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GotLag
Jul 17, 2005

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RCRTgtpC-Go
Two hours and twenty minutes long but if you watch it on Youtube it has links in the description to the beginning of each section

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GotLag
Jul 17, 2005

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If you've decided it's okay to burn hundreds of thousands of people to death does it really matter what type of bomb you use to do it?


The US government was trying to wrap up the war before the Soviets could get involved, but at the same time they refused to offer what the Japanese leadership wanted (and that they got in the end anyway) - assurance that they could surrender but keep the emperor. Why did they get so hung up on this? I'm not really convinced by the theory that it was based on popular domestic US opinion.

Acebuckeye13 posted:

Good and well-researched long-form videos dunking on bad opinions espoused by right-wingers typically, though he also posts his own *terrible* opinions on Twitter

I'm curious about these terrible opinions, because I am not aware of any.

GotLag
Jul 17, 2005

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Fangz posted:

Does it seem like the creator is aware of http://blog.nuclearsecrecy.com/2020/06/09/what-journalists-should-know-about-the-atomic-bombings/ or is it yet another discussion of the non-existent "decision" to drop the bomb.

That is covered, yes.

GotLag
Jul 17, 2005

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Here's Henry Stimson's diary from August 10, 1945:

quote:

There I read the messages. Japan accepted the Potsdam list of terms put out by the President 'with the understanding that the said declaration does not comprise any demand which prejudices the prerogatives of his majesty as a sovereign ruler'. It is curious that this was the very single point that I feared would make trouble. When the Potsdam conditions were drawn and left my office where they originated, they contained a provision which permitted the continuance of the dynasty with certain conditions. The President and [Sec. of State] Byrnes struck that out. They were not obdurate on it but thought they could arrange it in the necessary secret negotiations which would take place after any armistice. There has been a good deal of uninformed agitation against the Emperor in this country mostly by people who know no more about Japan than has been given them by Gilbert and Sullivan's 'Mikado', and I found today that curiously enough it had gotten deeply embedded in the minds of influential people in the State Department. Harry Hopkins [special advisor to Presidents Roosevelt and Truman] is a strong anti-Emperor man in spite of his usual good sense and so are Archibald MacLeish [Assistant Sec. of State for Public and Cultural Relations] and Dean Acheson [Assistant Sec. of State for Congressional Relations] - three very extraordinary men to take such a position.
...
This has been a pretty heavy day.
http://www.doug-long.com/stimsonx.htm

GotLag
Jul 17, 2005

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Fangz posted:

I don't see how that contradicts what I said.


There's a difference between "well things could have easily turned out differently" and waggling ones fingers and going "the US KNEW that this one little thing WOULD END THE WAR but THEY CHOSE NOT TO FOR MYSTERIOUS EVIL REASONS".

EDIT: The goal posts here seem to have shifted from "all but knew for certain" to "more than a vague idea". Well frankly if you look at the totality of US actions, putting aside the opinions of individuals who might have been correct, the US institutionally as a whole had rather less than a vague idea what it would take to end the war. That's why they were planning a shitload more nukes, for example.

You're the one who's injecting the attribution to EVIL and not a poor decision made for uncertain but probably stupid reasons

Shift the goal post out of your rear end.

GotLag
Jul 17, 2005

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If a nuke is just a really big, really expensive bomb that's never been tested in combat and isn't perceived by the world at large as being a war-ender, does anyone go to the trouble and expense of building a lot of them, especially after the big war has just finished?

GotLag
Jul 17, 2005

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bewbies posted:

remember during iteration 54 of the atomic attacks debate when some guy was arguing they should used bombers to drop food instead of bombs? that was cool

Butter not bombs

GotLag
Jul 17, 2005

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bewbies posted:

I'm still kind of amazed that out of nowhere prager U made the single best "causes of the civil war" video of all time

It's their exactly one correct video, which annoyingly prevents me from just saying that everything on that channel is bad and wrong.

GotLag
Jul 17, 2005

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Nenonen posted:

Interceptors, engine breakdowns, flak on the way. Would you take the mission?

Boredom?

GotLag
Jul 17, 2005

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Ensign Expendable posted:

Two is that HEAT jets decrease in effectiveness greatly if the projectile is spinning. There are two ways to go about correcting this, one is to make a rotating sleeve that engages with the rifling while the warhead stays still, the other is to just go smoothbore and stabilize the projectile with fins. Turns out fins are pretty good for stabilization, just as good as rifling, so kinetic penetrators also became finned.

Don't fins also necessitate a sub-calibre projectile? I can only assume this loss of diameter has less of a detrimental effect than the spinning would have.

GotLag
Jul 17, 2005

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Gnoman posted:

The last is oddballs - stuff that didn't fit neatly into any system. Heavy cannon for ground attack (such as the 75mm mounted on later B-25s), the long cannon experimentally mounted on the Me 262 to destroy a bomner with ine shot, stuff like that.

