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Uncle Boogeyman
Jul 22, 2007



Thoughts on the three films I've seen:

Saw Trouble Every Day fairly recently so it's pretty fresh in my head. A deeply sad and absolutely vicious film. Hard watch. Vincent Gallo was never utilized better as an actor. One of the more artistically successful New French Extremity films I've seen, and maybe my favorite by Claire Denis, although it's so unpleasant that it's hard to imagine watching again. Basically a horror movie about being unable to help yourself or the ones you love, visualized in the most graphically upsetting terms.

The Faculty is still really fun! Feels unlike any other Robert Rodriguez movie, quippy '90s teen horror movie feels so outside his lane but he totally makes it work. Kevin Williamson is the good Joss Whedon.

Ghostbusters II is pretty bad but like, I'll watch it again.

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Uncle Boogeyman
Jul 22, 2007



could someone please prepare for me an edit of Doctor Sleep that is under two hours tia

Uncle Boogeyman
Jul 22, 2007



hell i'd settle for an edit that is just a different Ewan McGregor movie, maybe Shallow Grave

Uncle Boogeyman
Jul 22, 2007



MacheteZombie posted:

Careful a monekys paw somewhere might curl and give an attack of clones fan edit

I mean, the video of him learning the title is surely one of McGregor's best

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6klOn2DZ3fY

Uncle Boogeyman
Jul 22, 2007



I actually posted the wrong one, this is the one I was thinking of

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iwL8wlBMflA

Uncle Boogeyman
Jul 22, 2007



Shrecknet posted:

Just gonna repost why Saló is dumb from earlier:
Sure sounds like he's saying how weak the lumpenprole are
I'm not pulling it out of thin air, it's a valid and acknowledged reading.

I'm not passing a value judgement on Pausilini or Salo, just saying what I got out of it is it felt like a movie chastising the victims of fascism (everyday Italians) for not fighting back harder, for acquiescing.

gotta be honest I'm not seeing the relation between the quotes you picked out and your thesis at all, could you explain how you got from A to B?

Uncle Boogeyman
Jul 22, 2007



3 From Hell vs Incredible Shrinking Man is a great matchup. If you haven't seen Incredible Shrinking Man you might be surprised at how weird it gets. And 3 From Hell is a splatterpunk masterpiece.

Uncle Boogeyman
Jul 22, 2007



married but discreet posted:

3 From Hell
The Devilís Rejects is pretty much my number one horror movie that I know I should watch but I really donít want to see. Iíve liked all RZ movies Iíve seen (that includes H1KC) and the movie is universally acclaimed, so itís a huge hole in my horror knowledge. Still, I never wanted to see it, because deep down Iím a wuss. I really donít like movies with a certain streak of mean that the Firefly movies have. Just complete indulgence in evil, killing of random, innocent people, it ticks me off.
Plus, if thereís one thing that makes me uneasy in horror itís people getting murdered (yes laugh at this) in semi-realistic settings. No Country For Old Men or Sicario are terrifying, I get physically upset. If itís in a good movie, great, but I donít want it in my casual horror viewing. To my own surprise I LOVED H1KC, it just exudes a deranged energy and love for the genre, and the setting is weird enough that it made me able to bear what was going on. I know Devilís Rejects is more down to earth, so Iíve avoided it. Now, after watching 3 From Hell, yea Iíll go watch it ASAP. Donít get me wrong, this isnít an appraisal of the movie. Itís truly sad to see RZ make such a bad looking movie, and itís pretty vile overall. The violence made me physically upset as expected, but it didnít feel earned. But thereís something to it. Thereís glimpses of the Rob Zombie I love, like him letting Sid Haig absolutely steal the show, the kitty ballet, the sometimes colourful sets. And yes, the Fireflies are intriguing. I hate their glorification, the bad looks of having them go to Mexico and murder people while dressed as native americans (is this supposed to be some sort of metaphor?), theyíre gross but I want to see a better version of that movie. I guess that better movie exists, and if I managed to sit through 3 From Hell whatís stopping me from watching Devilís Rejects? So I guess in that sense Iím glad I saw the movie, if only to finally resolve my weird hangup about a different film.

