or simple majority of the entire membership (not just those members who participate in the vote) - a functionally impossible bar to clear, considering the membership requirement is "be a goon who reads the UKMT". Whoops, my bad. We've figured out how to fix this, though, and I'll be laying the details out in a later post.

3) Next month will be election time for the Solidarity Fund committee! The election will be announced in the thread at the start of January. There will be a one-week period for nominations and then a week of voting (unless there were 5 or fewer nominations - full details are in the Constitution, part 2 section 6). So keep an eye out for that.


November Stats:



Monthly donations and payouts:



Cumulative donations and payouts:




UKMTSF Data Trends | Record of Activity | Constitution

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Maugrim fucked around with this message at 15:48 on Dec 3, 2020

WhatEvil
Jun 6, 2004

Can't get no luck.


Soiled Meat

Gonzo McFee posted:

https://twitter.com/Keir_Starmer/st...3521936384?s=19

I'm reminded of an article I read that says people mostly watch videos with the sound off. Probably shouldn't have opened the video with "hi there it's Keir, I've been a Conservative voter all my life and I voted for Boris and Brexit."

Interestingly I did a retweet the other day which has a video, and my tweet has almost 60,000 impressions, and ~350 retweets.

It has *11* media clicks from all of that. And it doesn't even have subtitles (though the important bit of what's being said is in the body of the tweet itself).

https://twitter.com/WhatEvil/status...7423463428?s=20

Given that I'm reasonably sure you need to click on the vid to get the sound, almost 100% of people who saw this did not listen to the sound. Just thought that was really interesting.

Jose
Jul 24, 2007



Continuity NIP posted:

If you're in the North but not North enough to be Scotland you should be in the Northern Independence Party

15 million people, a GDP per capita just below Japan, and crucially no imperial delusions to obsess over

I am actually interested but can't pay fees and there is a plague outside are these obstacles

endlessmonotony
Nov 4, 2009


These are some bad posts, but they're not as bad as OOCC. I pray you recover enough to someday throw OOCC's keyboard into the sea and claim your rightful role as the worst C-SPAM poster.

Anyone got an update on Keir's deeply held values?

mediaphage
Mar 22, 2007

Excuse me, pardon me, sheer perfection coming through


endlessmonotony posted:

Anyone got an update on Keir's deeply held values?

{NULL}

Comrade Fakename
Feb 13, 2012



Continuity NIP posted:

If you're in the North but not North enough to be Scotland you should be in the Northern Independence Party

15 million people, a GDP per capita just below Japan, and crucially no imperial delusions to obsess over

Ah, the eternal delusion that if parts of the UK split away, they will somehow be innocent of the empire.

Jaeluni Asjil
Apr 18, 2018

Sorry I thought you were a landlord when I gave you your old avatar!

endlessmonotony posted:

Anyone got an update on Keir's deeply held values?

I thought this graph sums it up quite nicely:

Jaeluni Asjil
Apr 18, 2018

Sorry I thought you were a landlord when I gave you your old avatar!

Temporary jobs doing the 2021 census - various roles.

https://www.censusjobs.co.uk/

Part of the application process includes a 'situational' test - how you behave in certain situations. I guess those of you who have canvassed for the Labour party will be well able to deal with obnoxious replies on the doorstep (I'm assuming that's what it will be about).
Wonder if Jedi Knights will be a thing this time? I was away from the UK in 2011, but in 2001 I was a Jedi Knight.

Disnesquick
Feb 22, 2011


Jaeluni Asjil posted:

I thought this graph sums it up quite nicely:



Clearly a use-case for self-importance sampling.

Continuity NIP
Dec 30, 2010



Jose posted:

I am actually interested but can't pay fees and there is a plague outside are these obstacles

We're launching our actual membership system soon, when it happens if you can't actually pay subs (£2.50 a month unwaged) I will personally see if there's a way you can get involved anyway

Continuity NIP
Dec 30, 2010



Comrade Fakename posted:

Ah, the eternal delusion that if parts of the UK split away, they will somehow be innocent of the empire.