Another example of these was the autoloading 6-pdr/57 mm fitted to some Mosquitoes of Coastal Command for punching holes in surfaced U-boats

GotLag
Jul 17, 2005

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Alchenar posted:

The UK really worked hard to formalise and fix the casuality notification process during/in the wake of Afghanistan: https://www.gov.uk/guidance/joint-casualty-and-compassionate-centre-jccc

Which Afghanistan?

GotLag
Jul 17, 2005

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Milo and POTUS posted:

What happened to pilots that landed in switzerland? Imprisoned I guess? Did it happen to both sides ie could their be both axis and allied airmen in a swiss pow camp

Internees were held until the end of the war.

Mark Felton did a short video on the incidents between the US and the Swiss, and while it doesn't mention what happened to German personnel he does bring up the case of a plane forced down with advanced radar, that was destroyed under German supervision in exchange for a shipment of Me-109s:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FILxoQyKzDg

Jobbo_Fett posted:

Sure, you might still be imprisoned, but at least its not German jailors.

They could still be pretty unpleasant (one of the camps was run by a Swiss Nazi):
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wauwilermoos_internment_camp#Conditions,_human_rights_violations,_and_inspections

GotLag fucked around with this message at 07:17 on Jan 9, 2021

GotLag
Jul 17, 2005

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bewbies posted:

what's the best historical analogue to modern paratroopers

War elephants?

Edit: theoretically useful but expensive and able to be effectively countered

GotLag fucked around with this message at 17:11 on Jan 13, 2021

GotLag
Jul 17, 2005

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Stairmaster posted:

what if the mountains supply the water for over 3 billion people.

Pump CO2 into the atmosphere until they stop

GotLag
Jul 17, 2005

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Those laws also pre-date satellites.

GotLag
Jul 17, 2005

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Stalin? Can't think of any others.

GotLag
Jul 17, 2005

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Fangz posted:

That doesn't sound right. I mean I think it'll scale more poorly at that point, but making single big bombs vs lots of little ones was always an inefficient (in both ICBM payload mass, and use of fissile material) way to gently caress things up.

Blast radius increases in proportion to the cube root of the yield

GotLag
Jul 17, 2005

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Doesn't seem that different from the other open-topped vehicles of the era, like German or American half-tracks, or the Kangaroo turretless tanks

Edit: The Kangaroos didn't even have seats, just eight dudes awkwardly milling around in an empty turret well and trying not to stand on the drive shaft

GotLag fucked around with this message at 13:11 on Feb 17, 2021

GotLag
Jul 17, 2005

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Presumably mounted on a vertical surface at or below chest level

GotLag
Jul 17, 2005

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Tulip posted:

It's possible that the character order is weird because Japanese changed a lot since WWII but it looks like the characters are in the right order but individually upside down, since 軍事秘密 is "military secret" but afaik 密秘事軍 doesn't mean anything.

When you see a single row of Japanese text that appears to be in reverse order, it's because it's top-to-bottom, right-to-left, but wrapping after each character. Confused the gently caress out of me the first time I saw it on some stall banners at a festival.

GotLag
Jul 17, 2005

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bewbies posted:

PLA procurement is probably worse and certainly more corrupt than anything in the west despite a highly centralized system.

Are you sure?
https://www.military.com/daily-news/2014/12/18/congress-again-buys-abrams-tanks-the-army-doesnt-want.html

GotLag
Jul 17, 2005

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TooMuchAbstraction posted:

About 15 years ago I played a PS2 game called Warship Gunner 2, which is a highly historically accurate (:v:) naval combat game.

Seems legit to me:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xERigSvuovk&t=1688s

GotLag
Jul 17, 2005

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I don't know about TDs, but at the battle of Arracourt an outnumbered US force repulsed an attack by a German formation including a large number of Panthers.

GotLag
Jul 17, 2005

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xthetenth posted:

And the second movie is a moody thing dwelling on militarism and Japan's relation with it in the context of their involvement in intervention in Cambodia that's cool as hell.

It's beautiful.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r2sqdudEle4

GotLag
Jul 17, 2005

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Didn't they fire a shitload at Antwerp?

GotLag
Jul 17, 2005

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University makes you a joyless void and convinces you this is the mark of a sophisticate.

Trashy violent pulp is an appropriate and enjoyable medium for trashy violent characters.

GotLag
Jul 17, 2005

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It doesn't fit on the Aerogavin, so it's completely useless.

GotLag
Jul 17, 2005

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Tomn posted:

Hey, here's a silly pop culture history question.

There's a scene in the original Call of Duty during the battle of Stalingrad where the player is disembarked from a transport craft, handed an ammo clip, and told to follow someone else handed a rifle and to scrounge for weapons from dead guys to fight. Company of Heroes 2 also has a similar scene. Did this ever actually happen at Stalingrad or elsewhere as far as we can determine, or was that artistic license based on Soviet stereotypes?

