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If Poe can just fly through shields and tear up 20 turrets why not just fly under it and shoot the giant cannons instead.
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Up Circle posted:like almost every element of the sequels, none of this is described or even implied at any point in the entire 5 minutes those stupid bombers got in the movie I feel like it actually IS implied very strongly because those thoughts were going through my head as I watched what was happening the first time in the theater. The ships, characters, events and the context they happen in in that scene made it all seem very straightforward to me.
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LRADIKAL posted:High altitude bombers were, at the start of their service, some of the fastest planes in the sky Yeah there was a period there in the 30's (when a lot of these planes were on the drawing board) where the ongoing design of planes and engines just happened to be at a point where large multi-engine design often had the edge in speed over fighters which were still biplanes. Then the single-wing, all metal classic monoplane fighter becomes practical and welp  Also, it's not just about outpacing the fighter. Pre radar, a fast bomber formation would be extremely hard to intercept. By the time you've spotted them and scrambled your intercepters and they've clawed their way up to the bombers altitude they've already hit their target or gotten clean away. That was a big part of "The bomber will always get through" thinking of the time. In fact even in WW2 Mosquito bombers flew so high and fast that even with radar, the Luftwaffe often couldn't even attempt an intercept.
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Jul 25, 2021 11:54
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If Last Jedi had started with swarms of fast nimble space Mosquitoes flying about, that would have been so cool. Or some sort of dive bomber - however that might actually work with spaceships. They could even have done the stuka scream. Anything but the sitting duck that was the starfortress.
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Jul 25, 2021 14:32
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I was willing to overlook everything in TLJ's dogshit space combat and then fuckin JJ Abrams has the suicide lightspeed jump attack work again in Rise of the Skywalker even after saying they can't use it and I've never been more irrationally irritated by a movie.
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I can kinda buy the hyperspace ram if it's set up as being too situational and risky to try even before you take the fact it's a suicide manoeuvre into account:
Now the hyperspace skipping thing? THAT was bullshit.
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Megillah Gorilla posted:Or some sort of dive bomber - however that might actually work with spaceships. They could even have done the stuka scream. Need a good space stuka? Why not Y-Wing? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vXysTgaxr_8 Also a good example of why conducting air raids and landing operations simultaneously is a bad idea.
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shoutout to mobile suit gundam: char's counter-attack which is essentially the space version of waterloo(1970)
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Is Axis the Young and Middle Guard in this analogy?
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Stairmaster posted:shoutout to mobile suit gundam: char's counter-attack which is essentially the space version of waterloo(1970) I watched the first 3 Gundamn movies on Netflix and is that the next movie I should watch?
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twistedmentat posted:I watched the first 3 Gundamn movies on Netflix and is that the next movie I should watch? Short answer, of the stuff that's available on Netflix, yes. Just keep in mind there are two full length series that aired and are set between the time of original series/movies and Char's Counterattack, Zeta Gundam and ZZ. The former is the more relevant of the two because it has Amuro and Char fighting on the same side of what is in part an Earth Federation civil war, which eventually involves the first Neo Zeon movement based on the asteroid Axis. You don't need to know all the details of those shows to understand or enjoy CCA, but they are referenced a little bit and the movie was basically intended to be a cap to all of that. That said, if you watched the original trilogy, the UC OVAs are worth checking out for more of that setting, particularly Gundam 0080 which is only 6 episodes. fartknocker fucked around with this message at 01:35 on Aug 15, 2021 |
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fartknocker posted:Short answer, of the stuff that's available on Netflix, yes. Cool, I think Crunchy Roll has a bunch of Universal Century Gundam stuff. At least now when ever i get back to anime north I can pick up Gunpla and not feel like a poser. Also watching Eva 4, right after watching the 3rd movie showed just how much Eva borrows from it. I swear some of the music is lifted right from Gundam.
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Megillah Gorilla posted:I like the idea of the starfortress. But maybe don't make it just a hollow cylinder with tissue paper thin walls. B-17s (Flying Fortress) and other World War II heavy bombers were just hollow cylinders with tissue paper thin walls. 
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 See all that stuff in there, Homer? That's why your
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I guess it's not just the emptiness, but the insane amount of bombs bulking out the size of the vehicle because whoever designed it has no sense of scale. And it doesn't help that in the movie, they're not very impressive and only barely managed to do the job.
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Sep 22, 2021 17:59
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Also all the top middle and tail bits which are just empty superstructure, apparently. Everything about those things were stupid.
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Yes, it's like a lava lamp.
