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Phobophilia
Apr 26, 2008

by Hand Knit

Conspiratiorist posted:

Yeah, the Beast Titan in particular, but at least they looked better than WIT's CGI Colossal.

Loved Zeke's "Huh?!" as he realized he was about to get owned.

After what Levi did to him at the end of S3, it's clear that while Zeke loves to dish it out, he really can't take it.

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Phobophilia
Apr 26, 2008

by Hand Knit

Maera Sior posted:

...As stated by an Eldian posing as a Marleyan in their military police. Clearly their system has some flaws.

Total speculation, I don't think this was ever addressed in the manga, but maybe shifters are special and can suppress the uncontrollable titanification of bodily fluids that regular people with Eldian factor undergo.

Phobophilia
Apr 26, 2008

by Hand Knit

chiasaur11 posted:

Kruger actually mentions that he had an Eldian doctor fake his blood tests. The lengths he had to go to in staying hidden don't mean that there's no Eldians going unknown, but it does suggest that they're rare, and generally people who make serious efforts to ensure nobody finds out.

poo poo totally forgot about that part

Phobophilia
Apr 26, 2008

by Hand Knit
They'd probably want to, but I'm not even sure that's possible. There's just no room for some kind of feature movie length side story that you could jury rig up, at least not one that fits with the post-basement themes of the manga. Every other artist's interpretation of the original conceit of the series has been pure fanfiction, leaning into the first season's lie that the setting is post-apocalyptic.

I don't know why Isayama allowed these spin-offs to occur, when he has been very willing to put his foot down on adapting past season 2 until more manga had been written. Maybe he was fine with letting other people play with his product and make their own money off him, while he considered the manga and anime the canon experience.

Phobophilia
Apr 26, 2008

by Hand Knit
But is a movie of the final arc even marketable? Because the themes have diverged so far from the original premise, and entered some seriously weighty territory, and is emotionally exhausting, and so lacks catharsis, that it's not something you can just put out there to get asses in cinema seats.

Phobophilia
Apr 26, 2008

by Hand Knit
Let's just give them this, and say that the Warhammer titan can manipulate its titanmatter to make a mixture of rigid and flexible materials to make useful weapons and tools. This is fiction. The real issue is the Warhammer titan should be by all accounts unparalleled in its position. After all, humans dominated all other species even as early as back in the mesolithic because we can use tools. Giant humans can overpower regular humans by dint of pure size. But a giant human wielding giant tools? Well, that's basically unstoppable.

Phobophilia
Apr 26, 2008

by Hand Knit
I don't really like using the term "Eldian" is not a race, it simply means someone linked to Ymir via paths magic. It's not even genetic, it doesn't follow chromosomal inheritance, any child of an Eldian is an Eldian.

Non-noble Eldians, or descendants of Ymir, occupied a relatively privileged position in the Eldian Empire, able to live their lives far more freely at the expense of non-descendants of Ymir. And the cost of that was, they could, at any time for any reason, be compelled by their noble superiors to undergo ego death and be transformed into rampaging monsters that take the lives of everyone around them. So that aspect of the human condition hardly ever since the first Wall King started his project, the only difference is they are now also the new underclass. But that wasn't his concern, he considered everyone linked to Ymir tainted by their potential for titanification, and would happily see himself and all like him wiped out.

Phobophilia
Apr 26, 2008

by Hand Knit

Gaj posted:

Think of it like mitochondrial DNA, like Parasite Eve. It makes a lot more sense then.

Perhaps, but mitochondrial DNA is heritable from the mother. Meanwhile, on the assumption that the history written by victims of the Eldian empire weren't pure lies, one of the crimes of the Eldian Empire was forced births in order to swell the numbers of Ymir subjects, who could presumably be used as titan soldiers in the Eldian army for the benefit of the Eldian elites.

Ergo, the titan factor can be passed on both father or mother to child, aka does not follow any conventional rules of heritability.

Phobophilia
Apr 26, 2008

by Hand Knit
It's kind of a trope in peaceful societies that if only people saw the horrors of war they would not repeat it. When in fact, people who have been traumatized in war constantly seek to recapitulate it and disburse it onto others. The Friekorp, Hitler, the Nazis, were WW1 veterans who wanted to relitigate a new war. WW2 veterans were the ones who were constantly escalating during the cold war and intervening in post-colonial conflicts. Vietnam vets pushed for the Iraq/Afghanistan war. And now, the people who massacred civilians in Iraq and Afghanistan constantly appear on TV and write best selling books.

