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Debbie Does Dagon
Jul 8, 2005





Team Name: Queer as in gently caress You

Directors: Yann Gonzalez, Bertrand Mandico, Hélène Cattet/Bruno Forzani, Alejandro Jodorowsky, Nikos Nikolaidis

Films:

Knife + Heart
Les garçons sauvages
The Strange Color of You Body's Tears
Amer
Santa Sangre
Singapore Sling

Possible nitpicks:

Let the Corpses Tan - which is a thriller
See You in Hell, My Darling - which is very hard to find

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Debbie Does Dagon
Jul 8, 2005





married but discreet posted:

We watched Cattet/Forzani for the last tournament, didn't we?

We didn't, they didn't even get through the nominations process

Debbie Does Dagon
Jul 8, 2005





Lloyd Kaufman

The Toxic Avenger
The Toxic Avenger Part II
The Toxic Avenger Part III: The Last Temptation of Toxie
Citizen Toxie: The Toxic Avenger IV
Class of Nuke 'Em High
Return to Nuke ’Em High Volume 1
Return to… Return to Nuke ’Em High AKA Vol. 2
Tromeo & Juliet
Poultrygeist: Night of the Chicken Dead
Terror Firmer
Parts of the Family

Debbie Does Dagon
Jul 8, 2005





Team: The NYC Grime Connection
(Frank Henenlotter, and Abel Ferrara)

(Frank Henenlotter)
Basket Case
Basket Case 2
Brain Damage
Frankenhooker
Bad Biology

(Abel Ferrara)
Ms. 45
Driller Killer
Body Snatchers

If Abel loses because of Bad Biology, I apologise unreservedly.

Debbie Does Dagon
Jul 8, 2005





Tarnop posted:

The Shining?

I'd say A Clockwork Orange and Eyes Wide Shut are both horror films

Debbie Does Dagon
Jul 8, 2005





Tarnop posted:

Steven Spielberg - Jaws

Spielberg needs Duel and some big dinos rolled up in there too.

Debbie Does Dagon
Jul 8, 2005





I would like to see the heavy hitters make a return. Obviously Russell won't be returning as he doesn't have any films left, but I'd love to explore more Miike films, especially seeing as repeats won't be an issue.

Debbie Does Dagon
Jul 8, 2005





STAC Goat posted:

Incidentally I was thinking with "availability" that we might have like a 24 period with each round if somethig isn't available for it to be redrawn from the pool. That struck me when I was adding these ones like Argento and Corman that have so many options. It occurred to me some of them will be hard to find but it should be easy to identify that quickly and just "reroll" since there's such a large pool.

This is a great call. I think it would also be a big help if, not now, but if those of us making teams could take the time to investigate the availability of their choices, that would be a great help. I plan on continuing to stream the films as they come up, so I will be very grateful to know about any potential problem films in advance.

Debbie Does Dagon
Jul 8, 2005





Team: Silent Scream

Directors: FW Murnau, Robert Wiene, Teinosuke Kinugasa

(FW Murnau)
Nosferatu

(Robert Wiene)
The Cabinet of Dr. Caligari
The Hands of Orlac
Genuine
Fear

(Teinosuke Kinugasa)
A Page of Madness

Debbie Does Dagon
Jul 8, 2005





STAC Goat posted:

Everyone preferred keeping the movie draws secret last time so I figured I'd do the same here, but I'm happy to keep you in the loop however ahead of time you want to be.

That would be wonderful, thank you. I don't think we need to have the entire tournament set in stone from the beginning, but having notice a week or two prior would be a tremendous help for me.

Debbie Does Dagon
Jul 8, 2005





Tarnop posted:


Showgirls

Debbie Does Dagon
Jul 8, 2005





Team: Family Friendly

Directors: Henry Selick, Hayao Miyazaki

(Henry Selick)
Nightmare Before Christmas
Coraline
Monkey Bones

(Hayao Miyazaki)
Nausicaä of the Valley of the Wind
Princess Mononoke
Spirited Away

Debbie Does Dagon fucked around with this message at 23:17 on Dec 7, 2020

Debbie Does Dagon
Jul 8, 2005





I would like to suggest pairing Hitchcock with James Whale based on the level of humour present in both directors films. I understand that there's a bit of competition for Whale though, so I don't want to snatch him up without getting a second opinion.