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They were definitely designed along the "WWII in space" themes that Lucas loves*, but yeah, none of the fuselage even needs to be there. Chuck a cockpit on the bomb section, which is also where the engines are, and that's apparently all you need. * and I do too, not gonna lie. I really think that with just a bit more work, the starfortress could have been iconic.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8weNVHt3s44 Popped into my feed, very fun.
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PittTheElder posted:Also all the top middle and tail bits which are just empty superstructure, apparently. Everything about those things were stupid. Yeah for Star Wars ships you need to own the "space plane" design, or go full hog with something like a tie fighter or B-Wing.
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Megillah Gorilla posted:They were definitely designed along the "WWII in space" themes that Lucas loves*, but yeah, none of the fuselage even needs to be there. Various bits of the fandom have been discussing this for a while. This one pops to mind: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=36o0F9H9bhU
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The video brings up a lot of good points, and outlines precisely why the bomber, as designed in the movies, doesn't work. (and just look at that thumbnail, the proportions of it are just wrong) However, I can think of a use for it as it stands - bombing surface targets from extreme altitude, or any other target which can't fire back. Pretty much how the Allied bomber swarms at the end of WWII worked, when they would have up to a thousand bombers with fighter escorts fly over their targets and utterly annihilate them because the enemy had simply no way of either returning fire or whittling down their numbers by any appreciable amount. The video did bring up the use of missiles for the "glass cannon" version, but you really don't see missile frigates in Star Wars. I've seen a few fan designs, like Ansel Hsaio's Missile Cruiser which is literally just a star destroyed with the middle section replaced with a ring full of missiles. 
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Star Wars ships make no sense— I’ve never known why so much fan thought is put into things that obviously the artists and designers only prioritized as “make look cool and/or trademarkable.” At least something like Farscape properly waves it’s hands in the air and says “shh, shh, don’t even worry about it.” It’s why something like the ships of the Expanse are an outlier to treasure and are unfortunately taken for granted too quickly without realizing.
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They make sense in-universe and have a surprisingly consistent design language. Yes, it's mostly the "rule of cool" but that's 99.999% of all fictional designs. Like the Expanse. They may be more based on actual physics, but the series still has its own magical bullshit space tech. Also, all the guns on the ships face the wrong way https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gfW8hP3LZJ4
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Mostly Star Wars operates on some kind of pseudo-WW2 naval air force kinda deal. Smaller craft need wings or some kind of outrigger techno-bits to maneuver because they're planes, bigger craft are some kind of boat, with most of their thruster technology on the back and slowly drifting relative to smaller stuff. Not banking to the side much. Small craft are somehow reliant on ground bases or carriers. Engagements have to happen within visual range, there's not really any long-distance guided missiles. You can add new logistical elements into individual battles, but it helps to define whatever new rules are happening to the audience if it's relevant. The Starfortress kinda breaks from all of that, because whoever designed it doesn't really know how bombers work, both carrying an insane amount of bombs and the bombs dropping straight down and not maintaining any inertia from the bomber. The whole scene is framed weirdly too, since all the characters are arguing whether what they're doing is terrible or not so the characters' noble deaths seem like maybe they're just stupidly killing themselves, and all the closeups on the starfortresses make them seem like they're just stood still in space, guns not firing, not even trying to do anything, blowing up at the slightest touch, and if they're supposed to seem like terrible vehicles, it's just an annoying and frustrating scene to watch, and if they're supposed to seem good at all, that's not what's conveyed. And that sets the tone for the rest of the movie. Lemniscate Blue posted:Various bits of the fandom have been discussing this for a while. This one pops to mind: There's a whole lot of little fanmade spacebattle shorts on youtube, although a lot of them don't really do much to frame a narrative to the battle or get hyperactive with John Williams clips. I like this one. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lkgyCrJVMSI Although honestly, I kinda really want to see someone put together clips of like ships docking or going in for maintenance. Especially with the group using EC Henry models that I know he rendered big elaborate hangar interiors for. I just really like thinking about the logistical side of spaceships that people often don't bother with.
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SlothfulCobra posted:
Funny you mention wanting to see EC Henry models with their hangars used: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5lvp92gRV8E
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halokiller posted:I still get hyped with some of the battles in The Legend of the Galactic Heroes even though it's the Crimean War BUT IN SPACE and actual tactics are something like from the Battle of Trafalgar. I feel like LOGH is basically the pinnacle of "Milhist IN SPACE!", what with the long running campaigns and the narrator and/or characters listing troop and casualty numbers for the various campaigns. I would love a good remake, I'm bummed that Neue Thesis just fell flat for me on every level.
