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PHIZ KALIFA
Dec 21, 2011
ABS THUNDERSKULL.

element: thunderbolts.

steed: a thunderbolt.

slogan/motto: "gonna clap them cheeks like a Thunderskull."


FactsAreUseless posted:

The consequences for being made fun of on Something Awful are very minor. Lots of us have done and said ridiculous poo poo, and people are going to make fun of that. If being mocked on SA is the worst thing happening to you, you don't have real problems. And if you do have real problems, getting made fun of doesn't exacerbate them. This isn't Twitter or Twitch or Facebook, people don't have your real name and they aren't going to track you down and swat you. Just laugh at yourself. When you can't laugh at yourself it starts making you crazy.

e: lmao this av
quoting for emphasis

during the furry thing, when i wouldn't concede the point that ageplay is pedopelia, an incensed group of babyfurs printed out diaper porn on a lazer jet printer then mailed it to my dad's office.

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Droyer
Oct 9, 2012



Athanatos posted:

Yes, anything over a day has to be approved by an admin.

In this instance, I asked the Mods what the deal was, we had a conversation, some disagreements, but in the end I tend to rely on Mod decisions over mine. They know their forums better than me.

I don't say that to double down on anything, just explain how it came to be. I personally feel like a long probation would have been a good go to here, and said as such, but I'm not the end all be all decision maker. Other Mods and Admins felt different.


I do think you can beat a dead horse. At some point if you are just running into a place to dunk on some moron (even if the moron deserves it), it just gets loving old.

So what I'm getting from this post is that admin oversight doesn't exist in practice, in which case i move to abolish it entirely since it's clearly completely useless.

Mel Mudkiper
Jan 19, 2012

I think this is a pretty good draft class overall. It's really shaping up that way because of the water types.


smarxist posted:

I don't give a gently caress, I told arf I didn't give a gently caress as soon as he started posting the post back at me, I've also never reported anyone for anything except the user who tried to accuse me of being a sex pest out of nowhere

YOU'RE upset you can't poo poo up another forum with impunity or that others aren't joining in to your weird grudge bullshit. the staff at CSPAM is over it, which means the posters probably are as well, post the dumb thing at each other in your own spaces and piss and cum over it all you want but you're not going to make anyone else care, least of all me

you don't get to roll in and be like "isn't making fun of me way more embarrassing than the embarrassing thing I did?" and also act like its all water off your back

also why is it that every time someone says anything negative about CSPAM they are always part of some invasion force. I have never posted in FYAD nor CSPAM I just find your subforum and its culture a deeply embarrassing cancer on the rest of SA.

(USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)

(USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)

TheSlutPit
Dec 26, 2009



The problem for me here is that CSPAM isn't D&D--it is generally a place where people openly flame and make fun of other posters for thinking or posting stupid things. If someone were to go into the CSPAM covid thread talking about how everyone worrying about it was overreacting they would (rightly) get mocked and dogpiled. This seems like weirdly selective enforcement of rules based on who 'normally posts there.' Like, oh that guy, you can't make fun of him becasue he has lots of posts in the succ thread, and you DEFINITELY can't make fun of him if you have less than X posts in the subforum. It seems to me like the policy of punishing non-regulars more harshly just creates more forums insularity and discourages new posters/lurkers. I totally get posters going to bat for their friends but it sucks to see mods do it under the pretext of enforcing the forum rules.

phasmid
Jan 16, 2015

Booty Shaker
SILENT MAJORITY


Bans should be reversed posthaste.

Homeless Friend
Jul 16, 2007


Telsa Cola posted:

It kinda seems odd to me as a somewhat C-Spam outsider that there has been very little actual defense of the bans themselves, and more defense of "Well, they deserved punishment of somekind".

Really it's just a weird application, the behavior has been tacitly not heavily punished. Might as well just give em a week, say, in thread, 'I'm tired of the poo poo, goons have run this poo poo into the ground, idgaf next person is banned, smarxist is my friend' etc etc and then just blown whoever away didn't listen.