I will say that while The Devil's Rejects is indeed a bit better than 3 From Hell, it is also way more unpleasant.

Uncle Boogeyman
Jul 22, 2007



Basebf555 posted:

I just have to come to terms with the fact that some people aren't gonna have the same unconditional love for Hammer that I do. It's painful to watch an icon like Fisher go out so early again.

Very few films that we've watched for these tournaments would have a chance against Lifeforce. It's only flaw is pacing, it has a lull in the middle. So to beat it you'd need a really tight, masterpiece level film and Brides of Dracula ain't that.

Counterargument: Brides of Dracula is, in fact, that.

Uncle Boogeyman
Jul 22, 2007



I may be off-consensus but I think Brides of Dracula is a fantastic Hammer movie. Tons of spooky atmosphere, excellently creepy villain performance by Martita Hunt, the god Peter Cushing getting some of his most badass moments, and an all-timer of a climax.

Yvonne Monlaur as the female lead is... really bad, I'll grant that. And David Peel is no Christopher Lee. But I fuckin love that movie. More than Lifeforce, which I also love. Good matchup.

Uncle Boogeyman
Jul 22, 2007



Also, Cronenberg is way better

Uncle Boogeyman
Jul 22, 2007



Basebf555 posted:

In fairness I have to say that I really did enjoy Brides of Dracula more this time around, maybe the company in the stream helped boost it. For one, Martita Hunt is fantastic as the mother of the boring villain. Without her, the movie would really fall on it's face because she carries the first act.

One of the most underrated Hammer performances ever.

Uncle Boogeyman
Jul 22, 2007



TrixRabbi posted:

Maybe it's just cause I didn't grow up with it and saw it as an adult but my controversial stance on Gremlins 2 is that it's good, but not great. Like, it's fun don't get me wrong, just I expected more from it.

Seconded. It's fun in the abstract and I'm glad it exists but I find it kind of exhausting. I prefer the kiddie-traumatizing menace of the first one.

Uncle Boogeyman
Jul 22, 2007



Servoret posted:

What does Possessor have to say?

Work sucks.

Uncle Boogeyman
Jul 22, 2007



To expand on my earlier post a bit, for me Possessor is a movie set in a very near future where even in the relatively high-class corporate world, work starts at a baseline of degrading (sitting in a row of people at a bay of computers watching people have sex all day) and quickly progresses to the realm of the literally dehumanizing (mind-raping people and forcing them to commit gruesome murders while yourself inhabiting their body and taking on a grotesque pantomime of suicide, or in the end, killing your entire family in front of your boss and liking it too, or at least having to pretend you do to a degree where ďliking itĒ and ďpretending toĒ are indistinguishable from each other). It is the ultimate tour-of-hell horror movie about the 2020 gig economy.

I also found the performances by Andrea Riseborough and especially Christopher Abbott to be absolutely harrowing.

Uncle Boogeyman
Jul 22, 2007



Evil Dead remake is nowhere near as good as any of the original trilogy, and while I agree with DDD that the script and every cast member that isn't Jane Levy completely sucks, her performance might be one of my favorite horror performances of the decade and overall I found the movie surprisingly enjoyable.

Uncle Boogeyman
Jul 22, 2007



Schumacher's Cats could've been great but I truly think The Phantom of the Opera features the most obnoxious songs the stage musical has to offer.

Uncle Boogeyman
Jul 22, 2007



I like and respect Jennifer's Body but Perfect Blue absolutely stomps it. Very neat matchup, though.

Uncle Boogeyman
Jul 22, 2007



I haven't seen Nuke Em High 2 but the first one owns

Uncle Boogeyman
Jul 22, 2007



Thatís a very good take on Troma, Fran.

Uncle Boogeyman
Jul 22, 2007



My girlfriend recently found out that if you send Lloyd Kaufman an 11x9 envelope, he'll send you back a free autograph, so now we have an autographed Toxic Avenger poster for our bathroom.

