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TrixRabbi
Aug 20, 2010

Time for a little robot chauvinism!



STAC Goat posted:

In the name of balance if Spielberg has Jurassic Park he probably get gets Lost World too, no?

Nom still holds valid even with that. That's the perfect 5+5 team.

Spielberg also has Something Evil, which is largely overlooked.

I don't have time to make full submissions at this minute but here was my list of directors who were completely excluded from the 64-person bracket last time:

Andrzej Żuławski, Eli Roth, William Friedkin, Lloyd Kaufman, M. Night Shyamalan, Gore Verbinski, Jesus Franco, Jean Rollin, Ruggero Deodato, Jen & Sylvia Soska, Ben Wheatley, Charles Band, Herbert L. Strock, Fred Olen Ray, Richard Stanley, Shinya Tsukamoto, Joe D'Amato, Hideo Nakata, Takashi Shimizu, Sergio Martino, Tom Holland, Roy Ward Baker, Andy Milligan, Uwe Boll, Richard Franklin, Anthony C. Ferrante, Joe Begos, Amando de Ossorio, Norman J. Warren, Al Adamson, Robert Fuest, Steven Spielberg, Ted Nicolaou, Mark Jones, Nigel Bach, Adam Green, Stephen Sommers, Freddie Francis, Hélène Cattet and Bruno Forzani, Jan Svankmajer, Robert Harmonl José Mojica Marins, Freddie Frances

Personally I find the Teams function a little weird and unwieldy but if everyone else wants it then who am I to argue. My pitch was to choose 32 newcomers and 32 Second Chance directors who were eliminated in the first or second rounds last time, but this works too.

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TrixRabbi
Aug 20, 2010

Time for a little robot chauvinism!



Ok, choosing a few weirdos to toss in here for some true Anything Can Happen action:

Al Adamson

Blood of Dracula's Castle
Horror of the Blood Monsters
Dracula vs. Frankenstein
Brain of Blood
Blood of Ghastly Horror
Doctor Dracula

Andy Milligan

The Ghastly Ones (aka Blood Rites)
Bloodthirsty Butchers
The Rats Are Coming! The Werewolves Are Here!
The Man with Two Heads
Legacy of Blood
House of Seven Belles
Carnage
The Weirdo
Surgikill

Shinya Tsukamoto

Tetsuo, the Iron Man
Tetsuo II: Body Hammer
Tetsuo, the Bullet Man
Hiruko the Goblin
Gemini
Haze
Nightmare Detective

Freddie Francis

Paranoiac
The Evil of Frankenstein
Nightmare
Dr. Terror's House of Horrors
The Skull
The Deadly Bees
Torture Garden
Dracula Has Risen from the Grave
Trog
Mumsy, Nanny, Sonny and Girly
Tales from the Crypt (1972)
The Creeping Flesh
Son of Dracula
The Ghoul
Legend of the Werewolf
The Doctor and the Devils
Dark Tower

Fred Olen Ray

Demented Death Farm Massacre
The Brain Leeches
Alien Dead
Scalps
Biohazard
Deep Space
Beverly Hills Vamp
Hollywood Chainsaw Hookers
Billy Frankenstein
Tomb of the Werewolf

Uwe Boll

Amoklauf
Sanctimony
House of the Dead
Alone in the Dark
BloodRayne
BloodRayne II: Deliverance
Seed
BloodRayne: The Third Reich

Jan Svankmajer

Alice
Faust
Conspirators of Pleasure
Little Otik
Lunacy
Insects

José Mojica Marins

At Midnight I'll Take Your Soul
This Night I'll Possess Your Corpse
The Strange World of Coffin Joe
Awakening of the Beast
The Bloody Exorcism of Coffin Joe
Hellish Flesh
Hallucinations of a Deranged Mind
Embodiment of Evil

M. Night Shyamalan

The Sixth Sense
Signs
The Village
The Happening
The Visit
Split

TrixRabbi fucked around with this message at 03:33 on Dec 8, 2020

TrixRabbi
Aug 20, 2010

Time for a little robot chauvinism!