Mods don't understand how to be arbitrary right lol

Daikatana Ritsu
Aug 1, 2008



Mel Mudkiper posted:

you don't get to roll in and be like "isn't making fun of me way more embarrassing than the embarrassing thing I did?" and also act like its all water off your back

also why is it that every time someone says anything negative about CSPAM they are always part of some invasion force. I have never posted in FYAD nor CSPAM I just find your subforum and its culture a deeply embarrassing cancer on the rest of SA.

(USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)

(USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)

Okay I see how things are going to shake out from now on, lol. Good job once again mods.

ass cobra
May 28, 2004



Undo the bans, ban the poster who posted a banme

little munchkin
Aug 15, 2010


Mel Mudkiper posted:

you don't get to roll in and be like "isn't making fun of me way more embarrassing than the embarrassing thing I did?" and also act like its all water off your back

also why is it that every time someone says anything negative about CSPAM they are always part of some invasion force. I have never posted in FYAD nor CSPAM I just find your subforum and its culture a deeply embarrassing cancer on the rest of SA.

(USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)

(USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)

lol

Kongming
Aug 30, 2005



phasmid posted:

Bans should be reversed posthaste.

It's really not that hard. Why can't the staff of this website just admit when they make a mistake.

EasilyConfused
Nov 21, 2009


littleorv posted:

Frankly I think we should defund the cspam mod team and reallocate those resources in order to obtain more effective and consistent moderation. It is pretty clear that the bans are in place because of preconceived biases that are endemic to the current cspam organizational structure. So I think starting from scratch would be very beneficial for the forum and the community as a whole.




Mel Mudkiper posted:

also why is it that every time someone says anything negative about CSPAM they are always part of some invasion force. I have never posted in FYAD nor CSPAM I just find your subforum and its culture a deeply embarrassing cancer on the rest of SA.

Giga Gaia
May 2, 2006

360 kickflip to... Meteo?!

can one of the blue star people just say 'the bans are fail'? like without 8 paragraphs of obtuse garbage? tyia

Tribladeofchaos
Jul 2, 2008

IT'S SHOWTIME!



Seriously reverse the bans and tell us exactly WHY you went from 0 to 100 on their punishment. It’s not hard!

Aruan
Nov 4, 2020



If this is the new standard, I assume referencing Gro**ha*s or Car* (censored to protect poster identity) is now bannable, too? Or is it just smarxist? Its the same issue that's come up earlier - whats the actual forum rule on helldumping? Or is it poster beware?

Aruan fucked around with this message at 19:58 on Dec 6, 2020

HolePisser1982
Nov 3, 2002



yea ok posted:

why was that poo poo even worth a “long probe”? it was in a dogshit garbage thread making fun of the offsite banme guy after saying weird funny poo poo about people who post in fyad. cspam is a fyad-lite where you talk poo poo about government and the only rules are there are no rules cause anarchy reigns. why are people getting banned or even “longly probed” lol for reposting a post from this very same website and subforum? get a loving grip

it’s insane

Arrhythmia
Jul 22, 2011

keep on fightin'


Very bad bans. Please free my posting friend bloom and my posting acquaintance Hizke.

scary ghost dog
Aug 5, 2007



scary ghost dog posted:

I see. So when Athanatos used these words and phrases:


What they were doing was obscuring the amount of responsibility they had by indicating that they were outnumbered, instead of clearly being cowed into a bad decision by a mod with an axe to grind. Thank you for clarifying.

Can I get a mod or admin to comment on how an admin lied about the amount of input they received from their peers before making a ban decision so that they wouldn't be held responsible? Do we need admins that are so utterly unconcerned with precedent and consistency that they'll approve any ban they're browbeaten into? Should I be wondering if Squizzle has some kind of leverage over the admin team?