My list for Hitchcock would be as follows

(Hitchcock)
Psycho
Shadow of a Doubt
Frenzy
Rear Window
Rope

Debbie Does Dagon
Jul 8, 2005





I'm fine with Tarnop choosing one of the pair, in the interests of keeping things light and breezy

Debbie Does Dagon
Jul 8, 2005





Irony.or.Death posted:

That is a nice succinct way of phrasing my objection to it. Good , well done.

Edit: My nomination, because how could we not do it? The numbers are perfect. It's destiny.

Team David:

David Cronenberg
1. The Brood
2. Scanners
3. Dead Zone
4. Existenz

David Lynch
5. Eraserhead
6. Mulholland Drive

Can we please add Naked Lunch to this list

Debbie Does Dagon
Jul 8, 2005





Team: Deb Tricks You Into Watching Porn

Directors: Bruce LaBruce, Alain Guiraudie, Walerian Borowczyk, Carlos Atanes

(Bruce LaBruce)
Otto; or, Up With Dead People

(Alain Guiraudie)
Stranger by the Lake

(Walerian Borowczyk)
The Beast
The Strange Case of Dr. Jekyll and Miss Osbourne

(Carlos Atanes)
Maximum Shame
Gallino, the Chicken System

Debbie Does Dagon
Jul 8, 2005





Franchescanado posted:

This team is genius.



Yesterdays Piss posted:

Otherwise, I'm swapping it for Satoshi Kon's Perfect Blue, and your chances of being exposed to a dreaded anime are doubled. Choose wisely!

I would actually love your help in constructing a whole anime team, or bringing forward a few horror anime directors. Let's make fools of this thread's reticence.

Debbie Does Dagon
Jul 8, 2005





TrixRabbi posted:

Part of the reason I'm lobbying for excluding directors who made it to at least the third round is I don't want us to be pitching all these obscure and offbeat directors only for them to get tossed in seed voting for a bracket that more or less looks the same as last time but with different movies. Like, I love a lot of those directors and there's a lot of good stuff they didn't get to play, but since this is also functioning as a gamified Film Club I think it's more fun to emphasize new and weird poo poo.

My only aversion to this, is the idea of losing Miike. I think he's unique in that he's simultaneously divisive and yet undeniably talented. Even though he made it to the final, he's still a weirdo outlier in my heart.

Debbie Does Dagon
Jul 8, 2005





I think with Landis and Polanski they're also already recognisable names, with filmographies full of well-worn classics. They don't need this thread to highlight their work. So for me they're not only lovely people, they're also taking up a spot that would be better used to explore a less well-known director/team.

Debbie Does Dagon
Jul 8, 2005





Team: Bon Appetit!

Directors: Marc Caro, Park Chul-soo, Galder Gaztelu-Urrutia, György Pálfi, Peter Greenaway, Pier Paolo Pasolini

Films:

(Marc Caro)
Delicatessen

(Park Chul-soo)
301/302

(Galder Gaztelu-Urrutia)
The Platform

(György Pálfi)
Taxidermia

(Peter Greenaway)
The Cook, the Thief, His Wife & Her Lover

(Pier Paolo Pasolini)
Salò, or the 120 Days of Sodom

Debbie Does Dagon
Jul 8, 2005





M_Sinistrari posted:

Just looking at those lists, the watch gatherings will be incredible if we do them.

Nothing will stop the streams. Not even my death. My corpse will spontaneously reanimate in order to show you all Borowczyk's The Beast.

Debbie Does Dagon
Jul 8, 2005





My nod goes to Takashi Miike, I don't know what else he has in the tank, but he's a juggernaut and deserves the high seed.

Hopefully you all aren't going to break my heart again for being sensible. Do the right thing and vote Queer as in gently caress You, or I'll be sad (I'll get over it, and also be sad)

Debbie Does Dagon fucked around with this message at 19:43 on Dec 14, 2020

Debbie Does Dagon
Jul 8, 2005





I voted. I favoured teams over directors just to keep a fresh and curated feel to the tournament

Debbie Does Dagon
Jul 8, 2005





Irony.or.Death posted:

That was harder than I thought it was going to be with 40 votes. Made some painful cuts based on a combination of desperation + already knowing I can't find half the films the team is putting up and my schedule these days doesn't really work for group streams (sorry Deb + porn, blame Carlos Atanes).