Tarnop posted:

You beautiful, beautiful goon

We gotta spice it up for the sequel!

TrixRabbi
Aug 20, 2010

Time for a little robot chauvinism!



Amando de Ossorio

Malenka, the Vampire's Niece
Tombs of the Blind Dead
Return of the Blind Dead
The Ghost Galleon
Demon Witch Child
Night of the Seagulls

Jesus Franco

The Diabolical Dr. Z
Necronomicon (aka Succubus)
The Bloody Judge
Count Dracula
Vampyros Lesbos
A Virgin Among the Living Dead
Female Vampire
Jack the Ripper
Devil Hunter
Oasis of the Zombies

TEAM: Andrzej Żuławski & Other Poles

The Third Part of the Night
The Devil
Possession
On the Silver Globe
Mother Joan of the Angels (directed by Jerzy Kawalerowicz)
The Beast (directed by Walerian Borowczyk)

TrixRabbi
Aug 20, 2010

Time for a little robot chauvinism!



Debbie Does Dagon posted:

Team: Deb Tricks You Into Watching Porn

Directors: Bruce LaBruce, Alain Guiraudie, Walerian Borowczyk, Carlos Atanes

(Bruce LaBruce)
Otto; or, Up With Dead People

(Alain Guiraudie)
Stranger by the Lake

(Walerian Borowczyk)
The Beast
The Strange Case of Dr. Jekyll and Miss Osbourne

(Carlos Atanes)
Maximum Shame
Gallino, the Chicken System

Along with Jean Rollin and Jesus Franco I feel like this is gonna be a horror-softcore heavy tournament this time around.

I know there's a lot of heavy hitters who got eliminated early last time (Carpenter, Craven, Argento, etc.) who need another chance but I'd be down to exclude directors who made it to the third round or higher entirely (Cronenberg, Lynch, etc.) just to give more space to weirdos and obscurities.

edit: For reference, that would be Takashi Miike, Stuart Gordon, George Romero, Ishiro Honda, Bong Joon-ho, Chuck Russell, Ari Aster, Brian Yuzna, Ridley Scott, David Lynch, Sam Raimi, David Cronenberg, Alfred Hitchcock, Peter Jackson, Guillermo del Toro, Ken Russell and Larry Cohen. Not sure how people feel about that, but it would certainly ensure this tournament has a different feel with an emphasis on new or underexplored names.

TrixRabbi fucked around with this message at 15:15 on Dec 8, 2020

TrixRabbi
Aug 20, 2010

Time for a little robot chauvinism!



As much as I have an aversion to anime I'm all for getting some more in here.

Part of the reason I'm lobbying for excluding directors who made it to at least the third round is I don't want us to be pitching all these obscure and offbeat directors only for them to get tossed in seed voting for a bracket that more or less looks the same as last time but with different movies. Like, I love a lot of those directors and there's a lot of good stuff they didn't get to play, but since this is also functioning as a gamified Film Club I think it's more fun to emphasize new and weird poo poo.

Plus, we'll definitely still have folks like Carpenter and Craven around to balance things out.

TrixRabbi
Aug 20, 2010

Time for a little robot chauvinism!



Since The Beast got added to my Zuwalski's list and Debbie's porn list, maybe swap it out on mine for Zuwalski's Cosmos which I haven't seen but is more of a surreal thriller. I've read the book, which certainly has some grim imagery in it.

TrixRabbi
Aug 20, 2010

Time for a little robot chauvinism!



All good. Yeah, Zuwalski with five + a guest film, and then The Beast stays on Debbie's team is best outcome.

For what it's worth, I did not check the availability of those early Zuwalskis before submitting.

TrixRabbi
Aug 20, 2010

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When do we begin winnowing down these submissions into a final bracket?

TrixRabbi
Aug 20, 2010

Time for a little robot chauvinism!



An awkward pairing but I'm assuming the natural partner for Reitman, John Landis, is gonna be persona non grata again.

Spoof Comedy

Ivan Reitman

Cannibal Girls
Ghostbusters
Ghostbusters II

Mel Brooks

Young Frankenstein
High Anxiety
Dracula: Dead and Loving It

TrixRabbi
Aug 20, 2010

Time for a little robot chauvinism!