Up Circle
Apr 3, 2008


Aruan posted:

If this is the new standard, I assume referencing Gro**ha*s or Car* (censored to protect poster identity) is now bannable, too? Or is it just smarxist? Its the same issue that's come up earlier - whats the actual forum rule on helldumping? Or is it poster beware?

don't you dare bring up l--t-x

Bedlamdan
Apr 25, 2008


Basically my interpretation is that it's fine to make fun of anyone, except for mods, personal friends of mods, and Lowtax the wife-beater up until he beat one wife too many and we collectively decided it would be inconvenient to continue pretending to love him as much as we had previously.

phasmid
Jan 16, 2015

Booty Shaker
SILENT MAJORITY


Kongming posted:

It's really not that hard. Why can't the staff of this website just admit when they make a mistake.

It's a pretty tiresome shuffle.

Kagaya Homoraisan
Aug 28, 2019

Jugemu Jugemu
Gokou-no Surikire
Kaijarisuigyo-no
Suigyoumatsu Unraimatsu Furaimatsu
Kuunerutokoro-ni Sumutokoro
Yaburakouji-no Burakouji
Paipopaipo Paipo-no-Shuringan
Shuringan-no Gurindai
Gurindai-no Ponpokopii-no Ponpokona-no
Choukyumei-no Chousuke!


Athanatos posted:

Yes, anything over a day has to be approved by an admin.

In this instance, I asked the Mods what the deal was, we had a conversation, some disagreements, but in the end I tend to rely on Mod decisions over mine. They know their forums better than me.

I don't say that to double down on anything, just explain how it came to be. I personally feel like a long probation would have been a good go to here, and said as such, but I'm not the end all be all decision maker. Other Mods and Admins felt different.


I do think you can beat a dead horse. At some point if you are just running into a place to dunk on some moron (even if the moron deserves it), it just gets loving old.

this is chickenshit and we both know it. ill repeat my (anonymous but not anymore) criticism i shared in the survey: the biggest problem with qcs is that without staff accountability it doesnt function. at all. mods are never accountable because "well they know their subforum culture, i will defer to their judgement" or 'i will never force a mod to explain themselves in qcs thats dogpiling". so were supposed to bring it to admins. except admins are also not accountable because "they do good work all over the site" or "theyre really busy making the forums better" when the latter seems to be rubberstamping punishments. i would again like to repeat that the suggestion of pming staff doesnt even work because they are free to ignore those pms or blow them off with a non-answer. this is literally the only response ive gotten from any staff member on this website about my issues. including the "list of forums nazis" that i begged to have removed because it harmed my friends.

the mods refuse to even stand by their most basic rear end promise of "accusing site members of bigotry without proof is punishable". how do i know? check this out

smarxist posted:

also it's hilarious seeing the mod of the "safe minority forum" simp for a bunch of stupid bigots lmfao

get your loving poo poo together. the reason this problem keeps rearing its head is because you all have resolved to do absolutely loving nothing and hope it goes away. you cant even stand by the statement that youre not allowed to baselessly call people on here bigots but you want to pretend this forum is a safe and caring space lmfao.

Gone Fashing
Aug 4, 2004

KEEP POSTIN
I'M STILL LAFFIN


the posters of the most populated forum on the site have to be protected from being made fun of by the 30 people left who post jokes

buffalo all day
Mar 13, 2019



docbeard posted:

I think there's room for a conversation about when and how bans or other moderation actions are justified, certainly.

But I'm pretty sure "I am immune to moderation because I am here to make fun of someone" is never going to be forums policy

No one is arguing that anyone should be immune from moderation. No one said anything yesterday when crusty buttsack or whatever handed out probes.

Hell, I wouldn’t have said anything today if the cspam mods went and chain probed bloom for making fun of their friend. They tried to do that a few days ago to some fyad folks and no one made a fuss.

Specifically making it a ban and specifically trying to make it seem like a real offense (as opposed to being mean to their buddy) is what caused all this. So don’t argue something else.