That's perfectly fair. I will say though that Atanes is the least explicit director on that list. I also put Salo on another team, I don't look forward to watching that again, let alone streaming it. Actually what am I saying, please vote for all of my teams, they're all perfect and irreproachable

Debbie Does Dagon
Jul 8, 2005





I love your bracket colour schemes, they're so pretty

Debbie Does Dagon
Jul 8, 2005





I feel truly honoured to have your trust, and rest assured, in the event of anything happening, which I hope from the bottom of my heart that it won't, this tournament will be a complete shambles under my reign, but it will continue nonetheless.

Debbie Does Dagon
Jul 8, 2005





I would like to thank the seventeen of you who voted for Queer as in gently caress You, and I would like to question what the eleven of you who voted for Team Deb Tricks You Into Watching Porn were thinking.

Debbie Does Dagon
Jul 8, 2005





Basebf555 posted:

Yea I belong to a porn discussion club on a totally different forum and it's important to keep those two worlds separate.

My DMs are open, just saying. Don't bogart the hot porn forum

Debbie Does Dagon
Jul 8, 2005





That's all great work! You should really be proud. This all looks like it's going to be an amazingly fun and hard-fought tournament. I'm also looking forward to swatting Larry Cohen out in the first round.

Debbie Does Dagon
Jul 8, 2005





I did consider streaming tonight, but I am severely hungover, so tomorrow from 7pm EST! I'll finish with Last Cannibal World, so people can skip the minutes upon minutes of animal cruelty, racism, and children pissing, if they would rather not see that. And as always, if anyone needs a film reshown, I am yours to command.

Debbie Does Dagon
Jul 8, 2005





First Bracketology 2021 Stream!
Only on the CineD Discord



Jan 2nd starting at 7pm EST I will be streaming the three films from the first play-in round.
All times are in EST and may not represent reality.

1900 Urban Legends: Bloody Mary
2045 Silver Bullets
2205 Last Cannibal World

Thank you so much to Tarnop for the assistance! I couldn't have done it without you.

Debbie Does Dagon
Jul 8, 2005





Three films are a lot to discuss, so allow me to dispose of the least interesting immediately. Urban Legend: Bloody Mary is not a good film in any regard, the only praiseworthy things I could say are that there is a nugget of an entertaining film buried in there somewhere. Between the yawn-worthy predictable plot, the terrible performances, the baffling logic motivating these "urban legend" inspired kills, the unengaging characters, and most importantly how dull the whole proceeding is, there's something there. If this was a film about the Grace character attempting to solve the mystery of her friend's death, whilst the faces of those around her erupted with spiders, that might be an entertaining film. You would actually need a whole new set of writers though, because regardless of how charismatic Tina Lifford's performance is, she still needs lines which don't make her sound like a racist caricature.

Moving on to Last Cannibal World, this is a film which does a few interesting things and plays with the expectations and the stomachs of its audience, which I can respect. It, however, does so in a way which is deeply racist, deeply colonialist, deeply misogynistic, and treats animals and the natural world with a level of disrespect that approaches, broaches, and exceeds what I would call criminality. I was planning on being more fair and even-handed, but gently caress it, let's actually discuss the issues.

First, the animal cruelty, which is extreme. There are multiple, multiple animals killed on-screen during the runtime of this film, often in ways that deeply distress the animals, leave them mangled, and in pain, often taking an excruciatingly long amount of time to complete, and sometimes death isn't even the result, the result is simply a struggle or a beating. Now you could claim that most of the kills, I'm not going to go back and check, are performed by local people in presumably traditional ways. A crocodile or alligator, I don't pretend to be an expert, is stabbed in the brain, and a knife is run down its side in order to free the innards. The fact that these acts exist in the world, or even that they exist on camera, is not what distresses me. What distresses me is that the filmmakers orchestrated the circumstances in which this occurred, and presented the footage in the context of entertainment. What is entertaining about a distressed animal? Forget the nature of the acts, why should we wish to fund or reward filmmakers who think tying a bird in an enclosed space and having a man slap-it is entertainment? Additional to this, we must ask what the film is trying to say by positioning this animal cruelty at the forefront, which leads me to my second point.