Blame the garbage movie Enemy At The Gates

http://battlefield.ru/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=206&Itemid=108&lang=en

GotLag
Jul 17, 2005

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Nebakenezzer posted:

So I've gotten most of the way through this review but the author is starting into the whole "Atomic bombs as a message to the Soviets" myth

He doesn't say this.

GotLag
Jul 17, 2005

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FMguru posted:

A history professor at Syracuse posted a twitter thread following along with his efforts to read Gladwell's book on strategic bombing:

https://twitter.com/Alan_Allport/status/1395770118785966086

It goes about as well as you would imagine.

This is self-harm and I hope somebody has checked in on the poor bastard.

Edit:

Neophyte posted:

Even I, who has never been a plane-toucher, know that tailwinds do not help you take off. Did Gladwell just not proofread his own work?

We know Gladwell has touched at least one plane:
"I don’t remember much except being baffled as to who this Epstein guy was and why we were all on his plane."

GotLag fucked around with this message at 10:00 on May 24, 2021

GotLag
Jul 17, 2005

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Scratch Monkey posted:

Another fun thing on the New Jersey. They mark the spot on the bridge where Halsey had a tantrum and threw his hat down after he got that message from Nimitz asking where his task force was during the Battle of Leyte Gulf.

"The world wonders" is an amazing burn and I bet Nimitz wished he'd done it on purpose

GotLag
Jul 17, 2005

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Sanguinia posted:

My youtube recommends sent me a video today that was about how Germany could possibly have a coal shortage before and during the war when it was its most prolific natural resource, explaining that they had more than enough coal, the issue was that they didn't have the transportation infrastructure to move it all to areas of need because the German rail system was too overtaxed by passenger, freight and military demands after it was nationalized and nazi-fied so that its operations and staffing were handcuffed by ideological concerns.

I thought it was really interesting until it suddenly took a hard turn into a screed about how the real culprit in the whole debacle was... socialism! Centrally planned economics removing profit motive and market forces and other things "Wikipedia won't tell you," are what REALLY brought down the Nazi economy, and if you're not willing to see that despite the evidence you're just willfully blind! Which is when I noticed it was on a playlist with Sargon of Akkad videos and things with titles like "Why the Nazis were Leftists."

I really hate how Youtube has so much good history content but when you watch it you're inevitably fed right wing propagandist tripe masquerading as more good history content by the loving algorithm.

Who was this clown?

GotLag
Jul 17, 2005

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Sanguinia posted:

The channel is called TIK.

Hilarious excerpt from his About page: "FYI I neither support the far-left nor far-right, which is why some of my videos are getting plenty of dislikes, evil comments are being left on them, and why my email address is no longer available. If you have business enquires, I'm afraid you're out of luck."

Oh my god I looked up that video and it's amazing.

Here's TIK in the comments:

quote:

Then the capitalists would be forced to lower their prices or go hungry themselves. That's why under a capitalist economy you have deflation. But of course, we don't have a capitalist economy...

GotLag
Jul 17, 2005

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Taerkar posted:

That's s great way of doing things if you want to declare the side with the MG-42 the winner.

I believe Lindybeige's argument was that the Bren was superior to the MG-42, using the metric of "well the Allies won the war"

GotLag
Jul 17, 2005

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Merlin Ramirez!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PkuLj5uCgSk

GotLag
Jul 17, 2005

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Hammerstein posted:

Hitler had done the opposite and the more setbacks the Wehrmacht suffered in the east, the more he tried to obsessively micro-manage everything, crippling the efficiency of the German command structure.

Isn't this particular part a bit murky, and overstated by German officers after the war who blamed all their mistakes on the conveniently-dead Hitler?

GotLag
Jul 17, 2005

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FPyat posted:

Is anything that Victor Davis Hanson wrote good?

He wrote about a book about Trump that Trump really liked, if that counts

GotLag
Jul 17, 2005

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Abongination posted:

A random throught I had the other day that probably has no documented data associated with it.

Are there any recorded cases of people being killed by the machine gun fire bombers formations would put out during massed ww2 raids?

You'd have to be unlucky as hell but we hear cases of folks killed by celebratory gunfire every once in a while.

Anecdotal but I remember reading about an excited little boy watching a dogfight in the Battle of Britain and his mother yelling at him to come inside while holding her apron over her head to deflect falling brass

Edit: any stats on civilian deaths to "friendly" flak fragments falling back down?

GotLag fucked around with this message at 15:10 on Jun 13, 2021

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GotLag
Jul 17, 2005

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human garbage bag posted:

Is it true that until very recently in history, soldiers often fought in wars because they were uneducated and were manipulated into fighting?

How recently we talking?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93MBSOwK2fQ

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