Daikatana Ritsu
Aug 1, 2008



Kagaya Homoraisan posted:

the mods refuse to even stand by their most basic rear end promise of "accusing site members of bigotry without proof is punishable". how do i know? check this out


get your loving poo poo together. the reason this problem keeps rearing its head is because you all have resolved to do absolutely loving nothing and hope it goes away. you cant even stand by the statement that youre not allowed to baselessly call people on here bigots but you want to pretend this forum is a safe and caring space lmfao.

Sorry, by bringing up a direct example I'm afraid this post is Helldumping. and terrorism.

Peachfart
Jan 21, 2017



Kagaya Homoraisan posted:

this is chickenshit and we both know it. ill repeat my (anonymous but not anymore) criticism i shared in the survey: the biggest problem with qcs is that without staff accountability it doesnt function. at all. mods are never accountable because "well they know their subforum culture, i will defer to their judgement" or 'i will never force a mod to explain themselves in qcs thats dogpiling". so were supposed to bring it to admins. except admins are also not accountable because "they do good work all over the site" or "theyre really busy making the forums better" when the latter seems to be rubberstamping punishments. i would again like to repeat that the suggestion of pming staff doesnt even work because they are free to ignore those pms or blow them off with a non-answer. this is literally the only response ive gotten from any staff member on this website about my issues. including the "list of forums nazis" that i begged to have removed because it harmed my friends.

the mods refuse to even stand by their most basic rear end promise of "accusing site members of bigotry without proof is punishable". how do i know? check this out


get your loving poo poo together. the reason this problem keeps rearing its head is because you all have resolved to do absolutely loving nothing and hope it goes away. you cant even stand by the statement that youre not allowed to baselessly call people on here bigots but you want to pretend this forum is a safe and caring space lmfao.

This is a good post

littleorv
Jan 29, 2011



Look I'm going to say this as someone who has never posted in FYAD. These bans are clearly because of preconceived biases and in defense of one of the most cringe people that loving post on these forums. The admins should grow a loving spine and reject these bullshit ban reasons or just admit they don't really care without typing a paragraph of bullshit in an attempt to obscure that they don't care. It took at least a couple of days for the bans to hit right? Just tell the mod being persistent for the bans to gently caress off. Jesus Christ.

saint anime
Jul 28, 2020

by Fluffdaddy


Not gonna lie, seems like everyone wants to be able to make fun of that guy and if they cant do that they'd rather just have him not post here lol. Only people who give a poo poo about keeping him around are the mods..havent seen one person say one single good thing about him even tho he supposedly posts on the welcoming friend filled forum cspam


VVVVVV this guy a mod? lol, the pony avatar guy below me dismissing a sentiment a lot of ppl seem to share ?? wtf lol

Roth posted:

That is one horrendous post

saint anime fucked around with this message at 20:11 on Dec 6, 2020

Roth
Jul 9, 2016


Kagaya Homoraisan posted:

this is chickenshit and we both know it. ill repeat my (anonymous but not anymore) criticism i shared in the survey: the biggest problem with qcs is that without staff accountability it doesnt function. at all. mods are never accountable because "well they know their subforum culture, i will defer to their judgement" or 'i will never force a mod to explain themselves in qcs thats dogpiling". so were supposed to bring it to admins. except admins are also not accountable because "they do good work all over the site" or "theyre really busy making the forums better" when the latter seems to be rubberstamping punishments. i would again like to repeat that the suggestion of pming staff doesnt even work because they are free to ignore those pms or blow them off with a non-answer. this is literally the only response ive gotten from any staff member on this website about my issues. including the "list of forums nazis" that i begged to have removed because it harmed my friends.

the mods refuse to even stand by their most basic rear end promise of "accusing site members of bigotry without proof is punishable". how do i know? check this out


get your loving poo poo together. the reason this problem keeps rearing its head is because you all have resolved to do absolutely loving nothing and hope it goes away. you cant even stand by the statement that youre not allowed to baselessly call people on here bigots but you want to pretend this forum is a safe and caring space lmfao.