Second, the film is atrociously racist. We begin with a scrawl claiming that these indigenous people are primitive cave-people, we are then presented with a picture of them which would cause the makers of Birth of a Nation to blush. The filmmakers would like us to believe that indigenous hunter-gatherer groups are childlike savages, who do not understand the fact that they have fingers, let alone the world around them, and that the whole culture exists only to brutally dispatch everything they come into contact with. This unwavering frame is carried forward through the film, culminating in our hero correctively raping an indigenous girl, after which she becomes servile to him, and is introduced to the "superior" white methods of wilderness survival, which hilariously seems to amount to bleeding to death in a cave anyway. We the receive some bizarre fantasy of our hero taking revenge on the indigenous people after they cannibalise the girl he was raping and had kidnapped.

I feel I've spoken enough on Last Cannibal World. I honestly meant to give a more balanced appraisal, but I guess it wasn't in me, unfortunately. Moving on to our winner, Silver Bullets. This is perhaps my first Mumblecore film, and I have to say I was pleasantly surprised. I was expecting a very low-grade student film, with terrible, directionless and boring improv, and a story that does nothing but aggrandize a few egos. Instead, I felt like the film used its understated aesthetic to deliver some surprisingly poignant emotional moments, some surrealist subtext, and a story arc that felt powerful, relatable, but also fantastic.

Silver Bullets presents a story of a group of loosely collaborating filmmakers who are attempting to piece together a low-budget werewolf movie called Silver Bullets. Layered on top of this is the emotional drama of the filmmaking couple, who struggle through issues of infidelity, emotional neglect, and emotional abuse. All of this is shown very simply through character interaction, naturalistic dialogue, and the juxtaposition of images. Creeping into the film however are these moments of surreal horror, the most obvious of which is a dance sequence, in which the lead female character morphs into a werewolf, and enacts a struggle with her partner for the emotional attention she craves. This lycanthropy is contracted after exposure to a person who is receptive, emotionally available, and treats her with respect. It’s such a wonderful metaphor, and one I’m not sure I’ve seen before. To say this film was a pleasant surprise, which resonated with me strongly, would be a severe understatement, and as a result, it’s easily my choice to win this week.

Debbie Does Dagon
Jul 8, 2005





MacheteZombie posted:

It starts off really strong but once the dude blows his crotch off peeing on an electric fence it's pretty downhill

This sentence is just

Debbie Does Dagon
Jul 8, 2005





Franchescanado posted:

I'm voting Silver Bullets, which is more deserving of analysis, but this post grew larger than I thought, so I will do another post on that.

I'll look forward to it that was an excellent post to start the year with

Debbie Does Dagon
Jul 8, 2005





Week 2 Bracketology Streams!
Only on the CineD Discord

All times are in EST and may not reflect reality.



Saturday, January 9th

1900 Corona Zombies
2010 I Stand Alone
2205 The Bloodstained Butterfly



Monday, January 11th

1900 The Happening
2040 The Red Queen Kills Seven Times
2230 Under the Skin

Debbie Does Dagon
Jul 8, 2005





BisonDollah posted:

Is there anything worse than film directors that think they're funny? Charles Band is agonisingly uncool and bad. Corona Zombies is so monumentally lazy I want to scream.

That's a shame. I flicked through the film readying it for streaming, and it looked quite fun, lazy of course, but fun.

Debbie Does Dagon
Jul 8, 2005





Maybe that's the push I need to finally watch Anti-Christ, if someone showed me Possession or Audition on a first date they'd definitely come away with some hot hand-holding action, maybe I'd even show them my ankle

Debbie Does Dagon
Jul 8, 2005





There are many films to get through this week, so allow me to attempt to bull rush through them, starting with the bad, Corona Zombies. I don't think I hated this movie as much as I expected, but it's barely a film in all honesty. Corona Zombies attempts to stitch together the terribly racist and misogynistic Hell of the Living Dead, and the excellent and easily recommendable though trashy Zombies vs Hookers, with a few chunks of original footage of course. It doesn't work, it falls flat on its face, and it's not enjoyable. I will say however that I enjoyed the new footage of the Barbie character navigating her newfound plague-filled dystopia, and whiling away her time by engaging in such activities as showering with her clothes on. It's just not enough however, and what there is I didn't want.