Phobophilia
Apr 26, 2008

by Hand Knit
Gabi basically reflects everything deranged about Eren, except she was introduced second. Also she has always been really good at what she does.

Phobophilia
Apr 26, 2008

by Hand Knit
It is worth noting that the nationalism and fascism depicted in AoT is much more old-fashioned, centered around spurring on your nation to go out and conquer new territories and in a glorious frenzy of violence. Rather than the neofascism post-2016, which is somewhat more isolationist and centered around "cleansing" your existing empire and territories of undesirables and moochers so that your nation can be made Great Again (not that conquest is anathema in the latter).

Phobophilia
Apr 26, 2008

by Hand Knit
BTW I don't blame some antifascists for being mad at AoT, because alot of people with an even poorer grasp of history and storytelling and implications are loving cheering on Eren and the Yaegerists

Phobophilia
Apr 26, 2008

by Hand Knit

teagone posted:

The radicalization of Floch is fascinating. I wonder what he'd say if you'd ask him about Erwin now.

Floch is just absolutely giddy with glee that he's no longer just some nameless grunt, but someone who's present when the shots are called, knows who gets to live and die. He has some powerful new friends and he wants people to know that.

Phobophilia
Apr 26, 2008

by Hand Knit

Suds McBoo posted:

Ep. 15: Levi really should've seen that coming. Hopefully not RIP.

Levi thought Zeke a coward who'd go to his grave whimpering and pissing himself. He thought Zeke wouldn't have the guts. Of course, he would have been wrong either way, because a coward would sooner blow themselves up to end the suffering. But despite that, Levi was willing to take the risk, Zeke's spinal fluid was simply far too valuable.

Phobophilia
Apr 26, 2008

by Hand Knit
the only truly anti-troop anime is b the beginning, where all returnee veteran mercenaries from wars of imperial intervention are hideous serial killers that terrorize their homelands

Phobophilia
Apr 26, 2008

by Hand Knit

Suds McBoo posted:

Ending a season mid-battle should be illegal. :argh:

I will just say this: the people who have been adapting this series has had multiple opportunities to make even nastier cliffhangers. Like imagine if Eren's key not working on the basement door was an episode cliffhanger. Similarly, they could have adapted this series for even more brutal cliffhangers.

Phobophilia
Apr 26, 2008

by Hand Knit

Turin Turambar posted:

So every fiction with zombies support the fascist ideology, gotcha.

I was blind before, now I can see.

Regrettably, often, yes. Zombies started out as the slave's fear of being worked beyond death. Romero took it and turned it into horror of being consumed by white consumer culture. Then white consumer culture took zombies and turned it into fear of the race war.

Phobophilia
Apr 26, 2008

by Hand Knit
1700s world population is 600 million.

600 thousand isn't unreasonable considering that settled states pre 0 BCE were throwing around tens of thousands of soldiers in wars. And those were trained combatants, while titan soldiers can be recruited from anyone in your population.

Phobophilia
Apr 26, 2008

by Hand Knit

chiasaur11 posted:

I'd imagine that the rule was looser under the Eldian kings. Being able to mind control your citizens at will means that you don't have to bother with lesser methods of control. Basically, regular Eldians were completely loyal, if they wanted to be or not, while the other members of the nine, non-subjects, and the Ackermen had to be controlled the old fashioned way.

More horrific than Marleyian rule in theory, but less oppressive in day to day practice.

This hits the realm of speculation rather than hard facts, but my impression is that from mid-way through the Eldian empire's existence, most of the core's population was made up of Subjects of Ymir, making up a soldier caste who can be tapped by the ruling class at any time for war. They weren't mistreated per se, but the fact that you can be stripped of your will at any time and turned into a mindless slave soldier is de facto death. In return they gained a number of privileges over people who weren't Subjects, so to again enforce discrimination between Subjects of Ymir and subjects of the Eldian empire who supplied more general wealth and labor.

One of the historical crimes of the Eldian empire was forced breeding of war captives by Subjects of Ymir to generate more Subjects who can be made into even more slave soldiers.

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Phobophilia
Apr 26, 2008

by Hand Knit
It's kind of a screwup on Hange's part to not put Armin through a crash course in leadership and promote him so he develops command experience and a reputation among the troops. But I suppose that with the 13 year time limit, Hange was looking a bit too far ahead and neglecting his short term potential.

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