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A pretty cool spacebattle. In context, it was just Professor Xavier in X-Men slowly losing his mind and having weird hallucinations as his alien soulmate Lilandra approached Earth looking for help in her war against her brother D'ken. In the 90s cartoon there was a more elaborate sequence that I can't find any linkable youtube clips of, but it more clearly portrayed the lil' bug ships more clearly fighting a retreating battle. They'd be on the run but constantly turn around and sally forth against the larger cross-crescent ships, managing to outmaneuver them and fight them back, even making them crash against their motherships, but it all fell apart when the motherships started firing great big beams that trapped the bug ships in bubbles and drained them of power. It was really a cool thing to see. This here is just a beautiful spread with a nice balance of colors and some stunning explosion effects. The size difference between vessels is a little less clear, but definitely Lilandra's bug ships were outmatched. Chris Claremont wrote the monologue, but the art is the work of Dave Cockrum, who was pretty into the idea of space operas. He got his start working on DC's Legion of Superheroes (a team set in the distant future made up of aliens from different planets), and he redesigned the rebooted 1975 X-Men partially based off of plans for Legion of Superheroes. He created the Starjammers (who would be Lilandra's allies in claiming her space throne) right before leaving Marvel and went on to create a short series called the "Futurians" about another team of aliens in space. He was a big space guy, and that shows here.
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Megillah Gorilla posted:Also, all the guns on the ships face the wrong way The way that they fart missiles out of tubes means that the way they face doesn't really matter, and any other weapon will come in to play long after you've finished your braking burn.
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I loving love how Freespace 2 doesn't give you anywhere near the whole story. You're just a pilot. There are clearly political interests at play and command knows things you don't and won't because, yeah, you're a pilot. And that's it. gently caress you, blow that up for us, and no we won't tell you all the important things that are hinted at juuuust enough to make you wonder at what you aren't being told. Also, yeah, the narration as things get more hosed and its clear everything is terrible without actually telling you that is amazing. The briefings are so well done. I'm going to to replay it now. Thanks.
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I have never played free space. Does it still hold up or are there mods for the game?
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I think it holds up fine, but it takes a lot to learn to play those games since it's a whole genre that's mostly dead these days. I think you need to pick up a joystick to play them properly, and you sort of have to develop the right muscle memory to get used to that.
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FS2 graphics are dated, but the gameplay still holds up pretty well. And there are a few mods out there that are very high quality it may as well be FS3. (because the real FS3 is never happening)
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Ravenfood posted:I loving love how Freespace 2 doesn't give you anywhere near the whole story. You're just a pilot. There are clearly political interests at play and command knows things you don't and won't because, yeah, you're a pilot. And that's it. gently caress you, blow that up for us, and no we won't tell you all the important things that are hinted at juuuust enough to make you wonder at what you aren't being told. Also, yeah, the narration as things get more hosed and its clear everything is terrible without actually telling you that is amazing. The briefings are so well done. there was one bit of awkward writing I remember. something about the 'heavy Vasudan presence on Vasuda Prime"... you mean their home planet is heavily populated? wow.
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Tiger Crazy posted:I have never played free space. Does it still hold up or are there mods for the game? YES HELLO Freespace 2 is one of my absolute favourite games and it definitely holds up. What you wanna do is buy like the GOG version or whatever and then download Knossos, an all-in-one launcher/downloader that'll let you get everything you need pretty painlessly. For pretty graphics, you'll want to get the MediaVPs which I think Knossos prompts you to install by default. Then you might want to actually get FSPort and play it first, since it's the entire first game ported over to the second. FS2 might be legendary, but it's predecessor is still really good. I have only ever played the games on KBAM and frankly I believe that's how most people do. 
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You also don't get to deal with driver issues with an ancient HOTAS (like my Saitek X52) and Windows 10/11 
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https://twitter.com/open_sketchbook/status/1571518936314941441
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A greater honor has never been bestowed
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Swiss Knight posted:I can shed light on a few things here. I'm not a sex monster but I doubt I'd admit if I were. Larissa was supposed to be the "CEO" of Templin and in charge of all the finances, so she essentially paid herself, nobody was screwing her out of money. And we've actually done more collaborations with other channels in the last year than ever before. It's mostly just streams and such though, as we wanted to get Templin back on track before doing any more video swaps or whatever. Plus, the way our videos are edited, it's a giant pain in the rear end to do collabs. A lot easier for Star Wars Explained and I to just have fake arguments on Twitter. What about when I got chased off your discord by Fascists and Alt Righters?
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