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Franchescanado posted:I'm not going to defend Troma's sense of humor, because audiences and comedy evolves and things don't age well, and everyone's sense of humor is a unique amalgamation of tastes, and you have a right to be offended by what offends you. I will provide a context in that most Kaufman-helmed projects is that's kinda the point. They are outrageously offensive and vulgar on purpose. Troma's sense of humor isn't punching down, cuz they are a dirt-poor indie company, they are in the gutter. So I think of them as the drunk trying to fight and swinging fists wildly in all directions. There isn't any hatred in Troma's jokes, usually the jokes being lobbed are so stupid and tongue-in-cheek, they aren't to be taken seriously. I think the most hateful joke I've seen in a Troma film is directed at Spielberg and JAWS. They are angry at status quos, not individual weirdos. The rest are misfits making fun of other misfits. Yeah whenever Troma and it’s uh lack of tact comes up I can’t help but go back to this point- some gags are dumb, some are tasteless, many are unfunny, but none are serious. I don’t want to watch many Troma films and I dislike most of them but I am grateful they exist because who am I to tell Kaufman what is on or off the table? Their entire existence is low budget DIY punk trash, they don’t just dip into that every once and a while to maintain their anti-establishment status, they exist entirely in the bottom of the barrel and they simply are incapable of punching down in a meaningful way. WeaponX fucked around with this message at 17:38 on Apr 2, 2021 |
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Apr 2, 2021 16:27
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This comes up constantly but contextualizing the albeit tasteless world of Troma that has 100s of films and 40+ years of material that support its status as pure-camp with nearly zero malice is not some sort of defense of bigotry or the quality of those films. Troma, like it or not, has given a platform for many marginalized or ignored artists long before mainstream film companies were willing to and they have the history to prove it- that’s important context, not an excuse, when discussing its brand of offensive humor. Comparing Troma to something like 4chan, which has actually resulted in real life violence and horrible, horrible poo poo is a bad faith argument. And again, I think Troma movies are poo poo!
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Apr 6, 2021 22:44
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STAC Goat posted:Like I don't know how to take "Pissing people off, I discovered, is one of the few satisfying things on this forsaken planet" in any way but "an edgelord's intent is filled with cynicism and meant to make the target feel bad and outraged." You are missing the part where that quote comes in the context of pissing off his Yale classmates. The “people” in that quote are those with incredible privilege and power and I think Kaufman gets off on making those people squirm. Making them feel hypocritical or forcing them to look at things they ignore. He is not saint, I just don’t think edgelord is fair- especially with how dangerous those people are today.
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Apr 6, 2021 22:55
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STAC Goat posted:But who's he pissing off making transphobic and racist jokes? I'm just having a hard time wrapping my mind around this. Its one thing to justify trolling bad people, but when you're punching down how does that match if not that he just likes pissing off whoever he can? Don’t apologize- your opinion on Troma is a valuable as anyone else’s. I’ll just say that I can’t really speak for how people of those groups feel about racist or transphobic jokes. My main point remains that for a film company that has released films directed by openly gay and trans filmmakers going back 30 years, on top of giving voices to those ignored by mainstream film for various reasons, deserves some benefit of doubt and examination. You have clearly given Troma more examination than most would and I applaud you for that.
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Apr 6, 2021 23:20
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Franchescanado posted:One thing that's sticking out to me is that hasn't been discussed is the whole culture in comedy for roasting, and part of Troma is that they roast everybody. Just like how Don Rickles made a career as a comedian who roasted the audience. You bought a ticket, you go to the show, and he's gonna find you in the crowd and make fun of you. You get embarrassed and/or you laugh along. Then he picks another person from the audience and the spotlight is off of you, and then you get to breathe easy and the next person gets made fun of while you laugh at them. Yeah I keep coming back to the point that I can’t just assume these groups don’t want to see jokes about themselves that I may personally find offensive on their behave. Would they see me “sparring” them from that patronizing? Especially when it’s Troma and not a multi-million dollar Hollywood film appropriating or mocking marginalized groups? I don’t have the answer to this. All I have is the context the Troma is not at all mainstream, is mostly viewed by those who are already considered “alternative” by most of society, and seem to have the intention to preserve the right to do whatever you want on film more than the intention to purposely denigrate those that make up their audience. That’s where I give them the benefit of the doubt but that’s just me, others with more perspective may certainly feel different.
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Apr 7, 2021 00:18
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Tarnop posted:e: oh yeah and volume 2 went on general release in 2019 and features, as god, Ron Jeremy, a man who at that time was the subject of 20+ credible accusations of rape and sexual assault. How punk. Nobody is saying Troma is “punk” because they give jobs to Ron Jeremy, you do know who produced Cursed right?
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Apr 7, 2021 14:39
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STAC Goat posted:Isn't it kind of possible and even likely that Troma might have been "punk" 40 years ago but now they're just old dudes who still think Ron Jeremy is cool? Sure but I’m less concerned about what Lloyd Kaufman thinks is cool today and more appreciative that he gives his money and resources to many DIY projects- like a film in 2016 literally described as “a queer body horror punk musical”. That’s not 40 years ago. Again I’m not trying to defend Troma’s lovely behavior- almost every production company is full of evil fucks doing evil things. I’m just trying to point out why some people may still appreciate Troma’s existence in the film world. WeaponX fucked around with this message at 15:07 on Apr 7, 2021 |
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Apr 7, 2021 14:58
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Debbie Does Dagon posted:I have hope! My filthy, stinky, nasty friends won't let me down. Porco Rosso is such a fun, charming little old-Hollywood style adventure. It’s so pretty and often silly and even as a rare Miyazaki film set in real clear time and place it still manages to that setting magical. Never thought I’d want to spend so much time hanging out with an anthropomorphic pig and some plane flying pirates in pre-WW2 Italy. Super underrated.
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Apr 8, 2021 18:52
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STAC Goat posted:But I think Verhoeven betrays that because no one else is doing that and the film itself has a very grounded tone. So Nomi just stands out as this crazy person. Not sure I’ve ever heard someone say Showgirls has a grounded tone...everyone from Kyle MacLachlan to Gina Gershon are playing it big. I mean this is the film with the immortal line, “must be nice not having anybody cum on ya”. I think there is plenty of crazy to go around. Best way I’ve heard it put is that films like Robocop and Starship Troopers feature over-the-top, heightened, aggressive scenes of violence in both meaningful and exploitive ways and Showgirls is Verhoeven approaching sex in the same way.
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Apr 27, 2021 01:10
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STAC Goat posted:Everyone's kind of nuts and the dialogue is all... big. But I think everyone else is like acting more or less like a person. A sleazy, gross person but a person. Nomi's over her pulling knives on people and yelling at everyone and flailing about and eating hamburgers real weird. Nomi is definitely the most heightened but I’m ok with that, she is our “Eve”. I just don’t think it stands out that much in the hosed up world of Showgirls
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Basebf555 posted:I voted Tingler as well. I never quite understood the thread's overwhelming affection for Miike, I voted against him a few times. Because Miike is great
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