Our position is that the north constitutes a nation in waiting, we don't have a position on guilt re: empire

E: additionally, lmao at a us/uk citizen attempting to guilt anyone. You are the perfect intersection of empire

Continuity NIP fucked around with this message at 03:16 on Dec 1, 2020

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

medio de fonte leporum surgo amariter




thirty-one days

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

medio de fonte leporum surgo amariter




https://www.theguardian.com/comment...exiters-no-deal

lmao rip

Bobby Deluxe
May 9, 2004

may have been the losing side,
still not convinced it was the wrong one

Red Oktober posted:

Reminds me that it’s advent calendar season. This year mine is a different beer every day so I probably have to break the tradition of “open the calendar in the morning and eat the chocolate before breakfast” as applied to beer.
gently caress it, it's lockdown. Day drinking is just drinking now.

endlessmonotony posted:

Anyone got an update on Keir's deeply held values?
More like #REF! since they shift so much.

Beefeater1980
Sep 12, 2008

My God, it's full of Horatios!





Got a chocolate advent calendar for the kids and it feels really nice to see them getting all excited about opening it.

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

medio de fonte leporum surgo amariter




an advent calendar where every day is an imported everyday staple

WhatEvil
Jun 6, 2004

Can't get no luck.


Soiled Meat

Cool news out of Spain.

https://twitter.com/EoghanGilmartin...4842552320?s=20

Total Meatlove
Jan 28, 2007


Rangers died, shoujo Hitler cried ;_;


Endjinneer posted:

No it's still the dream unless you're an industrial consumer of electricity in which case your pricing is based more-or-less on consumption of available capacity, rather than number of kWh.
Distributed energy storage and buy/sell at individual user level could be such a huge win for energy efficiency but we're still a way off it because of the changes needed to move the juice around and manage side effects.
What happens, for example, if every Tesla in the UK starts with the same default setting for when it buys power and they all switch in at once? We've learnt this lesson once already- economy7 caused grid problems because it meant all the really high load appliances switched on at precisely the same time.

To continue this point, the switching behaviours required to balance the grid at micro and macro level rely entirely on smart meters being in place. There’s no way around it. You want to balance your Solar, Ground Source Heat Pumps, Electric Vehicles and still have everyone getting power? Needs to be balanced.

Want to sell your battery contents (either fixed or EV) through an aggregator working as a virtual peaking station? Needs a smart meter.

CGI Stardust
Nov 7, 2010


Brexit is but a door,
election time is but a window.

I'll be back



gently caress. condemned to the hardest brexit because Polly Tuscany's articles exploded the brains of our negotiators. what a way to go

Payndz
Sep 22, 2006

They smelled of pubs, and Wormwood Scrubs, and too many right-wing meetings.

So I twatted them with a magic yo-yo. Because, hell, why not?


The self-contradiction of this made my head spin. At the start: "There will be a Brexit deal with the EU! It is inevitable! Even Boris Johnson will see that!" At the end: "This deal will be atrocious! Pro-Brexit Tories will oppose it, and Labour shouldn't vote for it because it will damage Haircut Leader!"

Also, lol at the inevitable "forensic" reference to Starmer. It is so not the word I would use to describe him as Opposition leader. "Supine", maybe.

Private Speech
Mar 30, 2011

I HAVE EVEN MORE WORTHLESS BEANIE BABIES IN MY COLLECTION THAN I HAVE WORTHLESS POSTS IN THE BEANIE BABY THREAD YET I STILL HAVE THE TEMERITY TO CRITICIZE OTHERS' COLLECTIONS

IF YOU SEE ME TALKING ABOUT BEANIE BABIES, PLEASE TELL ME TO

EAT. SHIT.


So this flew a bit under the radar (at least for me) but apparently the Resident Labour Market Test is being abolished! That's pretty great news for job-seeking migrants, it's by far the most onerous immigration requirement for workers.

There's still the cost (~8-12k for five years not counting lawyer fees and aditional dependents), sponsorship requirements (basically a lot of paperwork about employee attendence and performance that employers have to fill out) and the time it takes to apply, but it's a significant step forward.