As much as John Landis sucks, his crime was more criminal negligence. It's not like he wanted or meant to kill those people, but it was a result of his actions. That is in no way an excuse, he should have faced a much steeper punishment. But like, I can still watch American Werewolf without feeling queasy.

Polanski, well that's a bit different. He knew what he was doing. gently caress him, Rosemary's Baby ain't worth it.

TrixRabbi
Aug 20, 2010

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Jeepers Creepers ain't worth it.

TrixRabbi
Aug 20, 2010

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Debbie Does Dagon posted:

I think with Landis and Polanski they're also already recognisable names, with filmographies full of well-worn classics. They don't need this thread to highlight their work. So for me they're not only lovely people, they're also taking up a spot that would be better used to explore a less well-known director/team.

This is the correct take.

TrixRabbi
Aug 20, 2010

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For my pick, since this will ensure they're included in the bracket, I'll go with the Japanese body horror master Shinya Tsukamoto.

edit: I misread the instructions

TrixRabbi
Aug 20, 2010

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Looks like we've got a nice geographical setup again for the divisions:

America: Carpenter/Craven
Japan: Miike/Tsukamoto
Italy: Argento/Bava (again!)

TrixRabbi
Aug 20, 2010

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I mean, is there much doubt who Burkion will choose?

TrixRabbi
Aug 20, 2010

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I favored directors over teams but minimized directors who appeared in the previous tournament, although there's a few who I feel didn't get a fair shake last time who I'd like to see come back for another chance (Kiyoshi Kurosawa for one).

TrixRabbi
Aug 20, 2010

Time for a little robot chauvinism!



Oddly enough I've been thinking of rewatching Salo for awhile. Something something the rising tide of fascism.

Also I got a Pitch. STAC Goat -- What if, assuming there are any a the end of voting, one or two of the directors that received exactly Zero votes gets a slot in the play-ins? For a total wildcard we choose at random one of the directors nobody wanted. Alternatively, the director with the least amount of votes. The "Hey, Why Don't We Give 'em A Chance" competitor.

TrixRabbi fucked around with this message at 15:44 on Dec 16, 2020

TrixRabbi
Aug 20, 2010

Time for a little robot chauvinism!



It's been a long time since I've seen it but I never got that sense from it. Honestly, the gross stuff wasn't what got to me, I have a strong enough stomach. I just find it an overwhelmingly sad film that exemplifies the powerlessness the victims of fascism endure.

TrixRabbi
Aug 20, 2010

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Goddamn that is a good av

TrixRabbi
Aug 20, 2010

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Oh yeah, I can vouch for Attack of the Crab Monsters. Good poo poo, vote for Corman and maybe it will get to duke it out in this tournament.

TrixRabbi
Aug 20, 2010

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Miike won his division! He's a champion.

TrixRabbi
Aug 20, 2010

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STAC Goat posted:

...

Half Human: The Story of the Abominable Snowman

...

Next I need to make sense of Charles Band.

Isn't this also just the same movie cut differently as the Half Human we watched?

TrixRabbi
Aug 20, 2010

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I feel like Baghead should be on that team.

TrixRabbi
Aug 20, 2010

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I'm sorry Shrecknet but that is a godawful take. I mean, it is a conceptual mood piece but it's one that is so overwhelming in its eerieness and sadness. I haven't seen it since it was in theaters -- good god almost seven years ago now. That one "POP" (if you've seen the movie you know what I mean) is maybe one of the scariest things I've ever seen in a film.

And then I just recently watched Corona Zombies. Look, it's almost certainly not gonna win but I will say it got a few actual laughs out of me and some day that thing is going to be a weird rear end time capsule of a very specific month in history. Like if you ever want to reflect on the immediate days of the pandemic before we knew we were supposed to wear masks but after toilet paper had gone out of stock that's the movie. It's the only Charles Band film I've ever seen lmao.

TrixRabbi
Aug 20, 2010

Time for a little robot chauvinism!