Uncle Boogeyman
Jul 22, 2007



"Edgelord" obviously carries with it a tone of judgement, but I think it's basically inarguable that Gaspar Noe is a provocateur. Of his movies that I've seen, I found the provocations in I Stand Alone to be pretty corny and stupid, the ones in Irreversible to be surprisingly thoughtful and well done, and the ones in Enter the Void to be a little of both.

Uncle Boogeyman
Jul 22, 2007



I think even calling Showgirls a thriller is a bit of a stretch, although you can argue that it grew out of the erotic thriller movement via Basic Instinct.

TrixRabbi posted:

Is Showgirls even a thriller though? It's a coming of age/sexploitation/industry drama. Like for me it's at the point where by this logic Casino is a horror movie.

it's basically an All About Eve remake

Uncle Boogeyman
Jul 22, 2007



STAC Goat posted:

But either way a bunch of people get to make the case for one of the "worst films of all time" is actually "great." And I will do my very best not to turn it into another week of me calling something "trash" and fighting the tide.

I mean the critical consensus has been that Showgirls is actually good for years now. If anything, "Showgirls is bad" is now the contrarian position.

Uncle Boogeyman
Jul 22, 2007



married but discreet posted:

Showgirls was always entertaining, it just came out at the Razzie award's height of power. If they deemed a movie "Bad", popular consensus was that it's bad.
I also remember Striptease with Demi Moore being quite good and flying over their idiot heads.

It was also, to be fair, a high profile box office bomb. And I think in addition to that, after Basic Instinct, a lot of people had the knives out for Esterhas and Verhoeven.

Franchescanado posted:

Also important to mention that Showgirls was smeared for trying to popularize the NC-17 rating. There was a puritanical campaign against it's attacks on decency.

This too.

Uncle Boogeyman
Jul 22, 2007



WeaponX posted:

Best way Iíve heard it put is that films like Robocop and Starship Troopers feature over-the-top, heightened, aggressive scenes of violence in both meaningful and exploitive ways and Showgirls is Verhoeven approaching sex in the same way.

And of course Basic Instinct is where you get to see him literally do both at once

Uncle Boogeyman
Jul 22, 2007



I don't think Nomi's meant to be sympathetic at all, she's a monster.

Uncle Boogeyman
Jul 22, 2007



STAC Goat posted:

That whole final sequence of her triumphantly kicking the rapist's rear end and then telling Molly she did it for her and getting an ok from Gershon and then ridiculously closing the circle of the film by getting picked up by the same driver all felt very "hero's end" to me and left a real bad taste in my mouth.

Well again, the satire is laid on so thick here it's hard to miss - she started the movie heading into Vegas, the heart of sin in America, and having burned through it in record time, only becoming a worse person with every lesson she learns, where does she have left to go? The City of Angels, the only place more depraved! It feels like the end to the hero's journey because it's a sick parody of it - which, to be fair, a bad taste in your mouth is not an invalid response to.

Uncle Boogeyman
Jul 22, 2007



TrixRabbi posted:

It is. It was really only to bump Zuwalski over the edge so it's really just him as a director. Also, I found one more Zuwalski that might qualify as it's listed as horror in several places, his film Szamanka. It's listed as horror on IMDb and Letterboxd, though the wiki plot didn't seem like it was necessarily a cut and dry horror film, more of a sexual thriller/mystery.

Anyway, it really only matters if he gets to the finals (though did anyone expect Ken Russell to win the whole thing at this point last time?) but Zuwalski's short a film due to the play-in. You can add that in there so he has the proper amount. I haven't seen it so can't vouch for quality or actual horror-ness.

Szamanka is actually the only Zulawski I've seen but I'd count it as a horror movie.

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Uncle Boogeyman
Jul 22, 2007



yeah I enjoyed both Prevenge and Sightseers quite a bit, Alice Lowe is cool

Uncle Boogeyman
Jul 22, 2007



Scanners and Black Lagoon are both excellent, pretty much a coin flip decision for me.

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Uncle Boogeyman
Jul 22, 2007



Death Proof rules and the extended version is better but it is not even remotely close to being as good as American Psycho, one of the best horror movies of the 21st century easily

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