CGI Stardust
Nov 7, 2010


Brexit is but a door,
election time is but a window.

I'll be back


chapter 35 of Polly's Keir Starmer fanfiction, wherein the evil Boris Johnson is defeated because he misunderstands trade rules, to do nothing is the highest form of courage, and Keir has never made a booboo

quote:

The upcoming deal will spectacularly fail that test: voting for it risks Starmer’s reputation for straight-dealing ... Looking back, it will seem clear that an opposition should have opposed it. Abstention is not pusillanimous, but the only honourable option.
...
Of course, Labour could be obliged to vote for it and save the nation if a humiliated Johnson can’t stop his MPs voting it down. But that’s unlikely; and to vote for this atrocious deal in any other circumstance would be Starmer’s first serious mistake.
"Every contribution, however big or small, makes a real difference for our future. Support the Guardian from as little as £1 – and it only takes a minute. Thank you." as they continue to pay for this dreck instead of a handful of investigative journalists

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

It is a powerful visual metaphor for my posting.


I do enjoy the rhetorical approach of referring to a thing as if it is a real thing when it is in fact not a thing.

Pistol_Pete
Sep 15, 2007

I disagree! Only 2 Princesses have died. That is one of the smallest number of dead Princesses you can have.

Oven Wrangler

CGI Stardust posted:


"Every contribution, however big or small, makes a real difference for our future. Support the Guardian from as little as £1 – and it only takes a minute. Thank you." as they continue to pay for this dreck instead of a handful of investigative journalists

Just imagine the savings if the Guardian cut loose their stable of identikit, overpaid, 'centrist' opinion havers. And the paper might actually become readable again.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

It is a powerful visual metaphor for my posting.


Isn't that like 90% of their output?

You've got what, the footy cartoonist?

NotJustANumber99
Feb 15, 2012



Payndz posted:

The self-contradiction of this made my head spin. At the start: "There will be a Brexit deal with the EU! It is inevitable! Even Boris Johnson will see that!" At the end: "This deal will be atrocious! Pro-Brexit Tories will oppose it, and Labour shouldn't vote for it because it will damage Haircut Leader!"

I'm not seeing the contradiction?

Aphex-
Jan 29, 2006



Dinosaur Gum

Smart meters as a technology are a good thing, it's just the fact that privatisation has messed up the deployment of them because different companies used different technologies which weren't compatible for the first round, and then they've dragged their heels to bring out the newer ones which do actually work together (sometimes).

I do find the conspiracy theory that "smart meters will allow energy companies to charge you more" funny though. Incorrect bills from estimated reads create significantly more work and cost more money for energy companies, which is then passed on to the customer to offset that loss. I know a lot of people here seem to give reads every month and are responsible about it but unfortunately the vast majority of people are utterly poo poo with it and never submit reads, then complain when their estimates are wildly inaccurate.

As someone who works in an energy company, it's all dumb and there is literally no reason for this industry to be privatised. Everyone needs energy, it's just same poo poo different bucket.

peanut-
Feb 17, 2004


Fun Shoe

I submitted a request to move my power supply to my new place yesterday and there was a big warning in the process that if the new flat has a smart meter from another company it won't work.

Why would anyone have any faith in these things. I get the theoretical benefits but believing that whatever you get fitted now won't be dumped and non-functional within a decade is almost impossible.

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998




Toilet Rascal

A free market in electricity might make some sense if they were offering some different form of electricity. Edison is offering 120V DC, but Westinghouse is offering 240V AC, but Duracell is offering 1.5V DC, who won? You decide!

500 brokers offering the exact same poo poo from the exact same grid via a variety of different financial schemes makes no sense though.

NotJustANumber99
Feb 15, 2012



A decade lol? Brexit and corona, global over population and environmental collapse and asteroids and youre worried your smart meter might need replacing in ten years?

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Angrymog
Jan 29, 2012

Really Madcats



Going back to dentist chat, I reckon there's going to be some sort of 'Tooth-apocalypse' that can be tied back to this year; I can't be the only person who's not booking a checkup unless there's actual problems, right?

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