Continuing with the bad, let's skip straight to The Happening, which is M. Night Shyamalan's Birdemic, complete with a clunky and barely-coherent environmental narrative, awful stilted dialogue, plot beats that go nowhere, and zero character development, unless you count being pregnant or dead a development. Why tiramisu, why hotdogs, why is Marky Mark harassing a poor woman as her daughter commits suicide over the phone, and why hasn't he apologised for being a huge racist?

The middling tier is the Giallo tier for me, I'm not a fan of their focus on twisty turny procedural plots, and neither of these films disabused me of that prejudice, unfortunately. The worse of the two was The Bloodstained Butterflies and not necessarily for any fault of the film itself, I'm sure for the target audience it represents a taught intellectual thriller, but it just didn't engage me at all. I found my attention embarrassingly drifting to anything other than the screen. Garbage Baby's stream intro was far superior in every way, imho. Then we have The Red Queen Kills Seven Times which is a lot more fun and vibrant and dynamic, including Satanic babies, beautiful Italian fashions, and a few cute set-pieces, but nothing that lit my world on fire in particular.

On to my winners for the week, for me it was the easiest choice in the world to choose I Stand Alone and Under the Skin, two remarkably similar yet quite distinctly unique character studies, which both allow their subjects to slowly reveal themselves, but in a way that feels breathtakingly and heart-wrenchingly natural, especially in the case of UtS, despite its subject not being of a terrestrial origin.

To narrow in on a few previously mentioned issues, hopefully without labouring them too much, I would like to address the two major criticisms of both films. Firstly, that UtS is boring, I did not find this to be the case at all, whatsoever. UtS is easily the most engaging film not only of the week but of the tournament so far. While it is absolutely true that the film allows events to occur at a pace that is perhaps sub-break-neck speed, I feel like this is an absolutely justified creative choice due to the nature of Scarlet Johanson's character. She plays a character who is specifically designed for one function, and that is as a predator, and all of the first act choices engage with this stalking behaviour in a natural and yet uncanny, and often deeply disturbing way. Her then slow pivot to embracing a humanity that she cannot fully grasp is masterfully depicted in small moments, like, yes, eating cake. The point however is not to be mundane for the sake of mundanity, but to actually dig into the granular difficulties of adjusting to a life that is not meant for us. For me, it was rich, it has texture, it was compelling, it was nuanced, and it broke me in ways no other film has so far in the tournament, with the possible exception of...

I Stand Alone seems to suffer mainly from the accusation that it is directionlessly abrasive. I am eagerly awaiting Peacoffee's post exploring why ISA is actually a film of great depth exploring the psychology of the wandering minstrel chud, playing his internal droning bile dirge of the middle-aged narcissistic male ego (Yes, I will be calling people out and giving them homework, welcome to the glorious new regime) I would like to offer a different perspective though, that emotional impact is sometimes a good in its own right, and does not need a grander point.

On Letterboxd I gave ISA 5/5 stars, and what really pushed me towards that pinnacle score was that final act, and how it was simultaneously playful and yet terrifically brutal. Throughout the film Noe presents us with a character with perhaps some qualities we as the audience can sympathise with, such as the inability to hold down work, and the anxieties of dealing with family pressures. Then this potentially identifiable person is twisted at every moment to reveal an even more deeply reprehensible visage. The final hug absolutely captures all of this, turning what begins as a warm moment of potential reconciliation, into something worrying, disturbing, and then abysmally earth-shattering, and with only a few small gestures, and a few too many eager rubs. It's little moments of effortless visual storytelling like this that make cinema my absolute preferred medium, and Noe is a clear master of them.

Debbie Does Dagon
Jul 8, 2005





The Happening is good for a comedic group hate-watch, but I'm not sure it actually works at all as an intentional comedy. It's not even at the level of sensible chuckles without the audience making their own fun.

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Debbie Does Dagon
Jul 8, 2005





On Saturday at 2030 EST there will be a charity stream on the Scream Stream Discord benefitting the National Coalition Against Domestic Violence, as such, I will be moving my Bracketology streams to Friday and Monday. I hope people will stop along on Friday, as it will be an extra special stream for me, and I also hope everyone able to will also give generously to this worthy cause.

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