Shrecknet posted:

I don't begrudge a movie being slow - Lake Mungo is absolutely glacial and it's one of my all-time favorites - but a movie being boring I cannot abide. Once we get the concept (alien come to earth to steal all our men's precious fluids) it's another hour of aimless driving and mumblecore dialog until something interesting happens again.

It is a bad movie because it is a boring, padded slog with only the barest of bones of plot or character to hang its hat on. Hard no on being forced to watch more garbage from a creator who doesn't appear to know how to make a movie.

If it was a 1 hour Masters of Horror episode, I'd probably like it a lot more.

I will say the way you're talking about Under the Skin it makes it sound like you wanted something plot oriented when this is very much not what the film is about. Like, you're talking about padding as if this is a film about getting from point A to point B and not an allegory about feeling like an alien in your own skin and failure to connect with others.

TrixRabbi
Aug 20, 2010

Time for a little robot chauvinism!



Shrecknet posted:

yes this is what films are
which is why I hated it.

TrixRabbi
Aug 20, 2010

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Still gotta say it, even if you hate everything else Noe has done, Climax is legit great even if not entirely free of his problematic poo poo. But there's no animal slaughter.

TrixRabbi
Aug 20, 2010

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Yeah, its most grueling moment happens off screen and most of the time it's just an immensely fun movie. Oops, Noe made a crowd pleaser.

TrixRabbi
Aug 20, 2010

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I mean, Lars von Trier made a workplace comedy once.

TrixRabbi
Aug 20, 2010

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The Von Trier I'd suggest for people who don't like Von Trier is Europa. It's a Kafkaesque story dealing with the aftermath of WWII but its sensibilities are closer to something like Terry Gilliam's Brazil. Plus it's got a great cast of Euro-favorite character actors like Max Von Sydow, Barbara Sukowa, Udo Kier and Eddie Constantine.

The Five Obstructions is also a fun watch.

TrixRabbi
Aug 20, 2010

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The thing about Antichrist is that it is at least a legit good film with great performances. Like, I don't think it'd be talked about in nearly the same way if it didn't have substance. However, it's been closing in on a decade since I watched it so I may need to refresh myself at some point.

TrixRabbi
Aug 20, 2010

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There's a tendency to want to dismiss them as primitive provocateurs but they're both very talented artists who succeed in making you feel like poo poo because they actually are hitting at dark truths about humanity and life. But also, both can be incredibly funny at the same time. I'd argue a good number of Von Trier's films in particular are comedies.

TrixRabbi
Aug 20, 2010

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I've definitely been too busy to watch stuff, and thus will be defaulting to Under the Skin and I Stand Alone. Unless there's a silent majority seems like that's the trend.

I wish Shyamalan had gotten a better shot.

TrixRabbi
Aug 20, 2010

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I haven’t seen Mother Joan of the Angels, though gotta admit its a little annoying that the point of that team was to get Zuwalski in the tournament and now he’s riding on the one add-on. Fingers crossed.

TrixRabbi
Aug 20, 2010

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With Mother Joan squeaking by the rest of that team is just Zuwalski, who really should have been in the first tournament on his own but got forgotten.

TrixRabbi
Aug 20, 2010

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Really weird seeing everyone dunk on Zombie when it's a pretty solid movie. Like, is it great? No. But it's good! It's gooey and violent and a zombie fights a shark and it ends with a fantastic fire setpiece.

TrixRabbi
Aug 20, 2010

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STAC Goat posted:

"French directors love killing horses" is like the last theme I expected to develop from this.

Haneke's Austrian but maybe working in French is what drove him to do it.

TrixRabbi
Aug 20, 2010

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Gonna make some enemies today: Ghostbusters is just eh and Ghostbuster II is bad. I realize this is my team I submitted, and I do think they have a role in this tournament and deserve to compete. But, like, 2 in particular is fairly dull, unfunny and poorly paced.

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TrixRabbi
Aug 20, 2010

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Ghostwatch is a fuckin' masterpiece. I need to watch Audrey Rose, but Ghostwatch is a truly terrifying, amazing work.

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