That is one horrendous post

Clawtopsy
Dec 17, 2009


the sowing & reaping meme cspam love but thus time for smarxist

Roth
Jul 9, 2016


scary ghost dog posted:

Can I get a mod or admin to comment on how an admin lied about the amount of input they received from their peers before making a ban decision so that they wouldn't be held responsible? Do we need admins that are so utterly unconcerned with precedent and consistency that they'll approve any ban they're browbeaten into? Should I be wondering if Squizzle has some kind of leverage over the admin team?

All I know is that it wasn't a conversation I saw, though I doubt it was anything so plainly heinous.

EasilyConfused
Nov 21, 2009


Roth posted:

That is one horrendous post

Shouldn't you probate yourself for shitposting in QCS now?

Even if it isn't a good post, you aren't contributing to the conversation by just making a jerkoff motion at someone.


nm, Roth clarified below.

EasilyConfused fucked around with this message at 20:28 on Dec 6, 2020

Afterbirth Aftermath
Aug 29, 2002


Athanatos posted:

Yes, anything over a day has to be approved by an admin.

In this instance, I asked the Mods what the deal was, we had a conversation, some disagreements, but in the end I tend to rely on Mod decisions over mine. They know their forums better than me.

I don't say that to double down on anything, just explain how it came to be. I personally feel like a long probation would have been a good go to here, and said as such, but I'm not the end all be all decision maker. Other Mods and Admins felt different.


I do think you can beat a dead horse. At some point if you are just running into a place to dunk on some moron (even if the moron deserves it), it just gets loving old.

You approved the Ban though? Don't approve a ban you don't agree with I would suggest. Let one of the majority Admins do it if they feel so strongly.

As an Admin you should feel free to tell a Mod the punishment is too harsh, and adjust accordingly if you need to push the button, or even just if you're the most likely to face the backlash here.

some plague rats
Jun 5, 2012



Roth posted:

That is one horrendous post

It's extremely accurate you worthless chump

flashman
Dec 16, 2003



Unclear whether or not it's the big post or the little post quoted inside.. I lean to the latter

scary ghost dog
Aug 5, 2007



Roth posted:

All I know is that it wasn't a conversation I saw, though I doubt it was anything so plainly heinous.

Then can I ask why Athanatos felt the need to lie about it? Can the responsible party please return to the thread in which they lied about their motivation and explain themselves?

phasmid
Jan 16, 2015

Booty Shaker
SILENT MAJORITY


flashman posted:

Unclear whether or not it's the big post or the little post quoted inside.. I lean to the latter

Yeah. One hopes.

Homeless Friend
Jul 16, 2007


saint anime posted:

Not gonna lie, seems like everyone wants to be able to make fun of that guy and if they cant do that they'd rather just have him not post here lol. Only people who give a poo poo about keeping him around are the mods..havent seen one person say one single good thing about him even tho he supposedly posts on the welcoming friend filled forum cspam

that's because they're not retards who post in QCS. Smarxist deal is simple. He makes photoshops. Content is king baby. Effort is protection.

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Roth
Jul 9, 2016


Crane Fist posted:

It's extremely accurate you worthless chump

What, that Fluffdaddy is simping for a "bigot" forum?

PHIZ KALIFA
Dec 21, 2011
ABS THUNDERSKULL.

element: thunderbolts.

steed: a thunderbolt.

slogan/motto: "gonna clap them cheeks like a Thunderskull."


i'm against whatever crane fist is for, just on principal at this point

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FactsAreUseless
Feb 16, 2011



Admins in general need to stop letting "mod consensus" or whatever push them around. There were times I should have pushed back against things I disagreed with, and I failed to do so because I'm a chump with poor social skills and no management experience. I regretted it every time, unsurprisingly. I should have just read a book on personnel management or whatever, and I hope the current admins will do so. If you think a decision is bad, say so. Even if everyone else in the mod forum agrees with it. At worst, you'll get an angry PM or something, and who cares about that? Learn from my mistakes, people.

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